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wedged 04-17-2010 02:30 PM

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1984 camaro 04-17-2010 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DOOM (Post 282723)
Randy I hope you guys can work this out! No sides taken. Mark has been good to use on this forum.Im sure all will be made good. I agree with Greg and Ned .Lets get back to the real issue here.Don't want to see this thread shut down..:cheers:

I hope so to

CRCRFT78 04-17-2010 03:02 PM

I have no side in this pissing match that's going on but can you two either start your own thread or resolve it privately. Too many threads end up like this and get locked because we can't stay on topic with the original post. I for one don't care to continue reading about this personal drama.

Steve1968LS2 04-17-2010 08:08 PM

ANY more comments on that deal will be deleated.. period.


Now lets get back on topic. :)

mciver1959 04-18-2010 09:42 PM

I did see one awesome thing in those mustang pictures.....

the car is parked at BUTTERFLY BEACH, SANTA BARBARA CA one of the greatest beaches in the world!!!!

HA!

jeff s 04-18-2010 09:58 PM

Had a car similar to that, with bondo over newspaper and cardboard stuffed in the frame and bondo'd over. After the battery cable shorted out. The owner went to jack it up with the floor jack, and it colapsed into the frame. Eventually we found a rust free frame and replaced it, big job. The owner had originally bought it from one of the well known movie car dealers in the Chitown area. Actually had a few cars in my shop like that.

fesler 04-19-2010 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DOOM (Post 282301)
Same thing that happend to Andy (MARINE 1) .This is what $80.000 got him and the guy is still in buisness!!!!! Andy still has no car and lots of lawyer bills. The guy basicaly told him to go F@&K HIMSELF!!!!!! Just robbed the man of $80.000. This isn't half the pictures. I went with Andy last year and saw this beauty in person I wanted to puke!!! You should of heard this j@#koff's line's of bulls@#t. You would have thought he was Chip Foose...:mad:

Yeah I heard all about this one at the Super Chevy show, man I feel for some of these people and I want to figure out a way to help stop it. We have to be able to do something together to stop this crap. These people need to be closed down for good and not allowed to work on cars anymore.

fesler 04-19-2010 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by elitecustombody (Post 282367)
there is absolutely nothing wrong with having a small shop building cars,some of the small shop projects can blow away the big shop's finished product,it takes some research and checking out their work in person. Most big shops have big overhead and in the end the customer pays for it,

There will always be crooks and butchers and naive fools with more money than brains, if they have no common sense,they should at least get a proffesional to check the car they are looking to buy.

That Mustang surely wasn't checked ,because putting it on the lift would provide more than enough evidence to stay away from it, because it would turn in horse shoe as soon as the lift or jack touch the rockers or floors of that rust bucket.

I'm simply defending small shops that do quality work,because I actually own a small shop and my customers get alot more than they actually paid for.

Alot of times I find myself fixing someone's half-ass work, and it makes me sick to see some of hack work.

Recent example,a year old Nissan GTR with small ding on fender and quarter panel was repaired and the whole side was painted including both bumpers,not one single piece of trim was removed, not even rear nameplate or the tag brackets ,which are held by 1 Phillip's head screw, there was so much dirt and fisheyes in the paint ,you'd get a better finish in the middle of desert sand storm, the tire dressing that was slung on the wheelwell edges wasn't even wiped off,let alone scuffed, I'm sure most of you get the picture. I've done alot of spot repair on brand new still in plastic cars for a local dealership, they also deal with a big franchise shop ,that had their SUV for over 6 months repairing side damage, in process of repair the vehicle caught on fire from idiots welding, that SUV still ended up at my shop for spot repairs for the damge that the shop caused, and till this day the dealership still takes their cars to that shop

