That 'cuda is coming along nicely Cris.

I agree and it's a Challenger ...DAMN CHEVY GUYS :snapout:

Fact remain's.....you broke the code....never touch anything thats pure and true.....especially a 440 6 pac!!!

OK, sorry, had to get that off my chest......Hey it's your car.....

Well said, Cris. Fantastic job on the car too! I hope and thoroughly believe it will be a great success for you guys on the track and at the shows.

Thanks for the props guys!

Here is a custom aluminum gas tank we are building to support the LS engine swap..

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You turn in your BOWTIES NOW!!!!! :guns: I'LL BE UP LATER THIS WEEK TO GET THEM :drive:

Cris.. I like what your doing with this car. It's DIFFERENT.

At the end of the day its a Dodge. Tin can with wheels

Matt

I really need to find the time to swing by. We need to talk to Karl again.....can we at least keep it purple?

I think you are @ the lead of the pot stiring about me cutting this Challenger up.. :poke: :D

Lets just meet @ the track when we this one is done.. I promise you that we will not be 10 seconds slower anymore as you stated on a Mopar Forum from our last event @ RTTC early this year.. :guns:

Car is staying purple.. Got to leave something original on the car! :D

I love people telling you what should be done with your car, I'm still getting hate emails on my Mustang. All people will tell you is that the car was so valuable, how can you cut and modify it. The price of vintage Mopars is way down over a couple years ago, and when done right (which this car is obviously done right) I really don't think it hurts the cars value. I'm a big Mopar guy, and I know I'd love to have it.

Damn the torpedos!!!Full steam ahead!!!

HAHAHA, I had nothing to do with the Moparts thread, if that is what you mean. I didn't even throw a comment on that one until the end of page 1. And I'm pretty confident that this car will absolutely CREAM anything I could hope to bring to the table. I did like the comment someone made that someone needs to build something to beat this car that is Mopar powered. I don't think they realize what an undertaking that would be.

Okay I am a little cranky this morning so I probably shouldn't be responding.

So lets save another car and park it in a garage, museum or a warehouse so when you die the next idiot can do exactly the same. Screw it drive it like you stole it and if there is anything left so be it. There is one thing that is certain and it is death. I would hate to be on my death bed and say, "Man I wish I would have driven my Challenger"

Go back to bed!:D

Ron- I am working on drafting my hate letter too you! See ya in few weeks buddy..

Dan- No worries.. Its all just fun @ this point..

We are just hoping the car will be a contender.. The road coarse is where we need some help in dialing in a car.. but we are close.. That is why I am bringing Brian Hobaugh in to help us dial in the car for that.. He is one of the guys I trust with any of our builds to drive on the road coarse.. Lots of things can go wrong their.. but Brian is one hell of a driver..

Marty- I will see what I can do about getting a bike rack hung on the side of the car.. That way it can be a multi purpose car! :thankyou:

Mario- I will be flying into Chicago on the 24th for Motorstate.. Maybe we can go out for a bite to eat...

Now I got to go back to cutting..

Can you reproduce some of the factory assembly line paint markings just to piss people off a little more. That would be awesome.

Is this car getting a full cage? I'm a little curious on the choice to have subframe connectors that appear contoured to use the sheet metal floor as the top side, yet have such a massive cross member at the B-Pillar. I didn't fully read back through the plan so I'm probably just missing something.

Also, what's the plan for the interior?

chop chop!

Chris in advance sorry for the thread-jack. :walkingdog:

TAD in Florida did received the same grief when he modified a 69 Hemi Cornet R/T.

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But in the end everything he did just like this car can be brought back to original. The car went from a garage ornament to a very capable driver.


It's guys like Chris that push the envelope and make these old cars safer for us to drive today.

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The car will not be getting a full cage @ this time.. We will determine next year what the future enhancement will be for the car.. For the time being it will be daily driven & Autocrossed with testing on the road course.. We are trying to establish right now which will be Karl’s road course for the future.. & that one will get a full cage..

