Still have that "picture" in my mind!

PHEW! She was SMOKIN'!:wow:

John

I have 2 questions, Since when do you ask anyone if they have a picture, you take pics of everything, How did you miss that.

2nd is it even slightly possible she was local? Because Ohio is still the land of the Solid 6.5.

:hail: :rofl:

My .02!

I've never spoken to Chris Fesler for any length of time so I'll refrain from commenting on him as it wouldn't be fair. I have spoken to Kenny and Travis on many occasions and they are both VERY passionate about our hobby!
Do I think it was unfair that Troy got extra time? Before I answer that question, maybe we should wonder if ANYTHING is truly fair! Those that have paid their dues in any sort of event will always be granted extra perks because of their stature in that particular arena. That's why they call it "paying your dues". I wonder if Troy, in his earlier years, ever ran into this situation? I would bet that he did but he had to suck it up and move on.
I feel that he has earned the accomodation he was afforded. What bothers me is that a lot of this hostility is being focused on RRBT when it should be pointed at GG and the way they interpreted the rules but at the end of the day it comes down to this. It's there sandbox and if you want play in it you have to play with whatever rules they deem are fair!
Does it suck that you had to stress out and rush to get your car up and running while they were working on theirs( and I'm sure stressing out just as much as you guys)? Sure does but anyone that is coming up in any industry has the same uphill battle when it comes to having to try and squeeze in and take some of the market share away from the big boys along with them having the upper hand due to already being there and having the confidence of the people that can get you where you want to go.

John

I agree Steve, kinda reminds me of the Scott Sullivan days- very clean-Chris

Can't argue with any of that.

How many pictures Marty? Great to finally meet you. You too Roger, I was beginning to think this was a vertically challenged hobby.

Later,

Well said John. I did in fact talk at length with Chris Fesler and can say that in my opinion anything he and his team said come from that same passion for what they do. Some just express opinions more PC than others. I would caution forming long lasting opinions based on this weekend. Everyone had a lot of time and money invested and emotions run high. I think all involved are good shops and people. Let's move on. Some times the sweetest victories come when you have overcome what looks like favoritism. I know if Kenny, Chris, Jeff, Frank and so on go for SMOY again, they will all step up there game. When that happens, lookout. It will be something to see.

Later,

Well said John and Chad. :thumbsup: Joe

Since this has gotten so entertaining, here's my take on the whole situation....

I enjoyed the autocross but if it does not count toward anything, whats the point of making cars run it? Have a seperate award for cars that run the auto x, along with a quarter mile and a braking competition. The others can make a 100 mile round trip cruise to prove they function and compete for the SMOY. Dont seem that complicated to me. I dont know Chris Fesler personally, but that is due to the fact that he dissed me and didnt shake my hand when we were introduced a year ago. I do know Kenny Davis and I cant say enough about the advice and help he has provided over the past couple of years as we were breaking into this business. I really dont give a damn who wins any of the awards, congrats to those who do. The fun of an event like GG is drinking beer in the parking lot with the guys from KD Hotrods, John Henson, J. Rushforth, Schott wheels, and my friends I have known for thirty years. Car shows are no different than life itself, there will be dissapointments. Do you sit around and pout or move on? On a final note, I thought Razor was the best and deserved to win. Great car!!

Jim (the usually quiet half of PRRC)

hey now!

being from Ohio let me teach ya'll something!

if ya'll are in Ohio, lookin for good lookin 8-10 girls at a car show where a ton of old dudes hang out, good luck! you ain't gunna find it.

and Ohio girls arent much for bars and restaurants either.

Ohio is different, you gotta go out to the country and look for the Barn Parties! :thumbsup: :cheers:

Class dismissed!

I would love to see that list of 50+ vendors.

Finally! Someone man enough to stand up and say what everyone else is thinking.

That's just not true! If you go off the posts on this message board(and others) everyone on here's building Riddler cars, when in reality, VERY few of them are "top quality cars". Lots of "Message Board Heroes" are in fact the laughing stock of the real world. Fesler was set up from the beginning. He posted pictures of his car and stated he was going for SMOY. He should have been told from the very beginning that neither of his cars are SMOY quality. Instead most people told him how awesome they were and acted like he could actually win, thus his ego and expectations grew as fast as the replies to his thread. I'm not saying he doesn't have a nice car, the paint is some of the best I've seen on a muscle car, but do you actually think this car is a SMOY contender given the past winners( Troy's Chicane, Ring's Mustang, Johnson's Cuda)? Even the most novice of members here should be able to see the difference. I'm not saying that we should nit pick and bash every builder that posts pics of a project on here but when it's obvious they are taking a knife to a gun fight, they should be told so.

