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customcam 05-06-2009 05:08 PM

Talk about enjoying yourself with good friends,very cool
and the beast is amazing congrats

GHOSTDANCER 05-06-2009 06:01 PM

:woot: :woot: :thumbsup:

monza 05-06-2009 07:32 PM

Hell Ya Dude, thats awesome!! That's what it's all about Hot Rodding in PT style.:bow:

( however the noise from that vent window sure is loud :D )

James OLC 05-10-2009 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monza (Post 210881)
( however the noise from that vent window sure is loud :D )

Your Camaro either has vent windows or does not have vent windows... and you sir, do not have vent windows... :rofl:

Yeah, the poor sound quality of the GoPro camera is second only to it's horrible and erratic battery life. The only place that it seems to sound good is in SplitterVision which shows you how much dead air is at the front of the car. We're going to try to make one or two of them work for the NORC deal but I have my doubt's that the batteries will make it to the end.

Rhino 05-11-2009 07:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James OLC (Post 211415)
Your Camaro either has vent windows or does not have vent windows...

I never have been a fan of the vent windows, but after looking at the pics earlier in this thread, I'm starting to warm to them. :thumbsup:
Next you'll have me getting rid of my marker lights!

68protouring454 05-11-2009 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James OLC (Post 211415)
Your Camaro either has vent windows or does not have vent windows... and you sir, do not have vent windows... :rofl:

Yeah, the poor sound quality of the GoPro camera is second only to it's horrible and erratic battery life. The only place that it seems to sound good is in SplitterVision which shows you how much dead air is at the front of the car. We're going to try to make one or two of them work for the NORC deal but I have my doubt's that the batteries will make it to the end.

go pro tells you to take the gaskets off the front and rear, re install them and the sound will be way better

BBC71Nova 05-11-2009 09:13 AM

Yeah I picked up a GoPro at SEMA and then we mounted them to the go carts that night at PolePosition :D . Quality was OK but sounds was terrible. Gasket removal does seem like it would help. I was considering jeopardizing the waterproof case and drilling small holes in the case where the mic is. Figure if I ever need it to be near water resistent I'll just cover with tape. If you plan on submerging then that isn't good idea though :-).

John

James OLC 05-12-2009 06:10 AM

The sound on the GoPro is one issue (and I was leaning towards drilling the case as BBC71Nova was thinking) but the completely unpredictable and seemingly random battery life is really frustrating. Hopefully I can find some AAA that will last 51.429 minutes (+/- some grid and parking time) for the NORC this weekend...

68protouring454 05-12-2009 06:36 AM

my battery's have been holding up fine, i just set it up so i start it just before i roll out of pit, it also helps to have someone there to start it, so it does not have to sit there and run.
battery life more has to do with the junk battery's being sold these days

James OLC 06-27-2009 11:47 AM

Well it’s been a while since I updated this post on our spring odyssey so I thought I would do a quick update before I head down to Salinas for another weekend of development, tuning, track time and (hopefully) fun.

As most everybody knows in mid-May we ran the Nevada Open Road Challenge. The infamous Steven Rupp was navigator for our 90 mile blast down Nevada Highway 318 while Dave and Mary Pozzi kept us on the straight and narrow for the weekend – providing invaluable tuning, guidance and moral support.

http://www.onelapcamaro.com/california/NORC%20side.jpg

We completed in the Optima Batteries Half Mile and High Noon Shootouts for fun and on Sunday we finished 4th in our class – 0.37 seconds off of our target time – not bad for a couple of rookies… I won’t repost everything about the event, but do want to say thank you once more to OPTIMA Batteries for sponsoring us in the event and to David and Mary for their help – we couldn’t have done it without them. If you’re interested the complete story of our weekend is here: Back from the Nevada Open Road Challenge...

James OLC 06-27-2009 11:48 AM

After the Silver State Classic event our next stop was the Goodguys Rod & Custom event in Pleasanton, CA. This was going to be our first autocross since adding the rear sway bar, increasing the spring rate on all four corners and tweaking the brake bias so we were cautiously optimistic that we were heading in the right direction.