The interior will be stock panels with rear seat delete.. Sparco race seats with steering wheel, Fire system.. What else.. Oh! “CUP HOLDERS”

Here is what the underside structure looks like.. The Challenger has torque boxes just like a Mustang… I am really starting to favorite this type of design.. I can really tie in a chassis into the rocker panel & add some rigidity to structure of a car.. We have about 4.50 inches of ground clearance & everything is sucked underneath the car… Nothing hangs below the frame rails..

Please excuse the welding not being clean.. That will be done when the car gets disassembled & undercoated.. Trying not to waste any time.. Car need to be in the body shop late next week..

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I don't care much for the engine, but then I don't much like make to make interbreeding like this regardless of the project.

I am a bit surprised at cutting up a V code car. Not from the purity stand point necessarily because this just increased the value of the remaining cars, but from a financial standpoint it doesn't make much sense to me. Even if it was sold at a fire sale price of $60k, which would have moved this thing in days, you could buy a Dynacorn body for $13k and have $47k for the rest of the build. Heck for that matter, you can buy complete, equivilent 72-74 E bodies for $8k and save even more and get all the detailed doo-dads for a build. The front end treatment would be no big deal either since it looks like it was all replaced with fiberglass anyway.

Since its not my car, it guess it doesn't really matter much what I think though.

Lets look @ some realistic #'s

A Dynacorn body for 13K.. What about all the glass, regulators, dash pcs, trim for the glass, roof rail trim, door latches, locks & a hell a lot more components.. Plus take into consideration that a dynacorn body does not fit panels very well ... The fabrication time to fit & gap.. Body work & paint.. Have you priced a paint job lately?

From a financial stand point.. A Dynacorn body was not a option...

Buying a 8k rollor car.. don't know what you are gonna get till you start peeling layers of the car apart... I can tell you horror stories of cars that have come in here that 40K was paid.. to tear the car apart and find layer of body filler or panels that were repaired with fiberglass filler.. Body panels replaced body work & paint.. it all adds up...


This car had a decent foundation for us to start.. & in the long run it will save some money on the build...

I do like the Plum Crazy / In Violet much better than the green. Good choice.

The pictures of the underside have me :headscratch: . I'm not used to looking at cars from that view, my jack doesn't go high enough!

I've got a couple questions about the frame rails that tie into the front subframe and the torque boxes.

Near the torque box, is the rail notched and than the TB is plated? TB, frame rail and cross member all tied in together...is that right?

The rail running through the floor, is that just welded to the floor pan top and bottom? Easy cheesy?

Car and the fabrication look great:thumbsup:

Who cares what the drama queens have to say about what you're building:catfight:

I've been through the same deal. I took a 1 owner, low mileage 1978 Cougar and made it a targa top and turned the trunk into a rumble seat, people were not happy!:lmao:

:cheers:
Dan

Cris,
One question. Will this car driven hard and appreciated by the customer or is it just a one shot deal and then sold?

If so, since you stated it was not all that original I am probably back on board. I still don't agree with cutting up a V code car since other options are easily available (no excuses here-there are other options) and if they can afford a pro-build they can afford other options (again no excuses on this no matter what is said---same goes for the LS motor-all motors are an air pump---a new 3G hemi can flow massive air probably better than an LS but more costly since less mainstream-pay up like all of us Mopar fools do :G-Dub: ) but I do want to see it through and see what you have in store for the final product. :D

Nice build by the way---even if it goes against the grain and my wish to save a car like this. I like the stance and attitude of the car!

