Get a small piece of thin sheet aluminum. Cut a piece that you can shape around the shift rail to cover the open area. Then drill 4 holes. Two on each side of the shift rod and shift rail. Then safety wire it to the shift rail to baffle the oil.

This is really what this hobby is all about. Taking bastard parts and making them tango.

I like the way your brain works. :thumbsup:

One challenge besides baffle clearances with the shaft moving fore and aft and left to right, is understanding how the oil flows during operation. I'm guessing the majority of oil may be slung against the case wall by the gear and pushed up the wall to the shifter base. So baffles attached to the case sidewalls may be just as effective. So I'm not sure baffle attached to just the shift rail will resolve the issue. :question:

A boot like this, similar function to the stock Tremec, could easily be made to work if the material will hold up to the lubricant and heat. I believe this one is designed for external application.
http://fairchildind.thomasnet-naviga...sset/F4016.jpg

Ideally I'd like to limit alterations to the $300 shifter vs. altering the $2,700 transmission. :D Though it appears casting the case with side baffles could effectively control this issue.

I think your leak is caused by sling directly on the shifter rod from the passenger side and likely some by fluid bouncing off the drives side/front. I find it hard to believe that fluid climbing the wall is your main contributor. The aluminum piece would likely be a permanent fix. Just make sure it has a little clearance on all sides rowing through the gears. I was thinking that you put the shroud on the bottom side of the shift shaft and shape it so it will still shroud while rowing gears. The rubber boot would work just as well with the chance of grinding up some rubber. I don't like the thought of that material getting in the bearings/races/synchros.

My thinking was there is a lubricant film on the wall that is constantly being feed more fluid and pushed by X volume and velocity. Do I make sense?

Here's a pic of the White Lightning leakage
http://sieg.smugmug.com/Cars/69-Cama...IMAG2042-L.jpg

Shift rail and gear
http://sieg.smugmug.com/Cars/69-Cama...MAG2046-XL.jpg

I going to pick up some light guage aluminum and see if I can shape a piece as Todd suggested. Wrap it over the top of the rail with wings projecting forward on either side, set it in Permatex and safety wire it.

Anyone see potential problems?

I really don't want to toast my trans trying to fix someone else's problem.

I must have missed it --- why is this not American Powertrains issue??

Well technically it's Hurst Drivelines and American Powertrain's.

More Hurst's since they instructed me to ruin my stock Tremec shifter. I never felt right about that move (cutting the sealing boot), but they're the pro's right? Grrrrrrr.

If I hadn't butchered the OEM shifter I'd be up and running. So technically I pucked myself............and no it doesn't feel good. :D

There's two Tremec shifters on eBay for around $175. The principle of having to buy it is what I have to come to grips with. Hurst said they are trying to locate one - insert 80/20 rule here. Hope in one hand crap in the other and see which one fills up first. :lol:

At this point American Powertrain hasn't returned my phone call from yesterday morning or responded to the email I sent last night. :_paranoid

So I've got $640 paid out for two puking shifters and no OEM to fall back on. Hurst will issue a credit, we'll see how it goes with AP. I am fast learning there's a serious lack of integrity in the automotive sector compared to the motorcycle sector.

First decent weekend weather in 5 months isn't helping either. :rofl:

Speaking of fun..........What's the '32's status?

Hurst/B&M is 10 mins from me. Let me know if I can help

Thanks for the offer of assistance. :thumbsup:

Hurst Driveline's new facilities?

Hurst Driveline Conversions
1340 Specialty Drive, Suite A
Vista, CA 92081

Our NEW ADDRESS as of March 1, 2012
1500 Overland Court
West Sacramento, CA 95691

Dumb question cuz I know nothing about these transmissions

Isn't there gaskets between those plates & If so how is it leaking past them

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3/...macshifter.jpg

Hmmm? Since B&M bought Hurst, I just assumed they were under the same roof at B&M now out here in Chatsworh Ca... My bad

A thousand pictures tells more than I can say in one word.....




http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/a...e/IMG_2220.jpg

As long as I'm jackin' your thread....


I can't use my own dang lift because Rudy's POS Pro Street POS fat tired POS another 'RARE' '69 Camaro POS in waiting on a rear end from Art Morrison....


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time for a bigger shop. :D

Wow, tell us how you really feel about big tire Pro Street cars :D

I keep telling Charley that.....

No worries, sounds like they were keeping it quiet. That's why I posted the info for ya. :thumbsup:

OMG! You've jacked my thread, Jody posted in it, and you referenced Charlie.............I feel like a celebrity, but still in touch with reality and coherent.

