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Solid LT1 01-17-2015 01:40 AM

Looks like your rocker bolt pulled or loosened up. I notice you didn't do a trunion upgrade on the rocker arms. I would definitely look into doing some upgrades, the trunion kits are around $140 and include longer Allen bolts to give better reliability. Doing some research after I bought my L92 Super Victor.....it seems the single plane intakes give up some torque and HP on a normally aspirated LS motor over the factory plastic intake.....around 30-40 ft/lbs in the lower RPM ranges....the Victor only seems advantageous in high RPM operation ( over 7K RPM ) I hope your also running LS3 intake valves, they are 90 grams, the L92 valves are heavy around 116grams, if you don't have LS3 hardware the hollow stem Ferrera stuf is 106 grams. The factory LS3 valves are pretty good stuff and really lightweight but, don't put a lot of spring pressure on them! If your going to rebuild the LS do yourself a big favor.....pitch the stock connecting rods for some Manley rods or Callies forged rods cheap insurance. Brian Tooley racing has some great hardware for LS valve springs.....stay away from the titanium retainers....stick with tool steel retainers....almost as light as Ti and won't flake away in operation like Ti will. If your motor builder know his stuff on LS motors he will know he needs to port the oil galleys and drill the lifter retainers for high RPM oil drain back. Hope all goes well in the refresh

71RS/SS396 01-17-2015 06:26 AM

We make a stud girdle for the stock rockers.

Jay Hilliard 01-17-2015 06:39 AM

Sorry to hear this Brian. I have snapped the end of the crank off at 6500 and it sounded like a pencil snapping for that brief moment until bits of block and pistons came out of the oil pan.

We have all had these issues and definitely feel your pain.
Its an opportunity to make TOW better.

Che70velle 01-17-2015 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 590148)
Bryan - I went back and took a look at the top of your pistons and yeah ... that looks to have been running very rich.

The whole thing is really upsetting. And I'm sorry you're having these on going issues.

Greg, did you happen to notice if the notches in the sleeve looked, or felt deep?

GregWeld 01-17-2015 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Che70velle (Post 590195)
Greg, did you happen to notice if the notches in the sleeve looked, or felt deep?



Scott --- I can only see the same photos that you can i.e., the ones Bryan posted up. I can see the "dings" that Bryan mentioned but not well enough to know whether or not that is going to be able to be machined out.


I think a good meal at The Salt Lick will have Bryan up and running in no time at all.

Che70velle 01-17-2015 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 590197)
Scott --- I can only see the same photos that you can i.e., the ones Bryan posted up. I can see the "dings" that Bryan mentioned but not well enough to know whether or not that is going to be able to be machined out.


I think a good meal at The Salt Lick will have Bryan up and running in no time at all.

I read your post wrong Greg. I thought you said you went "by" lol.
Those pics of the food you guys enjoyed at The Salt Lick make me hungry, every time I scan through his build thread.

carbuff 01-18-2015 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by chichirone (Post 589979)
Bryan, sorry to see this about TOW's engine. Bummed for you but I have a feeling TOW will be coming back stronger than ever. Hope to see you get the engine repaired and TOW back on the road soon.

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Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 590004)
Sucks man.... well, while you're in there.. :)

At least you're right in the middle of LS country down there....

Oh and nice job Steve.

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Originally Posted by rickpaw (Post 590012)
Sucks to hear it Bryan. Hope you get it back together soon.

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Originally Posted by Gscherer78ta (Post 590021)
That sucks! I hated to see that picture and read the story. I can't wait to see TOW back running through the cones and tearizing tires!

Greg

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Originally Posted by ccracin (Post 590030)
That sucks Bryan, but better on the dyno than out in the middle of no where. Make some improvements so you'll feel better about having it out. But don't go so far that you can't drive it this summer!

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Originally Posted by Vince@MSperfab (Post 590129)
you'll get it...good to have steve on your side.

It might be a good time to start discussing a different name for the car.
Just sayin

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Originally Posted by tones2SS (Post 590132)
Sucks to hear Bryan.
Hope you get her back to normal soon! Good luck!

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Originally Posted by Lenie (Post 590138)
Bryan, sorry to hear. It'd be nice if money grew on trees but for most of us that would be a huge set back. Feel for you, hope things work out smooth as possible. Best of luck to you.:bang: Could find the you've got to be sshiiiiitin' me smileee.

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Originally Posted by Panteracer (Post 590140)
Brian
Sorry to hear the LS let go
I have done the same in the past
along with many other engine failures

Most NorCal Shelby boys who track their
cars a lot tend to change their springs regularly
Depends on how high you rev it. 7000 plus
all the time does take its toll

You could always go out on the edge and
put a real Pontiac Motor in her:)

I hope you get it running soon

Bob

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Originally Posted by waynieZ (Post 590146)
That sucks, I hope you can save the block and you get it back in soon. Good Luck.

