How many people need to get screwed over by him for this to be true in your eyes? Seems pretty cut and dry to me...

it is cut and dried..... re read my post of emails... someone takes your money, dosnt place the order ,, repeatedly tells you there coming, then says there here ready to ship.. some of you guys need a reality check,, thats a thief all day long..
and on the facebook thing , he sent me 2 PMs there yesterday and today.only because i hassled him and my other point when he was MIA he was posting family pics on there while this was going on so i knew he was reading this stuff being a computor and all. Pretty simple.

im thinking we need to all get together with some kind of register with details of moneys stolen, dates ect ,,it will hold more weight if needed by some if this goes further.Any ideas how to set that up? he needs to pay for this.

Hey Gav,I tried the whole legal threat thing with him and all I got for an answer was (quote) Well at least I wont have to deal with it.

driverz inc/new gen wheels suck ballz

Well there ya have it!!!:lol:



Hey -- can you work today and get me my 9" Ford done for Rudy's Camaro?

Maybe if they did you wouldn't feel so bad about all the money they were taking from you.

LMFAO! :rofl:

Where is Jon????? Is NEW GEN taking a **** as well????

It's pretty simple.

Not proved in court but silence is acquiescence when the contract is implied and the question is asked. Jon sure is silent for someone who used to post here every day.

NewGen is Driverz, Inc, Travis was Jon but then Jon became Travis and your money became Jon's and Jason got mad because someone told everyone that Jason told him that Jon was Travis and NewGen is Driverz, Inc.

So simple a caveman can do it.

Now that right there is golden folks.

I've been reading these threads for the last couple hours, between this and the whole prodigy customs deal it's definitely a bit of an eye opener. I feel bad for the guys posting on protouring commenting on how sweet newgen wheels are and spending thousands with Frank, but are completely oblivious to their past dealings as they (the mods) just delete any post that questions them.
Shady business for sure. Glad to see the truth is told here.

Yeah --- and other than the poor OP (Original poster) who is going to have some issues, perhaps, getting his money back...

The rest of us have at least had some fun raggin' on these DB's :woot:

Have you seen the PT.com Feedback forum?

http://www.pro-touring.com/forumdisp...p?121-Feedback

It's been in place for over a year.

^ Thanks for pointing that out. I had not seen the negative feedback for driverzinc there.

I was referring more to Newgen wheels being a sponsor on protouring and threads like these - http://www.pro-touring.com/showthrea...-Check-it-out!

Correct me if I am mistaken as I very well may be but the fellow "Jon" responsible for alot of the ish that happened with driverz is now running newgen? Similiar in construction when you steal so much money from home owners you just start up a new company with a new name. If I was a mod/admin of protouring I would want to have nothing to do with the character.

I have deliberated about posting in this speculation/character assassination-fest, for fear of being branded a "cheerleader" of sorts, but let me put this in a different light...

Let imagine perhaps someone was trying to run a vehicle customization/retail shop as well as starting up a wheel designing brand. After trying to compete in the Walmart based world of internet car part sales, you find yourself behind, but not screwing customers over. So you decide to split the companies (no small legal feat in CA) and find a young up and comer to take over the retail portion of the business. To your knowledge the deal is going through, bank accounts are being transferred to the new parties, and the new guy is taking orders, but not filling them, and the accounts are signed over, so you have no means of tracking or accessing the monies. After weeks of the money coming in and no parts going out, the guy cleans out the accounts and backs out of the deals. You now have a huge liability, a guy that has access to all of your assets and has been stealing from your customers for the last 3 months.
So the best thing you can do is suspend your business license so he can no longer conduct business under your or your companies name, grab a moving truck and take everything that isn't bolted down and put it in your garage before it ends up on eBay or craigslist. Then hire the best lawyer that money can buy and sit back and watch the wonderful world of the Internets tear you and your livelihood asunder.

Now I'm not saying that this is what happened, but since we are all throwing out wild accusations, I figured I'd try too.

What I can state as a FACT is that in the last 4 weeks I have bought and paid for products from JON at NEWGEN WHEELS, received all products (in person) in a timely fashion, and as recently as 2 weeks ago.

What I have seen on the forums is orders placed through Travis (a real person) or Jon (on behalf of Driverz to ensure a smooth transition of his former company) that were not filled. And a bunch of rightly pissed off people with no money and no parts. File a complaint with your CC company, and good luck in your future penny-pinching endeavors.