Another example ,last fall I got a call from a guy ,that one of my Supra customers gave my number to, he was looking to buy a built Supra,being a Supra fanatic/collector/builder, I offered to build one for him to his specs,or if he gives me few days I could help him finding one ,but the guy had the patience of a 3 year old, needless to say,1 day fast forward ,he calls me to ask if he can bring his new Supra to check why it doesn't start, I get it in the air to check the stater,the power wire is hanging,lol, the whole underside is covered in fresh oil, crappy paint job ,even the battery got painted halfway,runs,trash,orangepeel, with poor attempt to sand and buff,leaving sanded and not buffed areas, poor fitting body panels,one big mess under the hood, speaker grille on door panels are glued on with some poop glue, Wal-Mart carpet pieces was just thrown in to cover the floor, radio does not work,right window does not go up, trunk floor has so much dirt,rust and gunk as some junk yard truck, radiator has rusty mud instead of coolant.

In less than a month I had to replace all A/C lines,because of crappy install of overflow tank causing the tank to rub through the lines and making a hole, replaced A/C compressor,dryer,expansion valve and pressure switch prior to that, because it locked up,replaced idler pulley ,replaced headlights because they were fogged up and cracking,

Here is the kicker, the guy went by himself to buy this car,paid $35.000 cash and didn't even bother to pop the hood, he even admitted that to me. So I think this kind of fools deserve to be screwed, I would gladly go and check out a car for someone at no charge and I offered it to him.So people like that should blame themselves first and the butchers second.



I've also seen photos of well known shop on here with not so great welds,but I will not point fingers or mention names


Stefan,

We are a small shop as well so I am not knocking on any small shops, I dont ever want to be a large shop because you cant control all this stuff. I know for a fact that with a shop like mine you get a better deal than with most larger shops becuase of all the extras you get in the build because our name is on it.

fesler 04-19-2010 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by elitecustombody (Post 282395)
I think Chris emphasized in post # 6, that small shops can't put out high quality work ,at least that's what I got

OK lets not get all worked up over this I am not baggin on small shops as I am one myself. We only have 5 guys that work on cars so that is small.

DOOM 04-20-2010 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Marine71 (Post 283211)
Has anyone else on this web sight ever been taken for 80 grand and counting for a 69 Camaro? Anyone?

:_paranoid :_paranoid Andy............. Calm down! Do I have to send Curtis over there ???:P Your not alone..

2Bad4Ya 04-20-2010 08:29 AM

I think Chris' original remarks are geared toward a ever growing group of people who have seen the interest in cars spread and are trying to cash in. The television has brought cars into a more mainstream movement with overhaulin, barret jackson auctions on tv, etc...

Robby Ray is sitting there watching Barret Jackson in his lazyboy on the front porch and a light goes on in his head; "Heck that rust bucket out in Ned's field could be worth $$$$, with some bondo and paint. So he proceeds to build a car out of bondo and bailing wire. It will look good for a month or so and then it goes down hill.

We all know someone like this, these are the people I think Chris was targeting.

fesler 04-20-2010 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by 2Bad4Ya (Post 283311)
I think Chris' original remarks are geared toward a ever growing group of people who have seen the interest in cars spread and are trying to cash in. The television has brought cars into a more mainstream movement with overhaulin, barret jackson auctions on tv, etc...

Robby Ray is sitting there watching Barret Jackson in his lazyboy on the front porch and a light goes on in his head; "Heck that rust bucket out in Ned's field could be worth $$$$, with some bondo and paint. So he proceeds to build a car out of bondo and bailing wire. It will look good for a month or so and then it goes down hill.

We all know someone like this, these are the people I think Chris was targeting.

Yes Dead on I am not out to point any fingers or names the guys that do this kind of work know who they are. I just wanted to point out some fine detials on what to look for so it wont happen as much. I know they will go on making crap cars but if everyone buying a car knows what to look for it will make it harder for them.

RECOVERY ROOM 04-20-2010 09:41 AM

There is always going to be those guys, Buyers just need to be careful when buying a car, that is a good point Chris.

Spiffav8 04-20-2010 10:01 AM

So why don't we start a thread and allow Chris and a few of our other talented builders to walk us through the process of buying and building a car. It can start with a simple walk around, when buying. Tricks that are used to cover up the stuff that none of us want to end up with. Then it can move onto picking a shop for our virtual project. One that will build a typical PT type car. They can post pictures and give info that educates us all on what things should look like at every stage of a build.