Thanx guys... It definitely was a 'heart in my throat' moment, but once it happens, there isnt' anything else to do but dive in and start the repairs. Oh, and pull out the wallet...

Here she is on the floor at Eric's shop:

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...pskqnnjmpe.jpg

And a shot of the bent valve. The seat and chamber look fine, just the valve and guide of course.

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...psbf0xmjgx.jpg

carbuff 01-18-2015 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Payton King (Post 590041)
Hate to hear what happened.

Not trying to spend all of your money but....

https://lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=48786

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Originally Posted by SSLance (Post 590049)
I had that same exact thought... :D

Yikes! That's a bit more 'engineering' than I want to take on with TOW right now, but it should would be an upgrade! :)

carbuff 01-18-2015 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 590051)
SO the good news is Don Hardy race engines --- an LS specialist is right there near you. That's who built the motor in the '33 --- and where Brizio gets most of his motors.

I just checked, he is in Lubbock, about 6 hours away. I haven't heard of him before... Fortunately, I have one of the larger suppliers of LS engines who just moved from Lubbock to Georgetown, just north of Austin, in Texas Speed. I went to visit them on Friday and am discussing plans for my repair or replacement with them. Nice to have a local shop to work with!

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 590051)
My guess on the rich condition is a pin hole or leak in the exhaust UPSTREAM from the O2 sensor - causing it to add fuel to overcome what it sees as a lean condition. Or perhaps that valve never sealed well --- and unburnt fuel is oxygen rich again fooling the sensor.

We checked the exhaust as we removed it, and there are no leaks. I think I have another failing O2 sensor for some reason. More on this in another post in a minute...

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 590051)
Hey! You've only gone thru ONE motor --- the Mustang has eaten 4 since I've owned it.... LOL

I do NOT want to catch up to you!!!

carbuff 01-18-2015 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Solid LT1 (Post 590177)
Looks like your rocker bolt pulled or loosened up. I notice you didn't do a trunion upgrade on the rocker arms. I would definitely look into doing some upgrades, the trunion kits are around $140 and include longer Allen bolts to give better reliability.

I have read mixed information on the trunion 'upgrade'. In speaking with Corey at Henderson Performance (where I was dynoing), we had a long conversation about this. He recommended not to do this, as he has never seen a failure from a stock rocker in their applications, and it's apparently risky to loose a needle if one of these gives out.

See more in a post below about where I think the problem was...

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Originally Posted by Solid LT1 (Post 590177)
Doing some research after I bought my L92 Super Victor.....it seems the single plane intakes give up some torque and HP on a normally aspirated LS motor over the factory plastic intake.....around 30-40 ft/lbs in the lower RPM ranges....the Victor only seems advantageous in high RPM operation ( over 7K RPM )

I am painfully aware of the sacrifice I made in low end torque to use the Victor Jr. I would much prefer to move up to the new L92 version of a Super Victor, but I've already had to compromise and do a lot of work just to make the Vic Jr. work with my shaker and hood. This was a case of form over function in my application... When I had this engine switched over from the L76 intake to the Vic. Jr. with my cam, I had it dynoed. Below is the overlay of the original setup, the L76 intake with my cam, and the Vic. Jr with my cam. About 40-50 ft-lb of torque lost until over 5k rpm. :\ I have some thoughts of improving that loss with this upgrade though!

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m...ebird/dyno.gif

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Originally Posted by Solid LT1 (Post 590177)
I hope your also running LS3 intake valves, they are 90 grams, the L92 valves are heavy around 116grams, if you don't have LS3 hardware the hollow stem Ferrera stuf is 106 grams. The factory LS3 valves are pretty good stuff and really lightweight but, don't put a lot of spring pressure on them!

This engine was running a set of Manley SS valves with Manley beehive springs. Nothing hollow or lightweight, but I also wasn't spinning past 6800 (redline), I was shifting around 6500-6600.


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Originally Posted by Solid LT1 (Post 590177)
If your going to rebuild the LS do yourself a big favor.....pitch the stock connecting rods for some Manley rods or Callies forged rods cheap insurance.

I have a Callies DragonSlayer crank and Compstar rods in this setup that I hope/plan to reuse.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solid LT1 (Post 590177)
Brian Tooley racing has some great hardware for LS valve springs.....stay away from the titanium retainers....stick with tool steel retainers....almost as light as Ti and won't flake away in operation like Ti will. If your motor builder know his stuff on LS motors he will know he needs to port the oil galleys and drill the lifter retainers for high RPM oil drain back. Hope all goes well in the refresh

The lifter retainers were drilled, but not sure about any oil galley porting...

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Originally Posted by 71RS/SS396 (Post 590186)
We make a stud girdle for the stock rockers.

I'd be interested in a link to that!


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