Wes

IF I COME TO THIS THREAD LOOKING FOR UPDATES AND PICS BECAUSE I APPRECIATE THIS BUILD AND HEAR READ ONE MORE PERSON CRYING ABOUT, "I STILL CAN'T BELIEVE YOU CUT AN ORIGINAL "V" CAR," I'M GONNA F#@KING SCREAM MY LUNGS OUT. PEOPLE, GET OVER IT!! IT'S A CAR FOR CHRIST SAKE. FURTHERMORE, SOMEONE ELSE'S CAR. EVER HEARD THE SAYING.........WHAT SOMEONE ELSE EATS DOESN'T MAKE YOU S#!T? IT'S ALL ENTERTAINMENT. CRIS PUTS PICS AND UPDATES ON HERE FOR OUR PERSONAL ENJOYMENT. IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, DON'T CLICK ON THIS POST. AS I STATED PREVIOUSLY, THERE ARE SOME THREADS ON HERE I THINK MAKES THE LEAST BIT OF SENSE AT ALL, NOR DO I LIKE HOW SOME ARE BUILDING THE CAR, BUT I KEEP MY MOUTH CLOSED AND DON'T SAY A WORD. :snapout:

>>>Sorry, Jody, Scott, Tony and Skip (the mods.) I'm now off of my soap box. It's just it's old to still be talking about an original "V" code car being cut up 30 posts later. Geesh!! :shakehead:

YA!!!!!You tell em Marcus!!!!!:warning: This is why guys like Cris and others stop posting . Here's the deal if you come to this site odds are your going to see cars getting cut up/altered/ modified, etc. Its a PROTOURING SITE!!! That's what we do!!! :topic:

Kudos to you for taking the time to talk about the other options people keep bringing up. Personally, I would have just ignored them, since you are building it for a customer.

I get that there are valuable cars out there, but if everyone saved those valuable cars we would not have the incredible aftermarket we have and great sites like this to see those parts be put on cars by great shops like yours. I am really looking forward to the end result.

Exactly Mario, that's all I'm saying. I'll say this too...I don't like Pro-touring.com as much. So, I don't visit there alot. I'm a member and have been for quite some time. But, I maybe log in less that once every 4-5 months. I hardly ever post there. But, you don't see me on there crying and complaining about what goes on over there.

After all,.....this is a PRO-TOURING car site. All cars are welcome, but the main passion here and I think the guys will agree, is the pro-touring and build aspects of these great, great cars! :thumbsup:

We got the trunk & the rear bumper pcs in fiberglass fitted… Trunk was pretty good fit.. Bumper was not too bad with the new aluminum fabricated mounting brackets.. We also got some rear spoiler concepts that we are playing with.. Yesterday we simulated some wind tunnel drag thru Solid Works.. Also playing around with an idea on active aerodynamics..

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We also came up with a new rear window decal for the car!


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So Cris what's the deal on the second gen making an appearance in this pictures??? :hello:

That is one of the 2nd gen Camaro we have here @ the shop.. Currently have four of them in progress.. We will also have a 71 Trans Am arriving some time in August..

One with a Windsor one with a Coyote and the other two are SB2s. All good stuff.:thumbsup:

& with a big ass wide rear mirror with a view Torino trying to keep up!:lmao: You should buy one of those 5.4 Supercharged Mod Motors from Matt..

Details??????:D

I think the reasoning that Cris gave on why this car was modified versus a different car or evev a aftermarket body make sense to me. As I have gotten older, I realize that having a solid complete car to start with can save alot of time and money in the long run...

Anyway, I really like this car and the build quality looks top notch. Can't wait to see this one finished up and what it can do. :trophy-1302:

Seriously not seeing the value in that Mustang. I wouldn't have a problem cutting that thing up.

Chris, just wanted to add......yes I am a purist....and if I had that car I wouldn't have cut it up but you are doing a fantastic job with it and it looks great!! Whats done is done I will continue to keep an eye on this one. :thumbsup:

Gaetano- Then I guess you will not approve with what I did with my 70 Z/28..

Car has a new front spoiler in the works.. & it just got a whole new attitude.. IMO.. The signal lights are now gonna be brake ducts..


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Lets just say it's time to put all this purist talk to bed. I've always been a big fan of your work and whats done is done.

Front spoiler looks fricken awesome.

On another note I was at a 4th of July party with a bunch of local ameature racers and I heard the American Auto Cross series people are talking about wrapping it up. Just curious to where you guys plan on running the car in the future. Can you keep me posted?

I just love where this project is heading. Very cool stuff!

wait.....what! Please say it isn't soooooooo :stirthepot: