I wouldn't bother with that kit either.

You can mount the tank pretty much anywhere within reason. Usually they go behind the passenger side wheel well. You would just have to get creative on the mount for the oil pump, not sure what else to say. Some custom brackets would be in order id guess. Also the pulley for the belt. After thinking about it a little more, Im not sure that an external pump would be able to stand up to the tension of a serp belt. The belt is usually quite loose so Id bet the bearings/bushings mite fail under the strain

Im thinking about using a dry sump as well because I want space to run 180 degree headers. Id also make a crank scraper while I was doing the pan.

This is getting closer to becoming a real possibility. The only issue is figuring out how to mount the pump. Definitely custom brackets. I need to get back and look at my engine again to see where I can bolt up to. For the "kits" that are out there for the V10, most replace the A/C with the oil pump so a plate mounts to those 3 or 4 bolts, done and done. I want to keep the A/C so I need to find a way to mount it on the passenger side. The only bolt holes available on that side of the block are the motor mounts, cross bolts for the mains, then the bolts for the timing cover. Maybe something that goes up to the motor mount then wraps around to pick up a couple from the timing cover. The $5,500 kit is awesome because it locates the oil pump exactly where I want it but does it with a billet oil pan and mounts machined into the oil pan. Actually, thinking through that, I could weld mounts to the cast pan... Just got easier I think.

Oil pumps are not cheap either! Everything else is reasonable.

But you dont need more that 3 stage pump, you can get one as used nascarstuff selling firm.

In Competition Coupe Vipers pumps where mounted front center under oil pan. There is a made slot for it. Tensioner takes care the belt. Street use should use a belt shield for rock and stuff. Also oil pressure cutoff sensor.

Will, you should make/order new oil pan , you dont need original tall sump pan, just 1.5-2" enough. Then you can put pump under it. Pump is frontplate or side mounted and you can weld tads to side of your oil pan.

Off topick: I got two new big 4.2L twin screws in my shop... :):willy:

Looking forward those twin screws Juhani. Will be a sweet setup!

I've seen some used NASCAR stuff but have only seen one 3-stage pump. Most I've seen are 5 or 6. I'll keep my eye out. There is one on ebay right now that I'm watching. If that can be bought cheap, I could put this together for less than the cost of having a custom pan built. I found a company in the UK that previously built a kit for the Gen 2 Viper using the stock pan, but heavily modified. Using there design as a base for modifying my pan, should be pretty simple. Since you definitely know your way around this motor, where are guys connecting the pressure line to the engine? I'm not sure the location of the pressure supply on the Gen 3, but the pan is different than mine so I presume it is located differently. You may already be familiar with it, but in this pic I'm pointing at the supply to the engine from the stock pan. One option would be to cut the pan down and weld a fitting to inlet to connect an AN line. What have you seen or what are you doing? Thanks Juhani!

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What you are showing is oil exit hole in oil pan going to timing cover, where oil pump is located.

In our engine oil pump is an axial oil pump inside timing cover on the front end of the crank. My engine has an oil pick up tube that is connected to timing cover and from the pump pressurized oil travels in a hose to oil cooler/heat transfer and from there w/hose from there to actual engine block on the driver side front corner below cam line. There is no straight outlet from timing cover to the block.

You got an different oil pan and you dont have old style oil pick up, oil travels in a canal in oil pan and go to oil pump in timing cover. Take a look at your oil pump and your timing cover. I guess your oil entry to the block is on passanger side just where is your oil pressure sensor just over your oil filter and cooler fittings. You could weld or tap a fitting there.

In dry sump should eliminate the use of original oil pump/ pick up an so we dont need to go in oil pan/timing cover. From oil pan to inline filter, then pump scavenge side, there to cooler then tank, from there to pump pressure side, then pressure regulator and another inline filter and in the block we go again.

Simple diagram

http://image.stockcarracing.com/f/92..._schematic.jpg

I would add an secont filter before pump to secure it and pressure regulator an pressure cutoff switch for safety.

Go check the hole article HERE

About my twin screws.. Only one is mine..

Other one is first going on old 426 Hemi.

Or I have to make it happen..

I tryed to add pic but my picture account webside does not open..

Thanks Juhani! I've been doing some research on these systems and I think I have a pretty good handle on what it is and how it works. Now I need to get more detailed on specifics related to the Viper engine, namely eliminating the stock oil pump and where I can supply the pressure to the block from the oil pump. I think you are correct, I believe there are two fittings on top of the oil filter in order to put an oil cooler in the system. I can probably use that for the supply. I need to pick up a service manual for my engine...

Even though I'm not actually the one doing it, progress is progress... A few weeks ago I received what might be the first set of Digi-Tails for the '69 Dart. Pretty pumped about these and am looking forward to getting back and playing with them a bit.
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Also got the first pic today of my custom stainless steel fuel tank. Big thanks to Tincup and edakota (PT.com) for the work on this. Tin took my initial drawings and dimensions and between he and edakota, made it into a useable design. I ordered a fuel module from Vaporworx to run in it, has a built in sump, regulator and fuel level sender. Should work out perfect in my build. Can't wait to see this thing done. After it's finished, it will find it's way for coating in Tennessee before heading up to Grand Rapids. Something else I'm real excited to get playing with. Tin and edakota have been awesome to work with!
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If you're in the market, I highly recommend these guys.

Couple updated pics from Eric on my tank. Still needs the mounting brackets before being sent to Leanna for a paint job... Big thanks to Mike and Eric for this. I'm looking forward to getting back and hanging this.

http://i876.photobucket.com/albums/a...s77/tank-2.jpg

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And the tank is finished, more or less. Still need to add a fitting for the vent tube, but that is on it's way from The GMR. Then off to powder coat. So close to done...

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Bad ass
 

The whole build is amazing, but that hood is out of this world....I am stoked to see this car built.....very nice work.

Thanks. I'm pretty pumped about it myself. I come back a week from Sunday for another thrash. Can't wait!

So I got in Sunday night and have been going on the car since Tuesday. Progress is pretty good, though I wish I was a bit further but I'm still doing well. Here are a few photos, more to come later.

Final engine location... (unless I NEED more cabin space)
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For perspective, the vertical line is the axle centerline, in-line with number one; meaning that the engine is set back quite a ways

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Engine mounts
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On to the rear of the car. Pumpkin mounted
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Almost finished with the rear, need to build the upper shock mounts and the tie rod adjuster mounts
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Bis später!

The rear end is pretty close to finished. Just need to add mounts for the inner tie rods and I'm good to go. Also notice the air tank for the suspension hung behind the pumpkin. I wanted to hang the compressor and valve block there too but I don't have enough room.
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rear suspension from the front
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Front LCA's are built, still need to add a cross brace and the shock mounts (tomorrow)
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Close to having the front suspension finished, just need to add shock mounts and move the rack up 1.5".
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Bis bald...

You do nice work!

Thanks Wayne.

Bada$$

making moves!

Looking good Will. You're on a roll now.

It's looking better by the year Will!! :cheers:

Been pretty quiet in here...
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More when I'm awake enough to post. Back to Zurich tomorrow, had tons of exhausting fun. Big thanks to my friends Dave, Jeff, and Greg for everything, big or small!

So where did I leave off? Yes, front's done, rear's done, back-brace is done, still need to do the front down bars and finish the core support in order to hang the fenders and stuff. Then it's off to body-work. Yes it does ride a bit low, 5" from the ground to the frame; but I've seen others at this height and they seem to be all good. The quarters are not welded in yet and the pinch rail flange has not been cut off so that makes the rear look a bit lower. A lot more to do before it's ready for the body shop, but should be able to get all that done, and then some, the next two weeks I have at Christmas. All in all, I'm real happy with where I'm at on the project. I couldn't have done it without the help of some great guys, Dave, Jeff (droptop73), and Greg (ChopSmitty). All their assistance, big or little, has helped me get this far. Still a few issues to resolve but nothing that will be too ridiculous.I'm already looking forward to the next trip, 9 months from now...