Dancing with the stars! :woot: :woot: :woot:

Milled surfaces, Permatex silicone sealant, 25 lbs torque. It wasn't easy breaking the AP shifter lose, I must have over prepped the surfaces. :)

^^^^^^^ MORE TORQUE!


Twist them nuts til they holler uncle....


:rofl: :rofl:

Careful, down here in Springtuckey that's a common occurrence, holler'n momma happens too. :wow:

Mounted the White Lightning shifter in the rear position and took the car out for about 30 mile drive.

This was the result.
http://sieg.smugmug.com/Cars/69-Cama...MAG2051-XL.jpg
Doesn't leak nearly as much in the rear position, I'm guessing 70% less, but this would add up after 500 miles. The Hurst Blackjack would probably leak 70+% less than this when rear mounted or maybe not at all?

Also shot a short video while driving.


You can see the trans venting through the shifter which makes me wonder how effective the factory vent is. If the vent line isn't baffled could it be getting enough oil thrown on it to partially obstruct its function?

It appears this shifter design for the T56 Magnum needs some type of seal.

On a positive note the rear mount position puts the shifter closer to the wheel.
http://sieg.smugmug.com/Cars/69-Cama...IMAG2052-L.jpg

Hey -- Think of it this way..... You could have a big crack in your rear end....


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Thinking about what you've been through with the '32 definitely takes the edge off my itsey bitsey problems. :D

SAR should design their builds with complimentary air jack systems. :D

Quit dickin around and shroud the thing. :D

Well I know who I'm not buying my T56 from. Sorry to hear of your troubles. At least your car is on the road to piss you off......

For some reason if that shroud ended up in the trans I don't believe any of the shifter vendors would provide complimentary warranty service.

Though it should be easier to install a vertical baffle when in the rear position.

At least I can drive it in this configuration with a Maxi-Pad wrapped around it. :D

You're going to need that maxi pad with that attitude. :rofl:

Actually Jim Goodlad at Hurst has been VERY good to deal with. But since Drivelines was acquired by B&M it's big corporate business and Jim is going to retire before long I don't know if they'll invest in a comparable replacement for Jim.

The kit and trans aren't the issue here, just the shifter, and I went that route to retain the factory console. The rear position does put the lever in a better location so I'm not sure what direction I'll head.

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Yea I forgot to say. Bad shifter bad :mad: but Nice car great story.:thumbsup:

Thanks :D :thumbsup:

American Powertrain shifter
 

Mad Matt here with American Powertrain. Nice video on the leak! This a classic case of the vent tube is either kinked or your have a blockage. OR you have too much fluid in the transmission or your transmission is sitting down hill in the back. The shifter box area should not have much fluid in it all. but if it does then the air in the transmission that is whipped up by the gears is looking for a way out. Causing it to push the fluid up to the top. Or again your have too much fluid in the trans.

Thanks
Mad Matt
www.americanpowertrain.com
931-646-4836

Thanks for chiming in Matt - Please review these posts in the tread and let me know what you think:
https://lateral-g.net/forums/show...6&postcount=33

https://lateral-g.net/forums/show...3&postcount=64

:thumbsup:

OMG! I think I jinxed you.

https://lateral-g.net/forums/show...&postcount=481

:rolleyes:

Still no response to last weeks call and email from American Powertrain today, sent another email today before 11 a.m. requesting return authorization.

I know you had said you verified fluid level at least twice and right down to the ounce or decimal point as I recall.

How is fluid level checked/regulated or maintained on a T56? Does it have a fill level plug like on some gear boxes or rear differentials? The kind where level with the plug is "good" to ensure gear submergance which relies on the gears to carry lube up from there? Or are they filled near the top with minimal air gap?

Forgive my ignorance, and I have not read your whole thread yet either.

On a DIY problem solver level, as a last resort if everyone blames your T56 as being an odd ball for not venting right... I was wondering about an additional vent originating right in or on the shifter also. Granted that is not part of the design and won't bode so well for a return credit.:_paranoid

Machining it would be a breeze, but again not with a pending RMA#.

We tried calling you yesterday no answer. Bill is going to call you now. Sorry for any delay.

Fill plug serves as the guage, provided drivetrain angles are reasonable.

I had an unidentified call come in at 12:08 PST with no message left. I was in meetings all afternooon, then straight to daughters softball game 25 miles out of town at 6, home at 9. Email can be more effective.

I did speak with Bill this morning at 6:40 and he is sending an RA and possibly a Tremec take-off shiftert which is above and beyond the call of duty. :thumbsup: