i think the cams are just much smaller with a lot less overlap as you mentioned. ive always heard that quiet motors are the most efficent, and im not talking about slapping different mufflers on them to get that effect.

How come theres no love for Ford's new COYOTE!!!!!!

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OTHER.....no chebbys here
 

Aftermarket block Pontiac. CNC lightened IA2 block, Moldex billet, BME rods, CP pistons, CNC'd CV-1 cylinder heads, solid roller, etc. 555 ci. Oh yeah...and Procharged.

Sick, who's building that for you?

The easy answer to that rhetorical question is -- because FORD et al are about 10 years behind in the marketing of "aftermarket crate engine" development. I'd love to do a Ford in one of my TWO fords - but it costs twice as much and is twice as hard to find ANY aftermarket parts such as headers etc for the project. Since 500 hp is 500 hp, most people just choose to do what is available on a cost/simplicity basis.

Glad to see you doing cutting edge work here! Super cool!:cheers:

^ Greg - You are right about Ford being late to the game, but they're here now. Full page ads in the mags, multiple choice for displacement, good HP numbers with only a 5.0 and 32 valves (sexy to me). Street prices are similar to LS series. I even have a buddy who has a 2010 100 mile drop out w trans he's looking to sell.

I'm a GM guy, but to the Ford faithful I'd think this is cause to celebrate!

As far as aftermarket support, I can only imagine it's right around the corner...

You are correct Ron, Ford is finally trying to get competitive. I don't think they will ever reach the popularity of LS engines though. They sound way cooler in my opinion, and the blown 5.4 is awesome, but packaging it is going to discourage a ton of people. These mod motors are HUGE and are not simply a bolt in affair like LS engines are.

Also, the Coyote is a good deal but Ford motors are still expensive. If you want 500-600 horsepower out of a mod motor with an aluminum block you're looking at spending about 15 grand or more.

Matt

Pics or it didn't happen Matt...:yes:

Yep Matt.... that was my point. HP is HP -- and the Ford offerings are hugely disproportionately expensive and complicated. Try dropping one of these in a simple application such as my '32 or '37 Ford -- and you're talking custom headers - a lack of accessory drive choices... and on and on. In the end - you end up with a very expensive homage to a "Ford in a Ford".

IMO it seems the aftermarket is on the bandwagon supporting these 5.0 Coyote swaps into popular Ford vehicles of any age.



This one looks and sound good too.



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Here's the build thread on the '65 Shelby Hertz clone.

http://www.modularfords.com/forums/s...=1#post1660423

Short version here.

http://www.pro-touring.com/showthrea...ersion-Project

Just for you Ron,
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It has all of the wiring, pedals, etc that Ford usually charges an arm and a leg for. Hell, I might even keep the log manifolds. I Might have to go with a dry sump to be able to drop the engine a couple inches. The height from the bottom of the frame rail to the top of the hood is about 30" :_paranoid

I think the real reason Greg doesn't want to put a mod motor in a '32 is because he'd end up with a roadster so tall he'd have to use a step rail from an F350 to get in. These engines are stupid tall...like Rodger tall.

If I wasn't trying to build a car on a "budget" I'd build a Coyote 5.0 with a whipple and a forged bottom end. 650hp with the ability to happily rev to 7000rpm (or more) is just downright cool. There is also a company making a 351 stroker kit...

Matt

Without any other mods the 2011 Mustang 5.0 made 389 at the wheels with the addition of long tube headers.

http://www.mustang50magazine.com/tec...ir_intake.html

IIRC adding a tune and other normal bolt-ons those cars are over 500 fwhp already.

^ Great post Matt! "Roger tall" had me laughing...:)

That's what I thought, too

I like what Hollywood Hot Rods did with the new 5.0 DOHC for their Raybestos Brakes project.

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k1...70d75a2d8f.jpg

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Hey Skip - I saw that car at SEMA. HHR took all the FI off, modded the valley cover and fabbed up some old school Ford 427 valve covers. Came out pretty nice!

Edit: was that in the video?

