yeah, I don't qualify for much other than some AARP discounts........... :lol:

Now that's a headline right there. :thumbsup:

I woke up feeling sorry for our new president, he inherited quite a f'ing mess.lol
As long as we have 48% pulling the wagon, and 52% in the wagon, we are never going to fix this mess. Where is the insentive to come out and pull, it just makes the 48% want to climb aboard and look for our freebies. What happened to work ethic, and pride for a hard days work, its the fall of Rome.

Ron

I was going to put in my 2 cents but you hit it on the effin head sir!!!!

It would be a smart move for Blake to move operations to the country that buys 60% of his products. Catipillar and Chrysler/Fiat did the same thing in China.

I woke up this morning feeling exhausted!! But that's because I had a dream that I was a muffler!:lol: :lol: :lol:

Do Americans support their commander in chief regardless of political party?

HELL NO!



Note* I was just going to say NO! but the bot said it was too short of a reply :D

Wow! 9 pages!! Couple things to add.
1. I've been told by a friend of mine (Mel Hancock, look him up!) that was a senator way back that as soon as they get to Washington, they work on getting reelected, NOTHING else. I do believe he was the exception.
2. The only "hope" we have is that the Mayans were right!! LOL!!
3. The REAL issue is that the USA has a spiritual problem, meaning that all morals and values and "standards" have been lost. It is "every man for himself" so to speak. The only thing it takes for evil to prevail is for the good to do nothing. Evil will do what it does best if allowed....bad things.
4. 1 Samuel 8:5-22 says a lot. Since we're talking politics, might as well talk religion!! LOL!!:cheers:
5. We POSSIBLY made history last night tho! We were there when the USA had its last elected president!! Oh, and the first dictator of the USSA!! Dooh!!!

Oh, and thanks for keeping this open Jody. I assume it's a "special" just because of the current circumstance.

DONE!


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Yes -- the country has cast it's vote....

I think Americans have always been like this. We can bitch and gripe and disagree.... but we still RESPECT.

I disagree with the notion that the people of this country have lost their morals and values. I've found that if you give people a chance, most are good. Unfortunately, with modern times there are to many outlets for negative news to be shoe horned into your brain. We all need to spend a little more time concentrating on improving our ourselves and our own lives, not worrying about somebody on welfare. There ain't a damn thing I can do about it and I wouldn't want to trade them places.

This is utter tripe based on the Republican effort to deligitimize this President for the last 4 years.

Greg, you just don't seem this unaware. What's up?

I am quite confident it'll go sideways at some point. :yes:

LOL!! So true!! You do a good job tho man!!:thumbsup:

we need to make some changes to our government. If we want to make the government better than we need a damn reorg.
We elected 2 dead people into office. This is crazy. Florida Democrat Earl K. Wood and Alabama Republican Charles Beasley. Here is what really pisses me off.
Taken from article.
"Wood died on Oct. 15 from natural causes at age 96, during his campaign for a 12th term as Orange County Tax Collector in Orlando, Fla.

Criticized for rarely coming into the office while collecting a $150,000 salary and $90,000 pension.

Wood's wide name recognition after almost half a century in office scared off several serious contenders. His name remained on the ballot and he took 56 percent of the votes to 44 percent for a Republican who promised to eliminate the office altogether if elected.

Are you f-ing kidding me. A salary and a pension. Thats crazy.
We need term limits and You should be out at 65.

Holy $%#..... Great thread! Really wish there was a way to "like" the comments, there are many, many good ones.

My 12 year old son actually broke down and cried...it really struck me. I have always said to him, good ideas come from both sides and have let him make up his own mind, but he sees the way things are going.

One thing I love doing with Obama backers when a political conversation is going nowhere, I ask: "With a straight face, tell me, would you rather have Obama or Romney balance your checkbook?" Works EVERY time, they just laugh it off because they cannot defend it.

The future scares me. So much has changed in the last 4 years, and not for the better.

My company BC/BS healthcare double from last year to this year. I guess the increase is to buy coverage for another family. :mad:

The makers will have more taken while the takers will make more. Exactly what obummer wants so that the takers will be more dependent on government

I already had a cell phone , So I voted Romney.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio

Who is John Galt? :_paranoid

My question is what has changed that is something the president himself has done?