Amen to that.
After listening to this blow-hard run his mouth, especially lately on the message boards, it's good to see someone finally call him out on it. Listening to Fessler speak poorly of others' work and in general was a treat this past weekend. Loud, rude, and ready to cut someone down at the first chance. Learn some respect, son, as word gets around fast.

Who said anyone was building Riddler cars? I think you're making a huge jump with your assumption there. I do believe that most of the professional shops that are members here or lurk here can turn out exceptional product. It ultimately boils down to the customer, how far he/she wants to go with it and how deep their pockets are.

Your little speach makes it sound like if someone enjoys being a part of an online community, they cannot build a car. The irony of that statement is that 3 of the top 5 cars up for the SMOY are cars built and/or owned by regular members here (Ring Brothers, Notorious from Troy, and Hanson).

I didn't realize 3 of the top 5 cars up for SMOY were the laughing stock of the "real world". :lol:

JOHN
yea i saw that!!!! black dress, no pic tho figured that might be too difficult to explane wen i got home......... i think the whole group noticed that.!! nice. best of show

I know, I know - my bad. I screwed up I was so impressed by her that i was actually camera shy.



I've learned that anything is possible in this world.

hey chad us short guys' got to stick to gether

picture I only took 1496 pics this year. I only shot a few on Sunday and most were shot on saturday

http://www.syborgtwinturbo.com/gallery/2008-Columbus

could be why i didn't take any pictures either. I think i'm scared of my wife

and Jeff Hanson - were the heck are you.

You have got to be the most humble person I have ever met

You and your Car Rock !!!!!!!

ps - tell your Dad Hi ( i see where you get it from - perfct Gentleman )

My point exactly!

Goodguys SMOY
 

If you have been at the Goodguys event in Columbus before this year it was hard to pick out the SMOTY and SROTY from the 300 plus cars in the Pro's Pick area. This is what made the changes for this year.

Goodguys decided to showcase the SMOTY and SROTY on Friday from 10am to 4pm this meant they would need to be in the area during that time and to have the SMOTY go through the AutoCross during that time. Goodguys decided to run the AutoCross just for Vendors and the SMOTY contendors. At Noon Goodguys decided to parade the SMOTY through the event and over to the AutoCross area for everyone to see and follow. Tech was done on the cars in the area. Some cars had no seat belts and one had loose wheel bearings. These items were all addressed and some cars could not run the coarse and were no longer eligible to compete.

The AutoCross time was from 9am to 4pm and if you were a SMOTY contender you had to run three laps. The laps were looked at by the judges for style points only and the fastest time did not matter. Before the final cars were going through the coarse the Nova of Troy's came over to tech and got inline to run the three laps. After the three laps the contenders could go back to the Pro's pick area or stay and run more laps to try and get the fast time to win a set of BFG tires. Roger Burman stayed and recieved the fast time with the 68 Camaro he built. The Nova that Troy built was over in the Pro's pick area after the AutoCross to receive the dot that showed he could compete on Saturday.

On Saturday the SROTY and SMOTY were once again seperated in the Pro's pick so everyone could see them together and there was no special parking allowed. All contestants had to be in the area by 10am and it was first come on the lineup. NO special treatment was given to anyone.

I think Goodguys did the best at making this fair, fun and interesting for all who were there to enjoy the weekend and a great show of the cars. The only thing that I can see that needs to be changed is that only the owner or builder can drive the car in the AutoCross so it remains fair for all.

For the first year with all this new stuff coming into play I would say it went pretty good and the best cars were part of the 27 cars that were involved right down to the end when the 5 top cars had to be picked.

I would hope that everyone builds cars to run the AutoCross and to be the best they can build like the 27 cars that showed up this year. Remember only one car is a winner!!!

I hope that this will clear up some of the discussions on this thread.

Kennyd if you are going to comment on me at least spell my name right.....

My point is, there are some builders that do not live up to their hype. You can say it boils down to how much the customer wants to spend but money doesn't buy taste. I never said anything about the top 5 builders being the laughing stock, you did. Obviously the Ring Brothers and Troy have set the bar to which all others are measured. How do you think the other members from this board measure up to these two? Though Hanson's car is nice(and he's a super nice guy), it probably shouldn't have been in the top 5. KD's Camaro and the red Cuda are closer to that level. Anyone who was there should agree. I'm not sure why the judges picked it over the others, maybe it is more of a driver type car than the others.

For the record I never bagged on any builders car or their reputation. I bagged on GG and the manor in which they inforced or bended the rules. Since I spend over $13,000 a year with them as a vender and countless more dollars as a competitor, I have every right to BITCH. Those who were not there should not even have a comment on the quality of cars that were present at the event. (you cant see anything in pictures)

I have the utmost respect for Troy, Ring and all other builders (professional and D-I-Y). I have no beef with any of you and consider you all to be an important part of this community.

