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HWY Nova 08-25-2009 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 231120)

Eric --

I've been trying to talk the wife into letting me move to Bakersfield... so I can sweep the floor and go'fer parts etc (for FREE) for a year or so... just so I could hang out with you guys!!


I actually live in Santa Ynez (near Santa Barbara). I am a customer of Rodger's, but that customer/builder relationship has turned into an awesome friendship. He and I have the same passion for cars!!!!...... but he gets to live it everyday. Someday soon (and it can't come soon enough) I'll be doing design work with Rodger on a daily basis.

Believe me, there is NOT a shortage of ideas for these cars! There are so many more things that we want to do. Rodger has an awesome crew, and there are more people waiting in the wings.


--Eric

tones2SS 08-25-2009 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 231116)
OMG !! It just doesn't get any better than that!!
:woot: :woot:

You said it bud!!!:thumbsup:

nvr2fst 08-25-2009 11:00 PM

Airjax
 
The air jacks are courteously provided by Leighton Reese. Leighton has designed and built custom racing parts and cars for years. He is best known for his Banner Racing team in the Speed World Challenge, Grand American Road Racing and at least 60 Trans Am series. When I originally contacted him and told him I wanted to set this up for a 69 camaro he was all over it and I plan on working with Leighton in the future on other parts and track testing.
If anybody is interested heres the link.
http://www.airjax.com/

Leighton also owns Leighton's Garage serving the Minneapolis/St Paul area.

texas56 08-26-2009 06:39 AM

Lost For Words!:bow: :bow:

ironworks 09-14-2009 03:55 PM

Well I guess this post is about due for some updates.

We are going to town on the rollcage, You will notice we notched the body to suck the rollcage into the quarter panel even further. We rolled the rear down bars and those will land in the wheel tub support that will go out to the tail panel. We have been working on some things like removing all the interior structure and prepping to build that structure to our taste. We have some tubes out to the rear tailpan and just working to locating everything. Enjoy the pics.

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...ber2009067.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...ber2009068.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...ber2009071.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...ber2009065.jpg


Just to be clear the "dirt track","Max Max" window cages will not be staying. We used that for the exterior structure to support the body as we removed the interior structure. Spot weld after spot weld.

brian mc 09-14-2009 04:10 PM

"Max Max"? is that a new Mel Gibson movie?

71RS/SS396 09-14-2009 04:15 PM

"Just to be clear the "dirt track","Max Max" window cages will not be staying. We used that for the exterior structure to support the body as we removed the interior structure. Spot weld after spot weld"

Damn Rodger, I kinda of like the industrial feel it gives the build! :lol: And it could double as a visor to keep the sun out of your eyes!

ironworks 09-14-2009 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 71RS/SS396 (Post 234828)
"Just to be clear the "dirt track","Max Max" window cages will not be staying. We used that for the exterior structure to support the body as we removed the interior structure. Spot weld after spot weld"

Damn Rodger, I kinda of like the industrial feel it gives the build! :lol: And it could double as a visor to keep the sun out of your eyes!


You know if there ever was a New Max movie and OCC built a Theme camaro you know those would be on there.

legend 09-15-2009 03:03 AM

looks great so far guys, love the roll cage pushed out to the edges.

68RS350 09-15-2009 03:57 AM

Looking at the first pictures with the bent tube going inside the middle of the rear lower control arm. Is that how you guys are looking to put that in? It kinda looks like the control arm will hit the tube when the moves through the suspension travel?

ironworks 09-15-2009 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by 68RS350 (Post 234927)
Looking at the first pictures with the bent tube going inside the middle of the rear lower control arm. Is that how you guys are looking to put that in? It kinda looks like the control arm will hit the tube when the moves through the suspension travel?

We are only expecting 3" of uptravel in the suspension at the spindle so in order to contact that tube it would have to move about 10". The tire would hit the package tray before the control arm hits the tube.

tones2SS 09-15-2009 08:17 AM

Very nice guys!
Both the '67 and '69 are going to be killer looking cars.:thumbsup:

waynieZ 09-15-2009 09:08 AM

Awesome work .

notorious1970 09-20-2009 09:11 AM

That is looking good. Met the owner at goodguys joliet, good luck with it. Ill be checking to see the progress.
-d

waynieZ 09-20-2009 04:01 PM

This is such a sweet project.

ironworks 09-21-2009 08:39 AM

Well we have the main section for the halo of the rollcage wrapped up. We have began boxing the rear wheel tub structure and the rear crossmember to go behind the diff of the transaxle. Things should go pretty fast this week in the the rear.

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...ber2009138.jpg

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...ber2009141.jpg

HWY Nova 09-21-2009 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ironworks (Post 235819)
Well we have the main section for the halo of the rollcage wrapped up. We have began boxing the rear wheel tub structure and the rear crossmember to go behind the diff of the transaxle. Things should go pretty fast this week in the the rear.

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...ber2009138.jpg

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...ber2009141.jpg

Looking good Dave (and Rodger)!!!!!


--Eric

ironworks 09-21-2009 02:52 PM

Some pics to give you the idea of what we are going for.