You don't even want to know what the HHR Coyote motor cost to make it cool looking like Troy did that one.... :unibrow:

Yes.

Less than a certain IRS...

:lol:

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A shop owned by a good friend of mine. They do a lot of Ford stuff, but he's an old Pontiac guy. They are going to fab the top of the tunnel ram base and mount the big Accufab throttle body on the front. Already have the valve covers setup for the 8 coils. The T&D shaft setup is getting installed on the heads in a week or so. Were pretty sure it will make ~720 HP normally aspirated. The Procharger should add another 450 easy. Street/strip. LSM in Detroit did the CNC lightening. The detail work is amazing. Block is 245# as cast. Its 185# now. And still way strong enough for what Im building.

Ls2 with a 2.8HO KB

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581BBC with an F2 procharger set back as far as possible. :cheers:

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^ Work of art! :thumbsup:

Gonna take one of these....
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A couple of these....
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And top it off with this :D
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Then stuff it all into a 4th gen fbody SS....and hope it turns out as cool as some the rides around here :hail:

You dog :lol:. I just posted in your thread over at 'tech yesterday (flash911 over there). Welcome to Lat G! You really need to do a build thread...:thumbsup:

That would be a RHS 460 exotic heads you guys are looking at. It's gonna break the bank on the dyno...

Lol...I was looking for you here as "flash" but got nothin... Thanks again, Ron! I'll shoot something up in the project section. Soooooo many bad-ass rides in here :cool: Geezus, I hope I dont get any more ideas :lol:

ahahaha...you'll get plenty of ideas over here! We like to go around corners...:cool:

LSA. :unibrow:

Sorry, but I'm the real "Flash" over here, right Ron? :lol: :unibrow:

That is a stupid sweet motor ya got there. :thumbsup:

Yeah, you're the real deal Bro...:)

:lol:

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Pontiac 400, with EFI and full roller rockers and cam

6.0 Lq4 block (final cubic inches yet determined) L92 heads, stock Ls3 intake and a wooden cam

I'm going to have a hard enough time going straight let alone having to worry about the twisties!

Lol, yep. You were the "flash" I got when I searched. Thanks for the compliment....should be fun. :unibrow:

:lol:

Why do you guys only have ONE motor......



:rofl: :rofl: :woot:

Cuz we're into appearances. Turns out motors look better in a the car rather than on a floor. :lol:

SBF
*hears crickets chirp in the background
:_paranoid

Ford all Aluminum 4.6 3-valve in my 65 Falcon. Already picked up stage II ported heads and cams. Plan for a mild 450hp NA, if that ever becomes boring I will step it up with a procharger.

388 sbc stroker.
Carb
Spark plugs
Water pump
Starter
Intake
Alternator
Distributor
Coil
Wires
And some bolts to hold it all together.:D


388, 4 bolt GM block, steel crank, 5.7" rods,
Speed pro coated pistons (hyp) , moly rings
H series rod and main bearings
Melling HV oil pump (blueprinted)
Hyd roller cam (tbd)
Comp hyd roller lifters (retro fit)
Perf RPM air gap
Holley 750 dp
RHS iron 180 / 64cc heads
Bronze guides
2.02/1.60 stainless valves
Comp magnum push rods, guide plates
Comp springs
Roller rockers
Flow Cooler hi flow w/pump
Alum radiator
MSD Pro billet dizzy, 6AL Box
Mallory wires
ARP fasteners throughout.
T56 6 speed
Centerforce billet steel flywheel
Centerforce clutch (tbd)
Hyd T/O brg

The goal is durability , broad torque curve, decent street mannors, and a big stupid grin every time I stomp the go pedal. Nothing fancy, just reliable and fun.

Viper V10. Stock to begin with but will get a tune. Eventually a cam, head and intake work, and a set of roller rockers. Will have custom headers and full 3" exhaust with hi-flow cats immediately.

*edit....."I'm going to have a hard enough time GETTING IT TO FIT....." . Anyone looking for a 850hp-ish N/A bullet for their build :_paranoid

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