I would like to see all builders come together in an organization where we can share ideas, techniques and information regarding our profession. :hail:

Congrats to Ring as they did drive the hell out of that car and had a great looking ride. Nice work

My group and I heard you bad-mouth a few folks over the weekend. And do you mean to say that because you spent money that you should be given special consideration? I read the rules, and it says nothing about a special class for buying your way in. And "BITCH" seems to describe your attitude well.

Here I am. I think I can come in here now. Hopefully things are starting to settle down, Geez. I'm still just sittin back with a big ol smile. I honestly think all the cars were capable and have no idea how I ended up getting picked over so many nice cars. I mean, it doesn't take a brain surgeon to see that the Cuda is head and shoulders above mine, but what can I tell you. What am I supposed to do, tell the judge when they come over "thanks but no thanks, there's much nicer cars here than mine, you have it all wrong". Obviously they liked my car for a reason and I feel very honored and proud to have been picked. I understand where they are coming from because, now don't anyone laugh, I love my car! I really think it was one of the sweetest looking cars there. I liked the way it looked better than any of the other top 5, and believe me, I wasn't alone. Is that wrong? Was the quality the same. No, but it's got eyeball. People gravitate towards it, the paint just pulls you in. Maybe that's what the judges liked, or the fact that I hammered it from the word go in the autocross. I don't know. At this point, does it really even matter. It doesn't make the other cars any less nice.
How's that for humble:woot:I had to say something. Now I can't wait to show my dad all this crazy talk. He'll get a kick out of all this crap. :lol: and that's what he'll call it, a bunch of crap.
Now I wanna know where Trush is. He calls me one of his best friends and where's the love?:rofl: Won't be long now....

Oh, and I'll say it again. It was great meeting and talking to everyone down there. Had a great time! As if that's not obvious.:lol: :lateral:

Hey Jeff, Congrats on making the top 5, your car looked sick out on the coarse and was top notch. Nice car and great job.

Hey, are you pickin on me? I think your pickin on me...:rofl: :rofl: It's all good. I don't care.:cheers: This is all just too much, we all gotta get a life.:lol:

Thanks man. Sorry I didn't get a chance to talk to you guys. Both of yours were sick. I love the fact that the blazer is the "shop truck", how sweet is that.:thumbsup:

Don't worry, I'm not picking on you. If everyone went about this the way you have, this thread would have been dead a long time ago. I overheard Kirk talking to a guy on Sunday who was questioning the judging process. He said they look for functional modifications, modifications just for the sake of modifications don't mean anything to them. By those standards, your car probably does edge out the Cuda and many others. It just depends on how you look at it I guess.

Maybe she should have gotten SMOTY! I think that would have been something we ALL could have agreed on! :rofl:

John

Damn...now all I want to see is the indian girl in the black dress.:yes:
I won't sleep tonight...:(

Sorry but I disagree! Jeff's car and the modifications it had were all pretty much functional and he proved that out on the track! The added fact that it was all packaged under a beautiful finish is just a testament to Jeff and his fathers will in pulling a "true" street machine together! AND it was home built! I will say that, hands down, Troy and RB's car were better but, keep in mind, they have a whole army of talent and a large cash reserve to get where they needed to to complete those cars and make them as awesome as they were. I think the judges were so impressed with the results that Jeff and his father were able to accomplish with the limited budget and talent that they had that they felt that it was a "special" case that couldn't be overlooked!

I say well deserved!

John

cool pics

VERY WELL SAID!!! I was not at the show, so I cannot speak from experience, but seeing everyone's car here on these posts, I am envious of these cars.
I think you hit the nail right on the head when talking about Jeff's car. He and his dad had built it with as opposed to a speed/build shop. SWEET RIDE.:thumbsup: :hail:
I'm not taking sides here or sticking up for anyone, just saying my opinion. ALL ARE NICE CARS!!!!:hail: :cheers: :cheers:

This show was about fit & finish first, performance second. When fit looks like this should it even be in competition.

http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/j...t/Kennyd69.jpg

Chris
Thats perfect what the heck are you looking at!!!!!!!!!:rolleyes: :lol: It is what it is and I here exactly what your saying...
Mario

Amen, brother! Jeff made us mortals have hope. Thanks.

Here is the Blazin in action

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_YcF...&feature=email

yeah we drive it and drive it hard and as you noticed we beat out several of the Camaros with it. Not bad for first time on the track

that is my car , yes the hood gap was crap at sema . i agree . if you noticed we fixed it before columbus . i am sure you didnot because you had your head up your ass the complete weekend .
but this is the " fesler" style we are talking about .
this is a old saying you should follow " if you cant say something nice , dont say anything at all " and you preach you car is perfect ? wow . i would not , have not ,and will never say anything is perfect !
i will not pick on your cars , or others !