Cris,

Thanx for the picture. I think I can actually see why the Vette does make downforce on the corners. It almost looks like the curve rolls down before it attaches to the splitter.

But looking at the piece on the Camaro, at the angles of the pictures at least, it doesn't look like that piece in front of the tire angles back down before where it will attach. It's hard to tell without it all assembled though.

Not trying to be critical, just wanting to learn.

Thanx!

Bryan- Its all good.. I am in a big learning curve right now myself with what I am doing on this spoiler..

Earlier I got off the phone with Ben Hermance & we were discussing the difference between new cars vs. old.. The newer cars have boxier look on the bottoms or squared off that it makes it difficult to mess with classic lines of Muscle cars.. Today I was thinking how a Camaro would like with a nose cone like the one Mopar did with the Daytona.. LOL! No matter what we do.. We have a challenge..

What I spent looking @ this weekend was different configurations of spoiler designs.. The one that kept popping up was the one they did for 70 & up Trans Ams that would conform to the way the 68 Camaro was designed on the fender extensions to the lower valance.. Take into consideration that we cut up the fender extension so that it would square up a bit instead of radius in so sharp.. This is how I see things in my head.. If I can keep the air away from hitting or deflect it away the front tire it will create less drag.. the front fender extension for the spoiler or tire deflector.. don’t have a firm name for it yet.. It is made of two pcs.. where it mounts on the wheel well opening it is flat with a radius.. the front side is has an angle so that when the air hits it .. it tries to find a way to deflect or push it out to the sides.. I tried to capture a picture of it but it is not being very photogenic.. let me get further with some more fabrication.. try to envision a spoiler extension on a Trans Am.. That is how we did it but with a twist to it..

In the end .. will it work? I hope so or at least help it some.. Maybe we can get Marty to spring for some wind tunnel time!

here is a better shot of the side view... I think :D

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...n/IMG_3038.jpg

A friend of mine called me earlier & said the corners looked like something out of the Batmobile... So here it is with a radius @ the bottom corner..

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...n/IMG_3039.jpg

Looks like an over sized 78 Trans Am spoiler and wheel flairs. :thumbsup:

Cris, I would like to see your car with front spoiler, vs a stock camaro in the wind tunnell, I am workin on 69 also and thought of trying to incorporate newer technology into the old one. Like you said the body shapes are so different, Look at the bottom of a dodge viper sometime they have a plate that covers the bottom of the car that helps control airflow. Also the vette pics I read once that the rear spoiler puts 1000 lbs on the rear of the viper. I am not a big fan of the big spoiler on the back but that would make a big difference in the 50/50 weight, anyway looks good keep after it you will get it!

Menawhile, as all us car guys are debating windtunnel performance of batwing spoilers and the strength of fabricated uprights....when did the car get a blower motor? Did I miss something??

Thanks Blake! thinking about doing it to all four corners of the car.. what you think? you got a good eye for this stuff

We will see how it all works.. Plans are for some type of blade spoiler for the rear..

Nothing gets by you Ron.. You know all the threads by memory! :lol: This car is a 67 that I borrowed to make our front spolier/splitter..

I like the look
 

Do you plan on putting a splitter on it as well or leaving as is?

We are doing a splitter for it too! here is what it is looking like so far... Plus Carl Casnova came in today to look @ the design & give us some ideas for some testing...

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Looking good Cris! Definitely going to give it a road racie feel. Good on you for pushing the envelope and us out of the comfort zone :thumbsup:

Looks great guys! are you leaving it aluminum/steel using it as a mold/plug for carbon or fiberglass? I know that the off the shelf one is close to the look you have :cheers:

Rod- This is a steel pcs for a mold to be pulled off..

If I had a camaro I would buy that!

Looking good Chris. :thumbsup: Considering an element for the front of the rear wheel opening?

http://www.firebirdfever.com/images/70taiii.jpg

Thanks Bryce!

Let's just say that Ben Hermance is working on the rendering to see how a rocker extension will look to cover the wheel well openings.. Tough though.. We don't want to take the classic look away..

These two cars are giving me some ideas for 67-68 Camaros...

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...34441034_n.jpg

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...1a-640x364.jpg

Agreed, definitely not easy to get it "right" but if you can pull it off it could be very good in a retro-blend way. Those '70 TA's have captivated my eye since they first hit the showroom floor and they continue to do so. :thumbsup:

This is the car that has given me some ideas
 

Chris

What kind of car is this ?

Heck if you want I can sell you a brand new 2010 Challenger Body in White so you can have JCG build it for you. Cheep $5500.00

Somebody needs to do this!!!
G.

I think it's a 240/260/280 Z, but I'd love to see some more info on it!

Nissan 280Z

JCG C6 Upright
 

We finally got to build our uprights for our suspension! Our weld fixture worked great & took about 45 minutes to fix & weld the first prototype.. I have a car that we will be bolting them to in a few weeks to test & proof the prototype.. Some Blu car that I got lurking around the shop..:D

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...ps592e8cd0.jpg

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Are you going to run abs system?

I like how the subframe bolts to the sub frame connectors, looks clean

sorry guys I have been away for awhile... but it has been crazy busy here @ the shop... We have currently shifted in what we are doing here @ the shop.. Still building custom cars but got the race bug! Thanks Karl! Currently have a rendering going with some kinda crazy race inspired/street car going right now... TAZ Camaro has me thinking... Looking @ doing some crazy flares... We will build the front fenders to get them molded for CF or fiberglass & build some kinda bolt on rear flare..

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...pse1b7e013.jpg

Here is a pic of our new hood mold!

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...psaaefc54b.jpg

That or/and use it for tracktion control, high end ECUs use all four wheel sensors to measure/ calculate wheel spin.

Look great, its a shame that we here in Europe cant run with those.

Looking good Cris! Always taking things farther eh? Just curious though, were aluminum spindles not good enough? What kind of geometry changes did you make to justify the time? They look awesome, just curious! I knwo you always have a reason for doing stuff!

Will those become production pieces for sale to us mere mortals?

Love that hood - will you make it in cf?

Yummy! Now thats what i'm talking about.

Okay so what are your plans with these and what is going to be different from stock ?

I have no logical explanation why we did these spindles.. It was just a challenging project for us to do.. J/K.. It has to do with cost.. When I priced out the GM spindles with the manufacturing of the steering arm.. It was expensive.. SO we just went ahead & designed our own C6 Upright.. It maintains the stock geometry but has our steering arm built into it for our suspension.. Right now I am waiting for these new ball joints that should be available soon that will have a steel pivot ball instead of a nylon that comes stock in the C6 upright plus has a grease zert fitting.. Plus I can make my own pin so that I can do dual tapped bearings with aluminum hubs.. Then we can have the great debate about steel vs aluminum.. Yes my steel spindles will be a bit heavier than the GM aluminum ones.. but I have my reason why I prefer the steel ones instead .. The bottom line I just have always wanted to do a spindle project since I saw the ones Mike Maiers did for Brian’s car.. Now I know more about how GM made their uprights.. press fit of ball joints.. tapers on the ball joints & their bearing packs..

I will make some hoods but not @ high production runs.. Their is talk about a master pattern.. more molds to make more than one hood @ a time.. but that takes $$$.. I am just making parts out of composite for what I want on some of my builds .. If I can sell a few pcs.. that will be good.. but do not want to get involved in selling a full line of composite parts..

We will be making one out of CF this week!

How the heck do you find time to do all this!!! It's cool to see you pursue the track stuff heavily....something a bit different!

Keep it up! Gotta say though, how come you haven't re-engineered a dipstick yet?!??!?!? :ohsnap: (Inside joke....)

I think that pretty much sums up why we all here. None of us really need to build these cars but it pretty cool that we do.

So how much do those steel uprights weigh ?

I *think* the stock ones are as light as 6 lbs with ball joint ?

Cris, am I seeing that right or are my eyes playing tricks. The main section of the upright where the hub would bolt up, It looks like there is an inner and outer plate that sandwiches another plate in the middle. So three pieces making up that thickness there?

I will soon be doing weight comparison..


Donny- it is 3 pcs.. reason for doing this is make all steel pcs inter-lock for tying in all pcs...