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/j...x/P1010447.jpg
photo by g_vanlaar

When the dust cleared on Sunday we (both the car and the driver) were both showing improvement – running a low 37 second lap which put us less than a second behind Mary’s winning time in her ’73. We also identified a couple of more places where we can get more out of the car… we’re still pushing in the corners and will increase the rear bar rate to get the car to (hopefully) respond a bit better. We’ve also got too much front brake which is in turn putting too much weight on the front and making the push worse… we’re going to swap master cylinders to try go increase the rear bias. It’s also time to do something about the tuning in the car… Painless has helped us out with a closed loop tune for the MEFI4B and we need to get the idle sorted out before we all lose our minds… it’s been nearly a year… it’s time.

We have also (we think) made some headway with our other ECU related issues and will put our theory to the test next week. If we’re right we should make some power and might have solved our engine cutout problem – we’ll see in a few days.

Next weekend were heading for the American Autocross Series event in Marina, California. David and I will be putting the car through it’s paces on an autocross course that should give us some running room and really let us see how close we are getting on our setup.

James OLC 07-14-2009 10:44 PM

Well I have been negligent in updating our California adventures since getting back from Marina last week (it sucks when the real world gets in the way) but it was such as blast that I have to take a few minutes to look back on the weekend. It was one of those “working” race weekends that can be both frustrating and rewarding at the same time – fortunately this one ended up being both. With the help of David and Mary we have made great strides in getting the OneLapCamaro closer to being right but going into the weekend we were still fighting an understeer ‘problem’ and were chasing our 60 mph vibration. We also wanted to play with the fuel injection – maybe convert the calibration over to closed loop – and take care of some charging issues that could have been the source of our 149 mph “issue”. We were also trying to play with the brake bias to get a better balance and take some weight off the front end under braking.

Wednesday and most of Thursday was spent switching the rear brake and clutch master cylinders. The clutch was a ¾” bore while the brakes (both front and rear) were 7/8” bore; by switching the two we hoped to get more rear brake bias and maybe help the TOB a bit. After bleeding the brakes and slave we road tested the car on a cruise through Carmel Valley to a local cruise night at the Baja Cantina which is a really cool spot that was really hopping – especially with the GP in town for the weekend. Best part was a nice 80 mile cruise on a beautiful Thursday evening.

http://www.onelapcamaro.com/californ...l%20Valley.JPG

Friday was spent trying to isolate some charging issues and some minor rewiring. I tried a couple of different calibrations but couldn’t get the car to idle without hunting in closed loop so we stuck with the original setup – hoping to get some time with a knowledgeable tuner some time in the near future.

Saturday morning it was up bright and early and off to the Marina Airport to run with the American Autocross Series. Mary led the way on a typical overcast morning on the peninsula…

http://www.onelapcamaro.com/californ...20to%20AAS.JPG

I had known going into the weekend that we were up against some still competition – running in the C Prepared class. As one of only two cars in the class on street tires it was immediately apparent that we were up against some stiff competition. The class was dominated by early Camaros and Mustangs which were built to do not much more than dominate autocrosses. Amongst our competition was TAZ – the awesome ’67 Camaro featured by Steve in Camaro Performers a couple of months ago – who was typical of the cars in the class – 2,100ish lbs, huge fender flares to accommodate 13” slicks front and rear, and a gnarly sounding small block. VERY COOL!

The great thing for us was that our goal was to sort the suspension out first and have fun second. The great thing about the American Autocross Series is that you can get a ton of runs in and can have multiple drivers. On Saturday David and I shared the driving duties – making 5 runs each in the morning and afternoon. At one point we were hot lapping the Camaro so quickly that we weren’t even shutting the car down between runs – one of us would hop out, we would check tire pressure and the other would hop in to get buckled up to make a run.

http://www.onelapcamaro.com/californ...na/AAS%201.JPG

In the morning, we started with no major changes besides the brakes which proved to be a great improvement. The pedal was still really stiff but we were finally able to get a very good balance between the front and the rear and it really helped to eliminate most of our issues while braking before coming into the corners. The car was still understeering badly with the front tires chattering badly in the sharper turns. At lunch we decided it was time to play with the rear sway bar (which David had modified to be adjustable) and upped the rear rate.