People forget that 4 years ago at this time, hundreds of thousands of people were losing their jobs, unemployment had gone up 40% in 2008, from 5 to 7.3%. Lots of people lost their jobs, their homes and/or their businesses.

I agree that all sucked, and things aren't all fixed now. We just about back to the same unemployment rate as when Obama took office, and the economy is adding jobs.

It's unrealistic to blame Obama for the economy being terrible, primarily because it was all sorts of messed up before he was even elected.

At the same time, it's not a reasonable assessment to give him much credit for things improving either. Not much has actually happened in washington dc the last four years, and things improving is more about the resilience of americans than it is anything that any one person or all of d.c. has done.

My point is this, let's not be all hyperbolic and dramatic over the election.

Why do you feel so obligated to defend politicians?

Saw this and I thought it was funny..I personally don't do the "discuss politics" thing because everyone is entitled to THIER opinion...again I just thought it was funny no matter which way I voted.....

The man said in his campaign that he would fix it in his first term. He did not.

Do you remember all that chatter about cutting the debt, and unemployment being much lower then it is now? ETC

Just google the words "2008 campaign promises". The video list is pretty long.

Everything that happened was opposite of what he promised for a job he campaigned to get.

he hasn't done a single thing to improve the so called nightmare that he "inherited". and the outlook since then hasn't changed. he is a divider. nothing changed, he took class warfare to the next level. he is not a friend of business. his foreign policy is ridiculous. so what he killed bin laden. bin laden was powerless. he has done nothing to give any glimmer of hope on any front, that any of our problem will be solved.

Everybody went to work the day after the election -- nobody went on strike -- the military didn't park tanks in the public square...

Let's not take the efforts of a few dip wads like Donald Trump, who can't give up on the birther issue, as being indicative of "the man in the street". I think the average person understands an election in the U.S. We may not like it - we may not agree... but HE won, and HE is the POTUS. I have to respect that, and move forward.

True, I don't like it, but thats life. Adjust and move on. The sun will come up in the morning and go down in the afternoon. I'm enjoying not watching any news shows and getting back to reality.

New word:

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I have lived through many an Election...

I don't have to like the results, and I kinda know what is coming, but I do know that the people that are takers have a glass ceiling...I do not..

The takers will take but they can only take so much, hence the glass ceiling..

The makers can make more because there is no glass ceiling...we can achieve more..Will it be tougher ? Sure it will..But will we rise above it and still have fun...Yep....

Many that voted for More taxes, ect...are the one's that can least afford more sales tax, higher food costs and Gasoline...But yet they thought they were going to punish the rich....Strange world we live in.

Don't know how many of you have seen the movie Idiocracy, but it pretty much sums it up.

Yes..yes it does.

In a scary way, it really does!! I've told many people that it is an ignorant movie but the "reality" of it is... Well... Real!!

In general, what I am bothered by the most with Obama and the people who support them are their attitudes. I'm honestly not worried about what he can really do as President, though all of his executive orders are very disturbing from a power grab perspective, because he is constrained. It's just like the people who voted against Romney because he is pro-life. They some how seem to think he had the power to overturn Roe v Wade which is nonsense. Yet, people voted against him for that very reason. So realizing Romney doesn't have that power but turning around and thinking Obama has more power to magically snap his fingers to make things happen doesn't add up.

What does add up though, is the attitude Obama preachers and shows regularly. His actions or lack there of in many cases show what type of person he truly is regardless of what he says. It's the reason so many people where duped in 08 like Greg mentioned. He talked a good talk. Filled people with a lot of good ideas that even I agreed with. Nothing he had done up to that point in his political career agreed with the words and ideas he was pushing forth and nothing he did after being elected agreed either. For someone who claims to not be engaging in class warfare, he sure does use a lot of us and them in reference to American citizens in his speeches. He also has no problems laying blame or targeting legislation towards a select group of people whom have done nothing illegal or immoral. Yet, they are some how to blame or should be punished by having their legally earned wealth confiscated in the name of fairness or recovery? He is more like G W Bush than different but no one is crying war criminal or impeachment when he did the exact same things as Bush and then some.

The fact that so many American citizens support his actions and agree with those actions is what bothers me. They treat it like a football game cheering on their team as if there are no real implications as to what is going on in DC.

He is no leader and certainly not interested in bringing people together.

