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Capjr 10-22-2009 04:42 PM

Guess i USED the wrong term .

DFRESH 10-22-2009 05:10 PM

Chris--PM me with specifics on motor if you have a chance---if it's a fit for me, I can pick it up at SEMA if you are willing to bring it out. Let me know.

Doug

fesler 10-22-2009 05:52 PM

lets find out what you guys think this is worth. I will get more specs but this will give you a good start. This should be above 500HP no problem

Engine/Tranny:

2002 Z06 LS6 aluminum engine with carb conversion
ATS sidewinder accessory drive
ATS Tri-Y stainless headers
ATS road race oil pan with remote filter
ATS engine plates/mounts
Pro-systems road race style carb
Carbon fiber valve covers with MSD coil packs
ATS T-56 six speed with Viper internals
McLeod modular blowproof SFI approved bellhousing
ATS T56 install kit
McLeod dual disc clutch

96z28ss 10-22-2009 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fesler (Post 242866)
lets find out what you guys think this is worth. I will get more specs but this will give you a good start. This should be above 500HP no problem

Engine/Tranny:

2002 Z06 LS6 aluminum engine with carb conversion
ATS sidewinder accessory drive
ATS Tri-Y stainless headers
ATS road race oil pan with remote filter
ATS engine plates/mounts
Pro-systems road race style carb
Carbon fiber valve covers with MSD coil packs
ATS T-56 six speed with Viper internals
McLeod modular blowproof SFI approved bellhousing
ATS T56 install kit
McLeod dual disc clutch

Ls6 with a carb and headers 450hp, unless the cam was swaped out also.
its worth what someone is willing to pay for it.

camaro2nv 10-22-2009 07:08 PM

Chris if you want to dump it Pm me a quick sale price.

awr68 10-22-2009 09:37 PM

Chris, how well do those new roof panels fit? Better than say a repop front fender?

phillym5 10-22-2009 10:46 PM

Great detailed pics here.... Thanks for that.
Can't wait to see it at SEMA!!

by the way... your shop is sickly clean. Looks real nice in there.:thumbsup:

Bowtieracing 10-22-2009 11:12 PM

I find this thread wery edjucating . Thanks for all the details Chris.

Please keep us posted when glass , trim and interior goes in. :cheers:

DOOM 10-23-2009 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Aschle (Post 242801)
Please don't take this the wrong way, but why are you guys patching it up? I would think it to be a much better way to go with replacing the whole panel. The here and there patches look to be poorly done (in my eyes). Again, don't take this wrong, it is not in any way a slam on you or your shop, I see some VERY nice rides come out of there, that is why I am posting this. This build does not look like a pro build, more like something a normal guy would do in a garage or shop... Maybe I missed a post or reason? Good luck with the end result !

Jason

Jason, It's as simple as how much time to repair as to how much time to replace. I think this car is a great example. Chris chose to repair the quarter panels,the majority of the panels are in good shape.So repair time is about,lets say 5 hours compaired to the 15++++ hours a side to replace. The roof would take several hours to repair. The time it would take to repair that roof would be much more time than to replace.You also have to take into consideration what the owner wants or has the money for. There is a ton of other factors that go into this equation,budget and parts availability being just some of it. Chris has alot of time and money invested in his name he's not going to put out sh^t work. I think his cars speak for them self.. I hope this helps you understand . :cheers:

RDuke 10-23-2009 07:16 AM

Chris, thanks for posting the build pictures. I don't post a lot here but I felt the need to chime in and note that I find it amazing how critical some people are being on this thread. I'm getting the since that the majority of the critics have never completed multiple cars themselves and actulaly done this type of metal work before. As someone with a dozen or so cars under their belt I wanted to take the time and say how impressed I am with the work you guys are doing in such a short time and the correct decisions you are having to make on the fly. Your work thus far from what I see is top notch and I would be thrilled to have a car built by you guys (if I didn't have the skills/tools to build my own).

Looking forward to the finished product.

fesler 10-23-2009 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DOOM (Post 242933)
Jason, It's as simple as how much time to repair as to how much time to replace. I think this car is a great example. Chris chose to repair the quarter panels,the majority of the panels are in good shape.So repair time is about,lets say 5 hours compaired to the 15++++ hours a side to replace. The roof would take several hours to repair. The time it would take to repair that roof would be much more time than to replace.You also have to take into consideration what the owner wants or has the money for. There is a ton of other factors that go into this equation,budget and parts availability being just some of it. Chris has alot of time and money invested in his name he's not going to put out sh^t work. I think his cars speak for them self.. I hope this helps you understand . :cheers:

I think this will really help with why and how things are done and sometimes you make a decision on the fly and hope for the best. Sometimes it really bites you and you lose big time and other times it works out great. Its usually always faster to fix than replace.

fesler 10-23-2009 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by RDuke (Post 242937)
Chris, thanks for posting the build pictures. I don't post a lot here but I felt the need to chime in and note that I find it amazing how critical some people are being on this thread. I'm getting the since that the majority of the critics have never completed multiple cars themselves and actulaly done this type of metal work before. As someone with a dozen or so cars under their belt I wanted to take the time and say how impressed I am with the work you guys are doing in such a short time and the correct decisions you are having to make on the fly. Your work thus far from what I see is top notch and I would be thrilled to have a car built by you guys (if I didn't have the skills/tools to build my own).

Looking forward to the finished product.

Welcome to the internet, it seems no matter how you do something there is always someone out there that has a better idea or a better way to do it. We are not the best in the world but we are a dam good shop and we build stuff correct. We do what we do because we know what we are doing.

If anyone would like to question how or why we do something I do not have a problem with it. I will show every picture of a build and hide nothing as you can see. That is what sets our shop from most others, we are not afraid to show you guys how to do stuff right and have lots of details to prove what we are doing will look right when finished.

There are a lot of guys that will say that’s not how I would do it or why did you do that and when it comes to building cars there is really no wrong way to do things as long as it’s done right. I just wanted to show you guys the correct way to patch a panel and how to protect it so it won’t rust out again.

I figure that this post was a perfect one for what to watch for, even the best guys can miss stuff when buying a car and that can cost you a ton. This is more to show everyone out there that even a car that looks perfect can have $20K in rust problems and set you back weeks.

This car is nice but had issues, I would have not bought it knowing what I know now. I would have found a clean donor car to work with, one that I know has rust and where it is. I would say that about 80% of everyone selling cars on EBAY and the forums is covering stuff up. I have yet to really buy a car that was as good as stated. That is why I try to always buy stock with as close to original paint as possible.

If nothing else people that have seen this car will now know that there can be bad stuff on every car and it’s hard to find till you really get into it. You live and learn and try to buy better next time. I bought this car mostly for the parts so at the end of the day I got a decent price on a car because I was able to sell off all the parts. Nothing on this car was untouched. New everything

fesler 10-23-2009 09:22 AM

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fesler 10-23-2009 09:23 AM

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fesler 10-23-2009 09:24 AM

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fesler 10-23-2009 09:25 AM

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fesler 10-23-2009 09:26 AM

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fesler 10-23-2009 09:27 AM

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comp-spec 10-23-2009 09:27 AM

Chris, I knew this would be a good one to watch. Like you said everyone can do it better.... Nice pics of the build

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I think your work speaks for itself. I'm sure that car is going to be badass

fesler 10-23-2009 09:37 AM

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fesler 10-23-2009 09:38 AM

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fesler 10-23-2009 09:39 AM

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fesler 10-23-2009 09:40 AM

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fesler 10-23-2009 09:41 AM

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fesler 10-23-2009 09:42 AM

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Rybar 10-23-2009 01:43 PM

Cool thread, thx for showing us the whole build process. :thumbsup:

Awesome to see a car go from start to finish in like 2-3 days :lol:

I could have learned alot from a thread like this years back when I started my project. :yes:

tones2SS 10-23-2009 03:05 PM

As usual, great build guys.
Keep us posted.:thumbsup:

67rstbkt 10-23-2009 03:24 PM

:drool: :drool: That's looking awesome.

Is the headliner custom made? It would be cool to see what's involved in that process.

I have a really dumb question for you. Why build the center console out of metal? Durability?

And thanks for posting all the pics; they help me out with my project.