Heading out in the afternoon the difference was immediately evident – a bunch of understeer was gone but now the rear end was ‘a touch on the free side’. With the front end behaving better I eventually got myself into trouble, looping the car in what was looking like a great run (ok – the first couple of turns were going great – but it was there). The back end was just so free that the least amount of throttle would get you really out of shape. Making matters worse, as the day warmed up (and due to the fact that we were keeping the car running almost all the time) the engine temps were rising, hovering around 200 degrees. Not enough to be worried about, but enough to cause some detonation when combined with the ‘high octane’ California premium unleaded. With the GP going on that day, Laguna was not an option for getting some race gas. Fortunately MuscleCarJohn came to the rescue with 5 gallons of 110 octane low lead (thanks again John!) and we were able to blend and solve that problem.

Saturday night was frustrating as we discussed what we needed to do to get the car sorted. I was frustrated at my driving – which I thought was getting better but the spin had killed most of my confidence – and we were all frustrated at the car. We went to bed with no obvious solution.

James OLC 07-14-2009 10:48 PM

Sunday morning was another early start. Just as we were getting ready to hit the road and head to the airport, David suggests changing the mounting point for the Watts Link – raising it up one position. His thought was that the roll center for the first gen was fairly high on the front (seemingly much higher than Mary’s second gen) and that maybe by raising the roll center in the back the car would be better balanced. The change took about 10 minutes and then we were off.

Sunday we were running the course in the opposite direction as we had on Saturday and I was first up. I got down the first stretch of zig zags and came into the first long 180 degree sweeper – our nemesis the day before - and as I accelerated out I think I probably shouted a little Woo Hoo as the car rotated like never before and practically shot out of the turn. There was still a little bit of understeer but nothing like the day before and best of all, the rear end was no longer loose. One bolt – 10 minutes – and it was like being in another car.

http://www.onelapcamaro.com/californ...na/AAS%202.JPG

Once again we were hot lapping the car but this time every run was better and better for everyone. I admit that I looped the car again, this time in the final 180 degree sweeper, but it was my own fault – I had gone through the slalom at nearly 60 mph and had neglected to get the car adequately whoa’d up in the turn and when it got out of shape I tried to power through it and lost the battle.

In the afternoon Mary and I were taking turns in the car and, as before, were getting faster as the day went on. On one of the last runs of the day Mary went around the course, finished what was her best run of the day, and immediately pulled back up to the staring line. She was nodding her head and shaking her fist and when the flag dropped she was off on an even better pass. When she got back she got into the staging lane so we could make our last switch of the day… “I got this thing figured out!” she exclaimed, “there’s a 41 in it – go get it.” Well, I’m obviously no Mary and I didn’t get the 41 but I did get a rewarding 42 and change for my best of the day.

http://www.onelapcamaro.com/californ...AAS%20Mary.JPG

Then the dust settled on Sunday it was a completely different story than the day before. The car was working well and we had learned a ton. We made great improvements and ultimately were mid pack in C Prepared – turning faster times than some of the cars that had seemed so ominous the day before. All told we made 40 passes with the car and opened the hood twice – both time more out of a sense of duty than a real need. Mechanically the car performed flawlessly and the handling and setup was coming our way. There’s more there and we’re already chasing it…

http://www.onelapcamaro.com/californ...AAS%20Last.JPG

As always, thank you so much to Dave and Mary. Thanks to John for the gas - it was great to meet you and see your garage! True – it was a pleasure to finally meet you, hopefully we can get together again next time I come down.

That’s all for now – the adventure will continue next month (I hope) when the AAS returns to Marina…

James OLC 07-14-2009 10:57 PM

Some YouTube Videos…

Saturday Roof Mount


Saturday SplitterVision


Sunday Mounted on the Side


Sunday SplitterVision

GregWeld 07-15-2009 07:34 AM

Am I just missing something - or are the tires "chattering" in left turns and only squealing in right hand turns...

I can't tell if it's the camera angle - being able to see the rim rather than just the back of the tire... AND I certainly don't know if this means anything or not -- just an observation rather than a "helpful hint".

Car is just killer!! Good story too! I felt I was there with you.

buickfunnycar.com 07-15-2009 08:44 AM

Great writeup James,car was working much better on Sunday.
Dave's still making changes chasing that elusive extra 10th...heading in the right direction now.

Glad I was able to help you out with the fuel...;)

awr68 07-15-2009 09:22 AM

That was as fun read, James! Thanks for the pics, vid, and writeup!! Good to hear the car is getting sorted out and that you are having fun with it!

Question:
If you get the car dialed in for auto-x, how will that affect the big track...can a car be setup to do both well?

Bow Tie 67 07-15-2009 11:19 AM

Good job to all, I love the last pic and its placement in your writeup. Like riding off into the sunset. :yes:

monza 07-15-2009 11:42 AM

Super cool! Love the Videos:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

James OLC 07-15-2009 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 223295)
Am I just missing something - or are the tires "chattering" in left turns and only squealing in right hand turns...

I can't tell if it's the camera angle - being able to see the rim rather than just the back of the tire... AND I certainly don't know if this means anything or not -- just an observation rather than a "helpful hint".

Car is just killer!! Good story too! I felt I was there with you.

Thanks Greg. I don't know if it matters or not - or if it's real or not - but it's an interesting observation. Something more to think about - thanks.

Quote:

Originally Posted by musclecarjohn (Post 223303)
Great writeup James,car was working much better on Sunday.
Dave's still making changes chasing that elusive extra 10th...heading in the right direction now.

Glad I was able to help you out with the fuel...;)

John - thanks again so much - saved by bacon! Great meeting you and your wife. Next time bring her out (and one of your cars - no excuse for not having enough time to get it ready) and she can come for a lap in the OLC.

Quote:

Originally Posted by awr68 (Post 223309)
That was as fun read, James! Thanks for the pics, vid, and writeup!! Good to hear the car is getting sorted out and that you are having fun with it!

Question:
If you get the car dialed in for auto-x, how will that affect the big track...can a car be setup to do both well?

We have an ok setup for the bick track (at least with respect to the rear bar) so hopefully we'll be able to adjust between setups depending on venue. Next up will be another autocross at Marina if they have it - then off to either Buttonwillow or Thinderhill so that should be a good test.

nvr2fst 07-15-2009 07:14 PM

Nice write up and u tube, James

James OLC 12-27-2009 10:25 PM

And the fun continues
 
So we're spending the holidays with David and Mary in sunny California (at this point, if it's not snowing it's close enough to being sunny for me) and trying to have some fun with the OLC while continuing on our development path. Hellwig was kind enough to build us some new sway bars which we have on the car now and on Christmas we started on some more mundane modifications...

http://www.onelapcamaro.com/californ...20relocate.jpg

...preparing the car of the 2010 One Lap of America (in the long term) and a couple of local autocrossed in the short term.

Saturday we headed out to Marina to run with the Lockheed Sports Car Club in an entertaining but challenging autocross.

The day started out cold with low cload and rain threatening most of the day
http://www.onelapcamaro.com/californ...reflection.jpg


http://www.onelapcamaro.com/california/dec/LSCC%201.jpg

and eventually the rains did come
http://www.onelapcamaro.com/california/dec/LSCC%202.jpg

Autocrossing in the rain... I think Mary said it best... I'm glad it's you and not me. Funny thing is though, I think all of our best times came in the rain
http://www.onelapcamaro.com/california/dec/LSCC%203.jpg

James OLC 12-27-2009 10:33 PM

Mary was there - of course - in her '73

http://www.onelapcamaro.com/californ...20Mary%201.jpg

http://www.onelapcamaro.com/californ...20Mary%202.jpg

As was our friend Linda
http://www.onelapcamaro.com/californ...CC%20Linda.jpg

James OLC 12-27-2009 11:02 PM

some video...

SplitterVision - David driving


a little bit higher perspective with me at the wheel


and speaking of the wheel



It was a fun day and the drive home in the rain made it all the more entertaining. We've still got some work to do on the car this week in preparation for our next autocross on January 1st - a new master for the rear brakes is waiting to be installed to fine tune the bias and I want to hook up the O2 sensors and tweak the ECM a touch... plus a little bit more adjustment on the suspension is coming.

