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radrambler 12-19-2011 02:57 PM

Chicayne
 
"Chicayne"
one of the coolest street machines ever.(:hail: Dan H.). Is Green.. two shades of Green. in the pic above it looks grey but its not..
62 is a Great Body.. love the brown tones I think you have a great plan Greg!

Tom

Jr 12-19-2011 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 385022)
Still can't figure out why they used the ugly body (a post) for that build...

Rajah will have to answer the roof whacking question... we've talked about it - but I'm really trying to stay away from a bunch of useless money wasting body mods... I just don't think the car needs much. "Much" being the operative word.

Leave the roof alone. This is being built as a badass driver, not a show queen.

I do love chicane! That is one sweet ride!

Jr 12-19-2011 03:33 PM

Did you go with the rear 1:1 cog pulley for that 2300 supercharger?

slownova 12-19-2011 03:53 PM

Maybe it got said, but if you're trying to make it like the AMG S63, why not use that engine? It would fill that engine bay perfect. But I understand you're probually just trying to show the LS bolt in of the chassis, and go with a proven platform probually huh? The 7 speed and new 5.5 bi-turbo motor in the 2011's would be wicked...

GregWeld 12-19-2011 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slownova (Post 385039)
Maybe it got said, but if you're trying to make it like the AMG S63, why not use that engine? It would fill that engine bay perfect. But I understand you're probually just trying to show the LS bolt in of the chassis, and go with a proven platform probually huh? The 7 speed and new 5.5 bi-turbo motor in the 2011's would be wicked...


If we were building a Riddler car - that would be "the ticket" - but we're building an "every mans" car - one that can be built by anyone... that is friendly that way. LS/blower motor - simple crate stuff - A chassis from Ironworks - nothing too trick in the body - some billet stuff for "bling" and to make it a bit 'wow' - but not overdone...

BTW -- a replacement motor for my car is like $53 GRAND.... and at that price - I'd buy something really badass unless Mercedes was going to be a sponsor! :D

slownova 12-19-2011 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 385046)
If we were building a Riddler car - that would be "the ticket" - but we're building an "every mans" car - one that can be built by anyone... that is friendly that way. LS/blower motor - simple crate stuff - A chassis from Ironworks - nothing too trick in the body - some billet stuff for "bling" and to make it a bit 'wow' - but not overdone...

BTW -- a replacement motor for my car is like $53 GRAND.... and at that price - I'd buy something really badass unless Mercedes was going to be a sponsor! :D

fair enough.

ironworks 12-19-2011 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 385022)
Still can't figure out why they used the ugly body (a post) for that build...

Rajah will have to answer the roof whacking question... we've talked about it - but I'm really trying to stay away from a bunch of useless money wasting body mods... I just don't think the car needs much. "Much" being the operative word.

No plan to wack the roof. But we might chop the windshield just a bit but not lower the overall height. I have thought about rolling the top of the windshield line forward just a bit, kinda give it the hair club for men treatment. In other words get rid of the balding man look they can tend to have.

coolwelder62 12-19-2011 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ironworks (Post 385055)
No plan to wack the roof. But we might chop the windshield just a bit but not lower the overall height. I have thought about rolling the top of the windshield line forward just a bit, kinda give it the hair club for men treatment. In other words get rid of the balding man look they can tend to have.

Before you wack up the roof, sell me the car and I will save it.

fleet 12-19-2011 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ironworks (Post 385055)
No plan to wack the roof. But we might chop the windshield just a bit but not lower the overall height. I have thought about rolling the top of the windshield line forward just a bit, kinda give it the hair club for men treatment. In other words get rid of the balding man look they can tend to have.

Sounds like a smart fix for that hereditary condition that plagues all bubbleheads. ;)

In the rendering (which I know do not always convey even a close representation of the vehicle), it looked like the top has been chopped.

So I wanted to see if that was intentional or not. Thanks for clearing that up.

cencalc6 12-19-2011 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ironworks (Post 385055)
No plan to wack the roof. But we might chop the windshield just a bit but not lower the overall height. I have thought about rolling the top of the windshield line forward just a bit, kinda give it the hair club for men treatment. In other words get rid of the balding man look they can tend to have.

lol! like the way you put that :thumbsup:

ironworks 12-19-2011 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by compos mentis (Post 385073)
Sounds like a smart fix for that hereditary condition that plagues all bubbleheads. ;)

In the rendering (which I know do not always convey even a close representation of the vehicle), it looked like the top has been chopped.