I doubt we can ever stop people from ripping each other off, but maybe we can help keep this from happening to our members here at LG.

fesler 04-20-2010 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Spiffav8 (Post 283346)
So why don't we start a thread and allow Chris and a few of our other talented builders to walk us through the process of buying and building a car. It can start with a simple walk around, when buying. Tricks that are used to cover up the stuff that none of us want to end up with. Then it can move onto picking a shop for our virtual project. One that will build a typical PT type car. They can post pictures and give info that educates us all on what things should look like at every stage of a build.

I doubt we can ever stop people from ripping each other off, but maybe we can help keep this from happening to our members here at LG.

That is a great idea Curits, I did not start this post to knock any shops. Just to make people aware of bad work. I am getting tired of people bringing cars into my shop like this, it takes way to long to fix and cost double to do. I just want guys to watch what they buy and make sure they check the cars out. Big and small shops need to step it up and work together to help stop this stuff.

DRJDVM's '69 04-20-2010 05:12 PM

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"Heck that rust bucket out in Ned's field could be worth $$$$
Hey now...leave me out of this :)..... the car in my field is pretty nice.....

MWCC 04-20-2010 06:40 PM

Well, I have to agree with Chris' original post in that the bad work out there is becomming more apparent. I think it's mainly because of the mad rush to make fast money when muscle cars (especially Camaro's) started going through the roof several years ago. Before I met Todd, I was building a car for another customer. He had purchased a Camaro online but not ebay. I'd have to say that the car looked as advertised when it arrived. The seller said it was ready to paint with no rust and it looked close to that description when it showed up. Well I saw a small bit of seam sealer on the floor durring disassembly and decided to pick at it. I didn't stop picking until the Car needed a new floor, firewall, outer houses, fenders, etc....you get the picture. The LH door was hitting the "A" pillar so I pulled on it and found a 1/4" gap that was filled with duraglass. Actually, the pillar was no longer attached to the car. The replacement quarters were not even welded to the door jam and they never fixed the wheelhouses. Can't tell you how many times I see guys put quarters on without fixing the wheelhouses. If that customer would have had me just paint the car and not fix it, I'm sure it would have killed him. The lack of welds throughout was incredible. I think a lot of novices have no idea of what "Uni-body" means or even care about safety.

To say the buyer was at fault would be correct to an extent since he didn't pay for an inspection or inspect the car himself. He spent another $10k on the car just to have me fix all the problems. It came from a body shop who filled it full of mud to get it out the door. Just like Chris' friend, they did a great job making it look like all the rust was repaired properly.

I also agree that ebay has a lot of junk, but you do on rare occasion find a good solid car. "Payback" came from ebay and it was a very solid car. I remeber looking at the car for Todd and was very surprised at how good it really was. I told Todd that if he didn't buy the car I would. Like many have already said in this thread, don't go cheap and always personally inspect any facility doing work for you if possible. Customers shell out a lot of money for what they expect to be quality work. There are however customers who want to cut corners to save a buck. I usually tell those customers to find another shop because my name is on the line. I also doubt if they would tell anyone that they told me to do a crappy job. Some shops have no sense of pride because they are rulled by the almighty dollar. I'm a different breed. I do this because I actually like it and take great pride in giving a quality job as I'm sure the shops that are a part of Lat-g do as well.

Here's a few pics of the Camaro I mentioned above.


Both quarters were never welded to the jam
http://i595.photobucket.com/albums/t...m/100_1395.jpg

"A" pillar cob job!
http://i595.photobucket.com/albums/t...m/100_1297.jpg

Nice floor pan repair with Duraglass!
http://i595.photobucket.com/albums/t...m/100_1097.jpg

Northeast Rod Run 04-20-2010 06:57 PM

WOW.... just WOW, is all I can say after reading this whole thread


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