But before we head to the track we're going to get some quality time in... Steve is heading down tomorrow and we're going to hit the highway and head down towards Big Sur and Hearst Castle. Should be a blast - we'll be in the Camaro, Steve will be cruising in the 2010 and Mary is still debating between the '73 and the '02...

Bow Tie 67 12-28-2009 07:31 AM

I like the last video, it gives a good perspective of how much the tire contact patch moves while cornering.

James, have you kicked around the idea of adding an inlet tube to help straighten out your intake air and reduce IAT? I'll assume your running speed density as I see no room for a MAF senor.

awr68 12-28-2009 06:16 PM

James, when did you move the coils to the valve covers....weren't they mounted near the x-member?

I LOVE that this car gets USED!! :thumbsup:

nvr2fst 12-28-2009 07:45 PM

James
Nice way to spend the holidays. Better than shoveling up North. Looks like everything has been improving and performing well.
Between you, Penny and Todd (vegas69) I cant keep track of the changes and updates you guys do on a monthly basis. All for the better. Gees, Im just looking forward to get mine off the chassis table
Dave

Vegas69 12-28-2009 10:02 PM

That's the way to spend a Christmas. :thumbsup:

Moose 12-29-2009 09:48 AM

Not to get to far off subject, but which go pro do you use? I'm close to buying one, and now they have the HD version with rechargeable batterys. just wondering your thoughts..

Mike

buickfunnycar.com 12-29-2009 10:12 AM

Hey James...
 
Mary's not driving a orange '70 Z/28 is she...?:_paranoid

70rs 12-29-2009 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by musclecarjohn (Post 257199)
Mary's not driving a orange '70 Z/28 is she...?:_paranoid

It's a red '73

buickfunnycar.com 12-29-2009 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 70rs (Post 257202)
It's a red '73

No I know,lol...my '70 Z is being stored in one of their buildings.:unibrow:

Aschle 12-29-2009 08:09 PM

Where is the next autocross? I would like to spectate if possible....? I'd love to meet up if it is doable...


Jason

mpozziCPL 12-29-2009 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aschle (Post 257320)
Where is the next autocross? I would like to spectate if possible....? I'd love to meet up if it is doable...


Jason

If it's not pouring buckets of the wet stuff, New Years Day at the Marina Airport (near Monterey). You're welcome to come on up and ride shotgun. We all may do a flogfest on the '02 SS if it's raining as the OLC isn't rain-friendly (no wipers).

Hey John ... your '70 did really good but some of that nice paint came off when I used lacquer thinner on the pylon marks ... :rofl: (just kidding).

Cheers,
Mary Pozzi

buickfunnycar.com 12-30-2009 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mpozziCPL (Post 257322)
If it's not pouring buckets of the wet stuff, New Years Day at the Marina Airport (near Monterey). You're welcome to come on up and ride shotgun. We all may do a flogfest on the '02 SS if it's raining as the OLC isn't rain-friendly (no wipers).

Hey John ... your '70 did really good but some of that nice paint came off when I used lacquer thinner on the pylon marks ... :rofl: (just kidding).

Cheers,
Mary Pozzi

LOL,you guys are back in town I'm guessing...how was Big Sur & Hearst Castle?Pictures...?:unibrow:
I'll call you later...

James OLC 12-30-2009 11:35 AM

Awesome...

http://www.onelapcamaro.com/californ...0beach%203.jpg

more later

buickfunnycar.com 12-30-2009 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James OLC (Post 257450)

Awesome James,looks very familar:yes: ...I'm in SF Sat but will try to hook up with you guys on Friday.:thumbsup:

Aschle 12-30-2009 06:44 PM

What time on Friday? I will probably head up there for the day !

K, Just got the green light from my wife to head up... ! Thanks guys/ gal :woot:

Jason

buickfunnycar.com 12-31-2009 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aschle (Post 257553)
What time on Friday? I will probably head up there for the day !

K, Just got the green light from my wife to head up... ! Thanks guys/ gal :woot:

Jason

Pretty sure it's early AM and all day long.:yes:

Aschle 12-31-2009 09:57 AM

OK, I will head up there tomorrow morning... :D

Can one of you PM me a phone # in case I get lost somehow? Thanks!

Jason


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