Unfortunately we are in for another 4 years of slow slide into oblivion and God only knows how long to dig out of the rediculous debt accumulating. Is Obama a bad guy? probably not. Did he have a clue what he was getting into 4 years ago? Definately Not. Is he arrogant and confrontational? Anybody who watched the debates can answer that. Does he have the skills to guide this country out of the muck our economy is in? 4 years +4 trillion in debt tells me no. His comments about cheap gas showed a weak economy when he took office and now that we have expensive gas things are getting better... ?!?!?!? 'nuff said?

Put the religion thing aside. Put the race cards aside. Romney has proven skills and the background to run our economy and the country. If the guy was given the office there was a much higher probability that the economy would have gotten back on track and then everyone on the forums could have bitched about his social policies.... or maybe not.. they would have been busy getting back to work. Well at least the obamaphone lady would have been bitching aout it. I'm still lost at when our country started demonizing people that are successful.. I'm pretty sure that was somewhere in the American Dream. But I didn't get the AACORN Occupy Everything memo either...

Real world though... How many of you have gotten the phone call from your high end clients that projects are being "delayed" or are dropping prices on high end cars to move them before the end of the year? What these Obama-ites don't realize is that many industries like ours and the economy as a whole depend on this 2% (that owns businesses, runs businesses, invest in businesses, spend money on luxury items) feeling comfortable enough to spend money. They don't spend money, we don't make money, we don't have money to spend, we don't have money to hire people or buy equipment, and then economy slows. I had plans to hire for projects slated to start in January but in the last two days I've had 2 out of 3 projects put off "indefinately" waiting to see the results of this "financial cliff." I have another client that turned down an offer on his car two weeks ago then called me back yesterday to do the deal just because he is cleaning house after the election worried about what is coming next year. Scared money doesn't make money... if businesses are afraid to spend money they arent going to... and Obama's fiscal policies scare people with money to spend. I'm going on year #5 now going solo and I've never been this uncertain of the future.

I don't know about y'all, but I have NEVER been given a job by a poor man. Crazy ain't it!!?!
In construction, projects have "been on hold" till after the election. Well, now they are on hold till it is ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY, not just when it "could" be a good time.

What's this trickle down economy talk you're spewing? Everyone knows that is nonsense. You're just trying to protect the rich so they can continue to screw over the rest of us :rolleyes:

How or why people don't understand that if you allow people to keep their money, instead of seizing it through taxation, they will spend it on their own is beyond me. I guess they think trickle down economy means trickle down prosperity or that it's some how guaranteed they will be better off without actually having to get out there and make it happen for themselves. Not only that but to simply be in this hobby, which involves purely discretionary money and spending, and still claim that trickle down economics doesn't work or doesn't exist is mind blowing.

To add to Greg's comments earlier about the taxes targeted directly at yachts. I grew up in Savannah, GA. Technically, outside of it on the islands but the address was Savannah. I remember years of driving into Savannah proper and passing through Thunderbolt, GA and seeing the yachts and sailboats being built during the 80s. I didn't find out until the 90s when I was a teenager that the reason the sailboats and yachts suddenly disappeared and the company went bankrupt was because the government decided to tax people who dared to want to buy one. You may think a fancy boat is unnecessary and maybe even vulgar given that there are people who can't even afford a simple car, but you have no right to punish someone who wants to buy one with their legally earned money. It's also laughable if you claim to care about the little guy when you support legislation that results in that little guy losing his job simply because he worked at a business you deemed unnecessary.

My post isn't directed at anyone specific. Please don't take it that way. I'm just simply venting about interference in the economy by government morons who claim to know what's best for me and you. Or, who try to honestly claim the most basic and obvious truths don't exist or work.

I did love the listening to the radio on Wed. when the stock market tanked. They actualy said "due to some turmoil in Europe, the stock market is down 300 points", not even mentioning the election. Its very scary how detatched the press has become from reality, and how the current Pres. can do no wrong. Its no longer news, its propiganda, I hope history can't repeat itself.

Most of us, give or take, are probably finantially as far along in life as we will go. Its our kids and grand kids that won't have the same oportunities for success that we had. How did we get here?

I've been sayng this, essentially, for a very long time. It's comforting to see someone else say it too.

I think the yacht dealio you are talking about involved the "Luxury Tax" in the early 1990's. I remember Ted Kennedy was a vociferous proponet of the Luxury Tax and it killed the yacht building business in New England just like it did in other parts of the country.