Not the best pics of the back-brace, but you get the idea.
http://i876.photobucket.com/albums/a...7/file-175.jpg

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The hood, man this thing is freaking AWESOME!!! (fenders and hood to resting in place, more or less) BMW Interlagos Blue, sustained some shipping damage but just small stuff.
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The gang, Dave, Myself, and Jeff (not the best lighting, but it was getting dark Saturday evening)
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And a few fun money shots, just for fun

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After rolling it back in the garage with the new doors ('74 doors w/ no wing window, hate those things), 'glass fenders & trunk lid
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That is fantastic Will ! Love the stance down low like that with the wide tires. I pity the car that comes up against yours !!

:thumbsup:

Jim

That's one tired, happy guy. Congrats Will! Looks off the hook :thumbsup:

Wish you didnt have to go off to work every few months. But you wouldnt be able to be building this wicked car! Congrats on getting it thus far, I catn wait till Christmas for you.

Looks killer Will. Love the stance and that hood is awesome.
Keep up the great work.

Thanks guys. I was completely whipped by the end of the trip. In a way, I'm glad it's over. I had a great time though and I can't wait to get back on it. It's tough being away for so long and I often wonder how much I could get done if I were around all the time, but this is what I have to deal with for now, so I'm running with it.

Your vision is really starting to come together! Looking great Will!

Thanks Charlie. Any progress on your ride?

Will great progress man! Thats awesome!

Thanks Gant.

Looking badass - can't wait to see this car done.

Will,

Do you have any updates for us?



--Eric

Hey Eric,
Nothing new on this front unfortunately. I won't be back to work on it until December but am hoping to wrap the chassis up the next time so I can move on to bodywork. A bunch of fab to do. Have been able to pick up a few parts, flywheel, ECU, late model GTO back seat, speedway sway bars, some other tools, and stuff. Had to design a solution for my steering rack issue (engine wants to occupy the same space) and have a something pretty good for that. Just need to get some parts machined and purchase some stupid expensive sleeve bearings. I'm looking forward to getting back to work in a few months. A lot to do... Thanks for checking in.

Lookin forward to December. One of my favorite builds here.

How did December work out for this build?

Sadly December did not work out at all for the project. I stayed in Switzerland through Christmas. Happily, I moved back to the U.S. a week ago and am about to begin thrashing on the car (Tuesday) while looking for work. Will be getting some updates posted this week, real stoked to get working on it again.

Good to hear about the progress, but bad news i guess about work. Hope the job hunt works out well.

I've been back Stateside, permanently, for almost 3 weeks now. I haven't gotten a ton done despite the amount of work I've put in, but I have been productive...

I previously had a problem with steering rack location, it required the same space needed by the engine. In conjunction with multiple persons, I designed up a solution, got a bunch of parts machined, replaced the rack shaft in my rack, and voila, Lord willing it'll work... In conjunction with the rack/steering fix, I used the front sway bar tube as part of my mounting system for the rack. I designed and cut some mounts for the sway bar housing to make mounting einfacher, and it was. Two birds, one(ish) stone.

http://i876.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps6100b92a.jpg

Just in front of the rack is the 2" sway bar housing with the custom brackets on each end. The sway bar is a custom piece from Speedway using roller bearings from Port City Racing rather than solid bushings.

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After that I moved on to getting the new core support built. I bent it up from two pieces of 1-1/4" x .120 wall to almost identically mirror the stock core support. At the same time, I jigged up the fenders so I could locate the mounting holes for those.

http://i876.photobucket.com/albums/a...psa004d113.jpg

Then made some brackets to capture the front fender mounts as well as brackets to bolt it up to the frame rail.

http://i876.photobucket.com/albums/a...psa93bc3aa.jpg

And there you have it.

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Next up are forward tubes from the firewall to the core support, the final bar for the fender mounting holes plus custom brackets running from the forward tubes to the fender mounting bar stock. Then done and done up front, hope to have that stuff finished up next week, and moving on to the cockpit.

looks sweet, love the rack.