Just a thought. I wish all parties involved the best.

Anything is possible, and I am not one of the people who got screwed out of money. I am just an outsider pointing out some inconsistencies to help those who did get screwed. The two problems I see with your theory are this;

1. There are several customers who ordered through Jon and paid long before Jon left the company in some cases several months who have no product and no return of their money.

2. There are customers who ordered wheels through this alleged new owner yet their paypal payments went to Jon@driverzinc.

Andrew, no problem.

As you've noticed, the YellowBullet claims about PT.com and deleted posts weren't exactly accurate. :cheers:

Anyway, NewGen's status on PT.com is under review. We'll make a decision this coming week.

jp

I bet if you were one of the ones with $6000.00 out and no money or product you wouldn't be posting this.
I placed a order at 05:00PM on wheels for my 57, called the next morning 08:00 had Jon cancel the order, only to find out 10 days later from my credit card bill that he somehow charged it, and it was still on there. Took 2 weeks and filing a dispute with my credit card company to get my money back. When I talked to him he blamed it on the transition, then he quit taking my calls. And yes I fill lucky, I would hate to try to deal with this from Australia.

WTF does "penny-pinching" have to do with this? They (the customer) would have been given a price for whatever they're buying... and they'd then send payment IN FULL... and then --- Golly gee gosh -- they'd just expect to get the products they bought AND PAID FOR...


Where did penny pinching come into it?

does anyone know who Jon would have placed my american racing wheels order with? he claims they were ordered but not paid for? this may be another untruth, but id like to call some one to check,, maybe my wheels are some where and still available? wheelpros, or american racing? its hard to find any phone contact details for any of these companys.

any one help?

Gav

yes , 'the penny pinching' comment was unwarranted ,, another 'cheerleader perhaps?

Who transfers power before the deal closes? That is the real problem.

Do you read what you write before you hit post?
 

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guys, unless the transfer was a lie, there is NO shady business. if he took your money with the intent to close the business then i totally agree. if he planned to transfer, thought he transfered and then travis backed out it would set anyone back. do you guys really expect him not to take orders a few months from a planned transfer? how is that supposed to be smooth?

and saying jon is travis is just plain stupid at this point. multiple people have commented that they met the guy. lets give up the bs and try and stay with the facts we have.

i only speak out since i had some first hand experience with my wheel order and working with the guy in charge of actually making them. rushforth and jon had nothing to do with my delay even though jon sold me the wheels and its rushforths company. i could have called jon all day long and bitched like others do, but it wouldnt have done any good. hes not making the wheels and hes not in anything but phone contact with the guy that is. i still dont understand why so much blame gets put on these vendors for delays. if they dont send your money off and instead pocket it or screw something up its one thing, but to answer calls all day long for something thats not your fault sucks.

i too hope jon comes on here and comments. even an excuse about lawyers would be better than nothing. and until a cc comany denies a claim, no one is out anything but time and peace. well thats unless youre like me and paid to have your wheels balanced and the fronts never got done. count me as being owed 20 bucks.

i feel for you and i really hope you get your money back, but calling him names isnt cool here. thats what makes this site the best. we should be able to have conversations with differing opinions without all the bs that other sites allow.

To say a business is under new ownership and give them access to the money BEFORE the deal is sealed is on one person, JON. He is responsibe for protecting the assets of HIS business until he's no longer the legal owner.

Who knows that real truth but with a suspended business license, no website, no facebook account, and no response, it's not good. That I can guarantee. I have no pony in this parade but I hate to see good people get taken to the cleaners.

ive never owned a bus or taken bus classes, but i assume thats entry level stuff right there. i too hope everyone gets every penny back and i hope guys dont get too angry at others over this. the "cheerleaders" know him better than others and are just holding out hope that this isnt what it appears. i can promise you that no one will be a cheerleader if the truth matches the accusations above.

Bingo. Jon's business his responsibility. His lack of public response says it all.

I like PT.com as well but there is little doubt that the structure of the feedback system functions to kill threads asap that might be negative about the vendors.

Between the fast thread death and being so far down the list that it is never seen I know I assumed it was not intended to be a source of serious information about vendors.

No offense intended.

