Bingo.

Like what?? :poke: seriously, 100% agreed. But what does that have anything to do with a question ABOUT PERFORMANCE NUMBERS;)??

I agree it was more of a performance question but I think he left the door open for reliability, noise, and comfort. :walkingdog:

Definitely. I struggled trying to articulate briefly refinement vs performance, so I decided to just address the performance end of the question. It would definitely take more than a Scrooge mcduck swimming pool of money to REFINE any muscle car to gtr level. Probably Basically impossible. But With all those crazy great 'advancements' you mentioned, It sure doesn't take tons of engineering savvy nowadays to 'bolt together' a very capable old car. Thank goodness for me:rolleyes:

Bottom line, they may be way more refined, but no matter what anyone says, you can build a pt-ing car that will out brake, corner, and accelerate a gtr, it just takes desire and financial ability.

The bolded language demonstrates the difference between theory and actual experience.

Oh lord here we go. Feel free to educate me out of your own person extensive experience measuring the performance of gtr's with pt-ing cars. :catfight: the op obviously was just musing via a broad generalization type question anyway. Relax. :mock:

I feel like you have to address the reliability, noise, and comfort if you're answering that question in it's entirety - obviously you can build ANY car to outperform X, the question is at what cost/compromise?

A Camaro like Big Red would probably "beat" a GT-R in a question of pure performance, but it's really not "beating" the GT-R with all things considered.

At the end of the day I think the main point is that if you're trying to build a car to drive like a GT-R, you're better off just buying a GT-R.

I obviously could do that but won't bore you with the details :) but suffice it to say in a broad generalization kind of way the answer is pretty conclusive. Until we go down the rabbit hole of trying to prove a point by suggesting a cost no object PT can can beat a GTR hands down provided the GTR is bone stock with a flat tire.

If you know anything about me you know that Big Red is one of my favourite cars and a strong influence on my build back in the day. Big Red could beat a GTR in top speed (the fastest GTR that I personally know of maxed out at 203 in the mile whereas Big Red has gone 234 in the mile and a half) but that would have to be your only metric. Unless you want to suggest Big Red could beat the GTR in top speed with it's current gearing and setup, could beat the GTR in acceleration with a change in rear end and suspension, could beat the GTR with an engine and transmission and rear end change on the road course, and could be the GTR on the autocross with a slightly newer version of the car :G-Dub: provided that the GTR was stock and couldn't change anything but tire pressure.

I don't want to come off as a GTR fanboi - I would say that the same could be applied to a 'vette, a viper or any modern 911 with a G and a number in its name.

In the end, you can't beat modern technology, and aerodynamics. I remember talking to Mark before Optima, when the Red car and Danny Popp in the white C6 were going to throw down. Remember saying physics are a bitch, can't throw a ball as easy or acurate as you can a dart. Still nothing cooler then old iron that performs almost as well, and takes the win from time to time. Much rather watch a vintage car run a road course then any new car.

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Instead of setting out to build a PT car to one-up a GTR.......buy a good complete PT car and a GTR and just drive the wheels off them. You'd be money ahead and have a lot more fun. :D