Aschle 10-23-2009 04:41 PM

OK guys, I feel the need to jump back in this thread to clarify a couple things. I never meant for my post to sound like I was putting down the work being done or come across as someone that can do a better job, that's not the case. I asked the questions for the reason of wanting to get an answer... plain and simple. I began building my 57' Chevy many years back and have yet to finish it, and will begin my 69' Camaro soon. There are a few panels that I chose to "patch" as you guys did and there is a part of me that thinks I didn't do it the "best" way. I see a big name shop doing the same sort of thing I did and it makes me sort of rethink my decision... Maybe my car is done better built than I thought, I have just always viewed "patching" as the cheap and easy way out, not to say it is wrong, but not the 100% best way of repair. Guys, I am only expressing - MY - views, not saying that what I think is the final word in right or wrong, I am not an arrogant person. I appolagize if my post was taken the wrong way, I tried to make it clear I wasn't trying to question your ability or knowledge, only looking for reason. Best of luck finishing the car, it is looking pretty good (alot better than I could do myself)!

Jason

fesler 10-23-2009 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aschle (Post 243053)
OK guys, I feel the need to jump back in this thread to clarify a couple things. I never meant for my post to sound like I was putting down the work being done or come across as someone that can do a better job, that's not the case. I asked the questions for the reason of wanting to get an answer... plain and simple. I began building my 57' Chevy many years back and have yet to finish it, and will begin my 69' Camaro soon. There are a few panels that I chose to "patch" as you guys did and there is a part of me that thinks I didn't do it the "best" way. I see a big name shop doing the same sort of thing I did and it makes me sort of rethink my decision... Maybe my car is done better built than I thought, I have just always viewed "patching" as the cheap and easy way out, not to say it is wrong, but not the 100% best way of repair. Guys, I am only expressing - MY - views, not saying that what I think is the final word in right or wrong, I am not an arrogant person. I appolagize if my post was taken the wrong way, I tried to make it clear I wasn't trying to question your ability or knowledge, only looking for reason. Best of luck finishing the car, it is looking pretty good (alot better than I could do myself)!

Jason

Jason no problem with you asking, sometimes it need a complete replace and sometimes you can just patch the panel if you do it right. Notice how we made our own metal pieces that follow and match the factory perfect that way there is no way to tell once fixed what was touched. our part will be better and stronger than the factory one. Once body worked out metal shapping not filling with bondo everything will be perfect

redfire69 10-24-2009 10:53 AM

Chris, thanks for posting up all of these pics. Nice to see in one continuous thread! Does the air ride 4-link require the trunk floor to be cut for clearance? Was all that cross bracing from air ride? Thanks again, Ron

Hitman 10-24-2009 08:40 PM

I'd say that a large persentage of cars out there are that way. A good paint job has ruined many ambitions. We have a hard time telling people that after we blast the car there won't be much left of it. I'd rather buy a car with sun burnt paint any day over someone elses build. Car looks great now.

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Originally Posted by fesler (Post 242817)
I feel your pain on that. I just dont like buying a rust free can to find rust hiden in hard to get parts. means that the last time they did some work they did not do it right.


BIGCHRIS 02-05-2010 08:20 AM

Badass work there thanks for taking the time to show,i love seing other peoples ways of doing and hands down your stuff looks first class .I also like how you patched alot of places instead of replacing i like to keep as much factory metal as possible thats just me:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

T_Raven 02-06-2010 07:39 AM

Where the heck can I get a one piece carpet like that? I swear I saw them for sale some where but haven't been able to find them again.

BritishGreen68 02-06-2010 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by T_Raven (Post 267579)
Where the heck can I get a one piece carpet like that? I swear I saw them for sale some where but haven't been able to find them again.

i was just looking at those pics thinking that is some nice carpet! Ive put two cheap kits in my car now, getting tired of them fading and wearing out in a year... i think its a custom install...

fleet 02-06-2010 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by BritishGreen68 (Post 267602)
i was just looking at those pics thinking that is some nice carpet! Ive put two cheap kits in my car now, getting tired of them fading and wearing out in a year... i think its a custom install...

Not positive but I think Chris Fesler said its the carpet used in Mercedes.

tones2SS 02-06-2010 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by compos mentis (Post 267604)
Not positive but I think Chris Fesler said its the carpet used in Mercedes.

OHH?!?!?
Shouldn't be too expensive then!!! lolllllll........:willy: :wow:

Richio1 04-11-2010 11:29 PM

Chris - got any updates on this project? Would love to see some more pics... does it happen to have the new 69 Camaro interior panels you just completed by any chance????

tones2SS 04-12-2010 09:13 AM

I believe this car is done.
WHAT A CAR!!:wow: :thumbsup:

diesel1114 04-23-2010 03:58 PM

car is looking amazing i hope you can post more pics :thumbsup:


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