I know these forums are a business and it never pays to poke at the people who pay a lot of the bill. However, as a consumer it does make it more difficult to find legitimate information when good experiences are talked about on the front page in depth and negative experiences are stored at the proverbial back of the book and kept as short as possible effectively locking threads.

You're wrong. No offense intended.

The Feedback forum functions as a place for direct interaction between consumers and vendors. It's intent is to provide a transparent place for such conversations, with a secondary effect of building a searchable database about vendors. If you have a look today, you'll see several threads about Driverz, and if you search, you'll find a dozen or more complaints over the past year.

Many of the people who have had issues were well before any transfer of the company, and I certainly think it's possible Travis just backed out of the sale after probably getting so many calls and finding out how things weren't ordered, he backed out smartly.

That is very possible. Intent i always tricky to make a guess at and why I only stated that as my opinion based on the observation.


However, the functional effect of tilting the playing field in favor of discussion of the deals that do work while minimizing discussion of failures still holds true. I again admit that is a difficult thing to balance in the shoes of someone running the website.

i still dont get how some people still give him(Jon) the benifit of the doubt ? how cut and dried is Jon Henson emailing me back and saying he has the wheels there in the shop ready to ship (the week before he said he was driving to AR to pick them up !),, but he hasnt shipped. he took my money 2 months before this and made me believe they were coming. No money No product. he says he dosnt have my wheels or my money.. you work that into your doubts,, these are facts i can backup with dated, hard documentation. Theres more i have taken in private msgs from others, but not my place to disclose.

A couple of my thoughts since anyone and everyone is throwing down. :)

1. Some people are not meant to run businesses. Ever. Some are meant to work for others (absolutely nothing wrong with that).

2. I do not know or claim to know what happened with Driverz/Jon/Travis/NewGenWheels... but I got 2 key words for ya'all... AMATEUR HOUR!!!

3. Lat G runs this forum better than anyone out there with regard to sponsor management. The PT forum runs theirs like they need the sponsors' money (not saying they actually do).

another thing ,, can someone tell where he would order his AR rims from? i need contact asap? someone should know..:(

Not only does this Jon character seem like A downright thief...I'm going to go ahead and call him a COWARD! guy needs to man up and take accountability for the money he has deliberately ripped off from hard working car enthusiasts! I'm glad I hadnt bought anything from the clown..but my younger brother did and had he been ripped off..I'd already be on my way to corona to "physically" collect my loses! Cheers

I hope I am not over stepping my boundaries here but I want to try and clear some things I have seen up close and personal over the last few months. Yes I worked at Driverz and left the company end of November. It was just not working out. That being said, there is absolutely nothing I can do to help get people any money back. Wish I could and I do feel bad for people who are currently involved.

Jon is not Travis and Travis is not Jon. That is complete non-sense. All I know is Travis was committed to buying to Driverz Inc earlier in the year, came into the office, posted he was the owner, become the owner, then decided he wanted out after a lot of money was committed to the cause. Jon made some bad business decisions and is paying the cost for putting his trust into people who turned out to not be trust worthy. Unfortunately, customers who had money spent with the company are also having to deal with the fall out. Driverz Inc is no more and in its wake Jon stands to lose everything from his personal car to his house. I know he was doing everything he could to fill orders but literally bled the well dry. I am not even sure Jon can post anything due to lawyers being involved. It a freakin mess. I am not making excuses just posting what I know.

If you have an order in, charge it back. Pretty cut and dry. Charge it back.

The penny pinching comment was in fact my opinion on poor purchasing practices. I choose to deal with local vendors whenever possible, and when ever I did business with Jon, it was to buy New Gen products. If that is not feasible, I buy direct from the manufacturer. If they do not facilitate that business model, I shop elsewhere. I'll pay a premium to eliminate a middleman. So yes, in my opinion, the people who sit around on the internet, waiting for the next "we've found some random excuse to undercut our competitors to try and make a buck by selling bulk sale!" to buy a product they obviously can't afford are "penny pinchers".

As you put, "buyer beware." Which is funny, because legally, that has not been the precedent in this country since tort law was established. However, seeing as how you continue to inject yourself into an issue where as you have yourself admitted; you have no personal vested interest I'm sure you'll have some quip response that trys to pick out some minuscule and irrelevant portion of my post to try to validate your irrelevant posting into this issue.

Carry on guttersnipe!

I would be scared to death to have another person's hard earned money. Woof.

That would be very scary and stressful.

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