Gotta be some progress in one of these threads... maybe it's in this one?? LOL

Got some pics of the header fitment today from Keith. He finished up the exhaust today. Hopefully the accessories will be mounted tomorrow.

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/...afdf7270ca.jpg

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/...d2019a84f9.jpg

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/...c408a5eb6e.jpg

Cars looking really good Mike:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Thank you very much. I may just very well be in you neck of the woods next summer. I'm trying to do a road trip to Tennessee and on to W.V as i have some very good friends there (New Martinsville)....

yikes that collector is low, looking good so far!!

Mike if you make it to WV let me know.

The collector is a bit higher than the dynatech, and we were able to move the X-pipe up a full 2" from where it was mounted before

vince, my dynatech's were 2.375 from finished floor to bottom of collector and 4.25 to frame rail. When i saw the hookers in vegas (my wife will love that line) they were almost flush with the frame rail using their mounts and xmember. I think that pic has somewhat of an optical illusion to it. I have pics posted in the LSx section on pt and in the hightech section on nastyz28 but i havent transfered any pics to my office computer....i'd like to see a side by side

What i'm hopin for

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/...caede2d289.jpg

What i have now

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/...afdf7270ca.jpg

I'm hopin its what Hooker sold me on, was the fitmant of the headers, it wasnt all that bad before except the 2.375 of clearance.

Keith was telling me what was scratched up was the x pipe mounting was too low. Hopefully i've gained an inch or two but we'll see......

Mike is that with the Hooker engine mounts and cross member as well? Those headers seem to be sitting lower than what Hooker claims. Unless it is the angle of the picture.

Yes. and i'm hoping its the angle of the pic....

Just confirmed with Keith that its 2 1/4 from f/floor to bottom of header.....So my "hooker" investment didn't pan out....Plus he just told me the March stuff is hitting the inner fenders...Not a good day for the blue car!

Shoulda bought the Wegner setup and left the Dynatechs alone, but now my subframe is powder coated to look at the bright side.....:G-Dub:

Hopefully todd will chime in and offer an explanation or option....

I would call Todd ASAP and ask him what's wrong. It's clearly different from what was displayed at Sema.

Yeah -- I wouldn't take that --- what they showed is clearly different from the product you received. Now add labor to that -- in and out and in and out.... That's not right.

1970 camero
 

At 2 1/4" off the ground it is drivable but will hit sometimes
My 70 Ta clone headers were 1 1/2" off the ground until I
raised the car.. now it is 2 1/4" better but not great... Pontiac headers for round
port heads with 3 1/2' collectors by Dougs.. will have to make
a set of customs some day as the tri-y's are no longer available

Car looks good

Paneracer Norcal Bob

Keith was telling me its almost impossible to get ahold of Todd and sales wont do shi...so i'm gonna pm him over on nasty and post the pics there as well....

NO DOUBT!! Hopefully the'll make it right, i coulda just left well enough alone, but noooooooo....

Yeah, i can live with it if i have too, just pissed away 1200 bucks, I will be letting Holley/Hooker know....
thanx for the compliments too...

Yeah, the closer the low spot is to the tire the better. Tire goes over the obstacle and the header will go up too.

I think its just how the rack platform gives a false ground in the picture.

I was thinking about those new Hooker headers myself since they are for "maximum ground clearance" in the description. Reading all the articles I could only find pics of the 74-81 headers and a note saying they won't fit the 70-73 because they will hit the floor. This made me very nervous about them. Sorry you had to be the Guiney pig....and it's not working out.

I'm aware of the situation and will get things figured out for you Mike. I am not suspecting the engine mounts you were sent could have been the wrong ones...I'm exchange info/photos with Keith to get to the bottom of it.

Todd, we werent able to get that dimension today, but the t-56 is where it was at before, almost rubbing the tunnel, so the engine cant go up any. Pretty sure everything is the right parts, we may just have to swap them for the later gen 2 stuff. Also, can you check and see if theres any mathematical difference between the ss ones and the ceramic ones i bought, the ones on the SEMA display were s/s.
I'll upgrade if i have too, i'm looking to gain an inch. would be nice and acceptable if we could acheive that, otherwise the Dynatechs were fine in my case. Somebody else looking to use this kit for an LS swap, it is a good kit, easy and well priced.

http://i1170.photobucket.com/albums/...3ae02bc6e7.jpg

So, the subframe is stock. Only the upper shock towers have been modified to accept coil-overs, and the front g-bar mount has nothing to do with it. So that rules the modified subframe possibility out.

It is possible that you have a set of big block frame mounts instead of a small block set? I cannot remember which is which, but as I recall, there is a difference in the height of the mounts between the SBC and BBC...

I don't know if it would matter or not, but did the subframe come from a Camaro or a Firebird?

Yep bbc and Z28 are the same, 3/4" lower

Both good points. But if the t-56 is where it was within a 1/4".....the engine did move back a 1/4 to 1/2 from where it was...

Originally Posted by syborg tt View Post
I would call Todd ASAP and ask him what's wrong. It's clearly different from what was displayed at Sema.
Keith was telling me its almost impossible to get ahold of Todd and sales wont do shi...so i'm gonna pm him over on nasty and post the pics there as well....


above is not the case. Custom Works Performance is on a pretty small network of authorized dealer/installation centers for Hooker/Holley EFI. I have Todd's cell phone number and we have been working really hard to figure out any issue here. The frame mounts are correct, because the Hooker kit requires use of the clamshell mounts. There is no issue with fitment, and the early headers fit pretty much where they were intended to fit. Todd and I have compared pictures back and forth. We believe that there may be an issue with minor changes GM did to the chassis, and or body bushing dimensions.

So you know, I couldn't be more happy with the installation of the Hooker LS mounts, cross member, and headers. We have been selling lots of these pieces and will continue to do so. It is the best complete system out on the market, and the price is pretty fair as well. Also we will be installing the Hooker relocation brackets for the accessories on Mike's car. We will be able of offer you pictures and our feedback on how they work and fit!

There is no need for everyone to go on a lynching. Mike is very pleased with the look of his new parts. His only issue is that the gains in ground clearance have been less than what he expected. So right now Custom Works and Todd at Hooker are working together to ensure the products you get meet your expectations. In the mean time call if you have any questions or need some parts 530 864-5846 Keith- Custom Works Performance

Morning Keith,

I think they have a great product and I my only concern was that the headers would sit flush with the subframe like the one we saw at Sema.

I will also agree Todd is a very nice guy and I am glad you and him are trying to work this out.

ps Lets see if we can find Mike that "Inch" he was looking for. I am sure it would make his wife happy.

There i fixed it for you. I'm sure it "wood" to! :rofl:

And we have to be careful here using words like "hooker" "vegas" "inch", our wifeys might not like that.....

What I'm a miracle worker now!

Marty,

the headers on the SEMA frame and the frame were both late 75-81.

Mike

Curious if any progress has been made to get your headers to match the ground clearance in the mock up photos Todd posted on my LS3 thread.

If your not worried about it and going to run them as is question then becomes, is the car driving yet or what?? :poke:

Steve, the car is held up a little at Custom Works due to the accessories mounting. The kit i ordered from March (sport trac kit) doesn't work for our second gens, the bracketry allows the alternator to go out too far and hits the inner fender....parts from Holley should be at Keith's shop around Thursday.

Last i spoke with Keith last week, Hooker is doing something for me/Keith on this, but Keith said it was a "suprise"....so i waiting patiently...cause i cant wait to drive it....

tell me they found your missing "inch"

You should ask Pam, no wait, dont.

OK,

I have a sort of editorial on the experience with the Hooker/Holley products as ther pertain to Custom Works and Mikes 1970 Camaro. I don't wish to post a bunch of negative stuff or cause any problems with Todd or Hooker. If anyone wishes to read my editorial, below is a link about our experience in our forum section on NastyZ ----> Keith Custom Works

http://www.nastyz28.com/forum/showthread.php?t=271988

I have had nothing but problems with 2nd gen header clearance. My guess is the manufacturers would rather have it closer to the ground than the floor boards. liability with potential fire hazard I suppose.

I now run mid lengths and extend the collector tube and attach with a band clamp. It also involves notching the frame. :underchair:

I wish these guys would at least take some advise if someone (like Keith and myself) had offered it free of charge.

BTW the Edelbrock ones fitment WAS pretty nice.

Thanks for posting the update. It's very unfortunate to hear the issue isn't being fixed by Hooker. Hopefully Todd steps up soon. Sucks that Mike jumped all in with the hooker products and is now getting burned.

Vince

Of all the long tubes, which have the best ground clearance, is it the Stainless works or Kooks or something else?

Which mid lengths and extensions do you use? Do you have any pics of this setup? I remember a comment from Stielow that he like the mid lengths too due to clearance and that the power loss is extremely low compared to the full length. I'm thinking I'll take this route for my car

Kooks are nice but out of budget for most of my clients. Power loss is miniscule. Not enough to sacrifice ground clearance and a set of expensive headers everytime you drive down town.


I have an album on the header and modifications made on my facebook page. The headers, mods, coating and labor was less than $800.

Oh sure, now you tell me! hehe. With what i'm planning to do with the car, this probably wont be my only set.....

I've had complete custom headers built before.... sometimes what you THINK is expensive isn't... Especially when you get what you want.

I plan to either make my own or go the midlength route like Vince. I figured I would be doing this simply because no one that I know actually makes a header that clears a WS6 subframe. We will see where my welding skills are when it comes time to build the headers. Kinda wish the Hooker parts had worked out. Though, moving the engine to the center wasn't something I was really wanting.

Sorry to hear you didn't have a good experience with the Hooker parts, Mike.