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...8-4-2009-1.jpg

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...ber2009144.jpg

The trunk floor transition

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...ber2009145.jpg

There will be a plate welded onto the side of the Hoop for the rear section of the cage to land onto. There will also be a mount to brace up the trunk hinge bracing for the trunk hinges. We are working on the rear crossmember to fit into behing the differental to hold the diff and also spread out to this hoop for the rocker system for the shocks and the upper control arm mounts. Complicated, YES, but it all works in my head I just need to make it work in Solidworks.

Thanks for checking it out.

tones2SS 09-21-2009 02:58 PM

Man, that is impressive. AWESOME WORK!:thumbsup:

ironworks 10-02-2009 09:27 AM

Ok so we have been working to tie the rollcage into the rear of the car. We had decided to incorporate the wheel tubs into some structure in the car. We started the plates that come off the wheel tub hoops we made. The is some massive structure I'm trying to figure out in my head that will go in between the wheel tubs to hold the suspension and cantilever rear suspension.

Well you can see the start of the plates. It is very tight under the package tray and it took quite a bit of work to get everything togther to land the tubing at the right spot. The plat has a hole in the bottom and the tube will be capped and welded flush on the bottom. Then we will box the plate sticking off the wheel tub hoop and box the top, so the tub goes through and welds to both plates. COMPRENDE????

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...ber2009079.jpg

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...ber2009081.jpg

You can also see the mock up control arms we built to get a space relationship of where everything fits to lay out what plates need to where in the rear. We had Bobby Alley lay out the improve suspension geometry for us n this project. So if your familiar with C6 geometry you might notice some instant center changes and some camber gain changes. Plus both arms are longer then stock. We also need to optimise the ball joint angle to the static ride height. Things are progressing.

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...ber2009083.jpg

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...ber2009084.jpg

MtotheIKEo 10-02-2009 05:22 PM

DO you guys make your own a-arm cross bars (chassis side mount, I dont know the technical name) or do you buy them somewhere?

ironworks 10-02-2009 05:52 PM

We buy the Delrin Bushings and Crossshafts from Global West.

If that answers your question

B_Alley 10-02-2009 06:17 PM

I must say, that's gotta be the sweetest suspension I've ever seen on one of these cars! :D

Cris@JCG 10-18-2009 09:09 PM

Update!
 
Any updates Roger?? :D

Bow Tie 67 10-19-2009 08:52 AM

Wow outside the box, I like it. What are your thoughts on keeping total vehicle weight in check?

ironworks 10-19-2009 09:08 AM

It should not weight much over 3000 lbs depending on interior materials selection.

I will see what I can do for an update pretty soon.

ProTour69GTO 11-08-2009 12:30 PM

Updates? I know iv been waiting

ironworks 11-18-2009 04:02 PM

We are working on some body mods. Don't want to give it all away, but I will say I like it.

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...ber2009025.jpg

More to come, soon.

Rodger

J2SpeedandCustom 11-19-2009 06:10 AM

That's going to look really cool extenting the body down the door. How much wider is the front fender looks like about 2 inchish... :thumbsup:

bentfab 11-19-2009 07:03 AM

Yo Roger,

Are you widening the sheet metal so the wheels will turn? I think you said before that this car will have no bags on it ?

Mark

ironworks 11-19-2009 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by bentfab (Post 248818)
Yo Roger,

Are you widening the sheet metal so the wheels will turn? I think you said before that this car will have no bags on it ?

Mark

Bent - We widened the fenders to be able to turn 285's and for the look. We are really trying to refine the design of one of the most popular cars.

J2speed
1.5" wider at the fender lips per side
1" wedge section
5" ride height
19" front wheel with a 285 front tire

plus few move cuts and slices here and there.

Some pics taken last night after work.
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...ber2009034.jpg

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...ber2009035.jpg

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...ber2009038.jpg

bentfab 11-19-2009 08:10 AM

Bad A$$ !!!!

War 11-19-2009 08:39 AM

Looks good Rodger, like the front armored windshield.

tones2SS 11-19-2009 08:43 AM

Amazing work Rodger!!:thumbsup:
Shop looks nice and clean as well.

GregWeld 11-19-2009 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by War (Post 248846)
Looks good Rodger, like the front armored windshield.


Rogers building "Mad Max.... the Return of the gas wars"


:rofl:

MtotheIKEo 11-19-2009 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ironworks (Post 238432)
We buy the Delrin Bushings and Crossshafts from Global West.

If that answers your question

Yep, thanks. Very interesting project

Garage Dog 65 11-19-2009 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by ironworks (Post 248819)

19" front wheel with a 285 front tire

DUDE - Those go in the BACK !!

:thumbsup:

syborg tt 11-19-2009 12:05 PM

Roger - you guy's are insane and i look forward to all of your posts

okay found this on accident yesterday

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...K%3AMEWAX%3AIT

Swain 11-19-2009 02:08 PM

Lookin good :thumbsup:

ironworks 11-19-2009 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by syborg tt (Post 248902)
Roger - you guy's are insane and i look forward to all of your posts

okay found this on accident yesterday

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...K%3AMEWAX%3AIT

Man that camaro is awesome, But I think it needs mud tires.

Thanks


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