So I wanted to see if that was intentional or not. Thanks for clearing that up.

Well I have a different view on renderings, Greg and I discussed this a few days ago. Renderings are just a basic view the direction of the car. They are not an exact cut list on how to build a car to get this desired rendering appearance. They provide a direction and give the owner a sample of what certain things might look like. Enough to make some decisions on things they may like or not like. Renderings help customer that are struggling to visualize what a builder is suggesting or vice versa.

The thing is you could hire the best designer/artist on the planet to design up the project on paper for you and the project could end up not looking like what was drawn for a few reasons. It may not be possible, I see lots of cars that have some crazy bad ass stance and there is no way that car could ever be built let alone driven. Then sometimes what looks good on paper does not look so good in person. It really comes down to the guy doing the work, if he does not have a sense of how to make something look right or have someone to tell him what is too much or not not enough. Then it makes it tough to see the rendering through to a proper end result.

The last thing I have found is with the computer age, what some artist draws and put on paper might be 100% perfect to scale and proportion but when they scan it into the computer and then somebody resizes it to make it fit a certain picture size and then somebody uploads that pic to say photobucket and then somebody views it on their jumbo monitor and another guy views it on his flip phone's tiny screen. You really have no idea what is what. I have seen customers spend money with artists to try and get this 100% perfect proportion rendering and that is great if you want to hang on the mantle. But if all your looking for is a road map what does it matter, because your just wasting time and money. Most artists get 400-1000 bucks to do a few views, and at say 40-50 bucks an hour that is just a few hours spent on each rendering. I prefer to work with a few different artists and I pick them for ideas and their style not always for a perfect hand drawn sketch. I picked Sean Smith on this project for his ideas that push the envelope. He does not care about what is normally done. Sometimes he wants to push too far and sometimes that idea that is too far is just right when you think about it for a while.
We also hired a second artist who gave us some ideas, but I have not seen any sketches. I picked him for his restrained ideas. Both Greg and I thought it might be a good idea to have one more idea guy in the discussion. So far both guys have kicked in some great ideas. The headlights and taillights on this car will be killer due to both guys.

I find it is easier to build a crazy over the top anything goes car. One where they just throw the laundry list at it. But it is hard to maintain the original design that made a care so sought after but yet improve upon that original design but not go TOO far. There are lots of cars that I think go too far. But like the old saying goes there is a girl for every guy and a guys for every girl. And some guys like FAT CHICKS.

I did want to say publicly that Sean Smith (http://www.seansmithdesigns.com/) knocked the side view of this car out of the park and some of his ideas have been pivotal for this project. Just seeing what Greg and I had discussed in a rendering has really helped Greg and I come up with new ideas and really helped us communicate ideas and get a handle on the direction and vibe of this build.

RECOVERY ROOM 12-19-2011 07:49 PM

[QUOTE=

BTW -- a replacement motor for my car is like $53 GRAND.... and at that price - I'd buy something really badass unless Mercedes was going to be a sponsor! :D[/QUOTE]



Wussy :lol:

GregWeld 12-19-2011 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RECOVERY ROOM (Post 385112)
Wussy :lol:



Trust me! I tried to go there... but Rodger is right -- that isn't what we're trying to build. That's why we all need sounding boards. I was getting all jacked up and he was putting on the brakes. I like that!

But I've been thinking about a 100K interior.... :rofl:

fleet 12-20-2011 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 385118)
But I've been thinking about a 100K interior.... :rofl:

Count on it...cuz that's the going rate to have one done with some fine Corinthian leather.


:lol:

Payton King 12-20-2011 08:00 AM

Sorry to be late to the party Greg
 
Looking forward to this build. One of my all time fav body styles

GregWeld 12-20-2011 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by compos mentis (Post 385151)
Count on it...cuz that's the going rate to have one done with some fine Corinthian leather.


:lol:


Thanks for chiming in RICARDO!!:rofl:

GregWeld 12-20-2011 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Payton King (Post 385153)
Looking forward to this build. One of my all time fav body styles

Pull up a chair and put your party hat on big boy!

:D

fleet 12-20-2011 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ironworks (Post 385111)
Well I have a different view on renderings, Greg and I discussed this a few days ago. Renderings are just a basic view the direction of the car. They are not an exact cut list on how to build a car to get this desired rendering appearance. They provide a direction and give the owner a sample of what certain things might look like. Enough to make some decisions on things they may like or not like. Renderings help customer that are struggling to visualize what a builder is suggesting or vice versa.

The thing is you could hire the best designer/artist on the planet to design up the project on paper for you and the project could end up not looking like what was drawn for a few reasons. It may not be possible, I see lots of cars that have some crazy bad ass stance and there is no way that car could ever be built let alone driven. Then sometimes what looks good on paper does not look so good in person. It really comes down to the guy doing the work, if he does not have a sense of how to make something look right or have someone to tell him what is too much or not not enough. Then it makes it tough to see the rendering through to a proper end result.

The last thing I have found is with the computer age, what some artist draws and put on paper might be 100% perfect to scale and proportion but when they scan it into the computer and then somebody resizes it to make it fit a certain picture size and then somebody uploads that pic to say photobucket and then somebody views it on their jumbo monitor and another guy views it on his flip phone's tiny screen. You really have no idea what is what. I have seen customers spend money with artists to try and get this 100% perfect proportion rendering and that is great if you want to hang on the mantle. But if all your looking for is a road map what does it matter, because your just wasting time and money. Most artists get 400-1000 bucks to do a few views, and at say 40-50 bucks an hour that is just a few hours spent on each rendering. I prefer to work with a few different artists and I pick them for ideas and their style not always for a perfect hand drawn sketch. I picked Sean Smith on this project for his ideas that push the envelope. He does not care about what is normally done. Sometimes he wants to push too far and sometimes that idea that is too far is just right when you think about it for a while.
We also hired a second artist who gave us some ideas, but I have not seen any sketches. I picked him for his restrained ideas. Both Greg and I thought it might be a good idea to have one more idea guy in the discussion. So far both guys have kicked in some great ideas. The headlights and taillights on this car will be killer due to both guys.

I find it is easier to build a crazy over the top anything goes car. One where they just throw the laundry list at it. But it is hard to maintain the original design that made a care so sought after but yet improve upon that original design but not go TOO far. There are lots of cars that I think go too far. But like the old saying goes there is a girl for every guy and a guys for every girl. And some guys like FAT CHICKS.

I did want to say publicly that Sean Smith (http://www.seansmithdesigns.com/) knocked the side view of this car out of the park and some of his ideas have been pivotal for this project. Just seeing what Greg and I had discussed in a rendering has really helped Greg and I come up with new ideas and really helped us communicate ideas and get a handle on the direction and vibe of this build.

Great info...that's why you da Rajah. :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 385155)
Thanks for chiming in RICARDO!!:rofl:

Muchas Gracias, Seņor!


http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k1...tar-trek-2.jpg

Gandalf 12-20-2011 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ironworks (Post 384264)
Here is shot of the Magnuson Super charger bolted to the LSX-376 with the Wegner front drive system meant for these blowers. It runs the blower belt behind the water pump and relocates the drive system forward. The valve covers are from Katech. The engine will be DBW and will incorporate our new line of wiring harness's that will come wrapped and equipped with mil-spec connectors.
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...Oct2011351.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...Oct2011350.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...Oct2011349.jpg

Now that's HOT! Nice ol' boat of Greg's that it's going in and all but that is a sweet looking LSX setup right there.

Looking forward to watching this build - Ironworks quality build all the way!

Gregg

RECOVERY ROOM 12-20-2011 08:44 AM

We will use the foreskins of the Yaks on the north side of a very secret location in China...very rare stuff indeed. Greg has to go over and hunt them down and get it

radrambler 12-20-2011 09:50 AM

Omg
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RECOVERY ROOM (Post 385170)
We will use the foreskins of the Yaks on the north side of a very secret location in China...very rare stuff indeed. Greg has to go over and hunt them down and get it

LMFAO...:rofl: :rofl: TRACY.. that was awesome... instead of" bling factor" it will be called" schwing factor" on the interior.... :lol:

Tom

Ketzer 12-20-2011 10:11 AM

I have often heard that northern chinese yak foreskins are veeery supple.... almost as nice as pleather.


Jeff-

Kendall Burleson 12-20-2011 01:23 PM

This is going to be good.:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

RECOVERY ROOM 12-20-2011 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ketzer (Post 385190)
I have often heard that northern chinese yak foreskins are veeery supple.... almost as nice as pleather.


Jeff-

When you need the seat to adjust up, Just rub the sides:unibrow:

GregWeld 12-20-2011 04:10 PM

Sounds to me like the seats could be a bit stiff.

I was thinking of baby Naugahs... and have the inserts be chicken buttholes and skin off the feet.

Sieg 12-20-2011 04:35 PM

Don't forget elephant scrotum, one sack should equal at least 40 yak.

tones2SS 12-20-2011 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ironworks (Post 384264)

Wow!:drool:

Gandalf 12-20-2011 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 385244)
Don't forget elephant scrotum, one sack should equal at least 40 yak.

LMAO!!! :rofl:

coolwelder62 12-20-2011 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 385244)
Don't forget elephant scrotum, one sack should equal at least 40 yak.

That would SUCK having to shave your interior every morning before work.:rofl:

ironworks 12-20-2011 05:27 PM

Wow this thread has completely gone down hill. If "Brian" was here he would have something to say to all of you......


FYI - Brian is an inside joke from a post a long time ago.

Autokraft 12-20-2011 05:36 PM

Man that is going to be a sweet ride :hail:

War 12-20-2011 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autokraft (Post 385261)
Man that is going to be a sweet ride :hail:

The Yak Sak or Chicken Buttholes? What the hell was this thread about?

Autokraft 12-20-2011 07:06 PM

Let me clarify, that "Car" is going to be a sweet ride! lol:lol:

skatinjay27 12-20-2011 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ironworks (Post 385258)
Wow this thread has completely gone down hill. If "Brian" was here he would have something to say to all of you......

lol!
butafter he says it he wont read any reply's after that so dont even bother!

ironworks 12-22-2011 09:50 AM

Greg's Bubble top is progressing nicely. We have been working on some details as my guys are getting the sheetmetal together. We have set up a rough mock up of the chassis to fine tune the ride height we are looking for on this project. I have a few ideas to be able to make the car sit even lower and make the frame a bit stronger. So here is some of the basic mock up we started with. These are 19's and 20's. I'm entertaining running a 20" and 21" wheel combo so we don't have to custom make the 19" front. Plus I think we have left some of the traditional look behind with the vibe of the car and could go from 45 and 40 series tires to 35 and 30 and still not have the tires look like rubber bands.

http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...Dec2011007.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...Dec2011004.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...Dec2011003.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...Dec2011002.jpg

Here is the start of the fuel tank we are building that will use the Vaporworks fuel system. We will be using the CTS-V fuel pump in the stainless tank with multiple fuel pick ups. We will be relocating the tank from underneath the car and in the way, up and into the trunk. It should be about 24 gallons if my math is correct.
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...c2011001-2.jpg

These are the baffles
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...c2011002-2.jpg

GregWeld 12-22-2011 10:32 AM

Get your sorry ass back out there and take some photos from your KNEES.... so the rest of us can get a REAL VIEW of the stance!!

You can pretend you're kneeling to kiss my azz.... :rofl:

ironworks 12-22-2011 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 385547)
Get your sorry ass back out there and take some photos from your KNEES.... so the rest of us can get a REAL VIEW of the stance!!

You can pretend you're kneeling to kiss my azz.... :rofl:

I would but these pics are from a few weeks ago. We had to slow down on your project to work on a more important customers project.....

GregWeld 12-22-2011 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ironworks (Post 385551)
I would but these pics are from a few weeks ago. We had to slow down on your project to work on a more important customers project.....



Oh yeah -- I forgot about Tylers 50/50

ironworks 12-22-2011 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 385553)
Oh yeah -- I forgot about Tylers 50/50


Don't worry your right below him. But he is not the top of my list.

fleet 12-22-2011 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ironworks (Post 385551)
I would but these pics are from a few weeks ago. We had to slow down on your project to work on a more important customers project.....

This is ... touche.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 385553)
Oh yeah -- I forgot about Tylers 50/50

This is touche on steroids!


:lol:


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