Paul, you shut your dirty whore mouth! This dog's still got a fight and 20 days until he needs to be heading south. Minus sleep and work that's around 40 days worth of hours....PLENTY of time! :action-smiley-027: Shoot, you could probably get the falcon done by then! :secret:


To be clear. I don't really think Paul has a dirty whore mouth. If the truck doesn't make it, it isn't because he gave up...a few days to let things marinate and he'll be right back at it. If it's a simple parts swap or exchange it'll get done, if it's broken....well there's always another event.
:cheers:

I dont have much hope for making it. The time that I am spending troubleshooting this issue is taking away from getting all the other crap I need to done, like breaks and bearings on my trailer, troubleshooting the short in the trailer breaks.

Driveline vibration needs to be dealt with as well...its bad.

Also need to get some better pads on the old girl all around and go make some panic stops and make sure they will stop but have yet to research and order pads.

I have not gotten a room reserved yet either, but have paid for my entry fee already.

I get a little noise from cylinder 4 area but its not the same noise that I get when its under load.

As terrible as this sounds, I think I am going to get the hood back off of it and have someone else drive it and have me ride around on the frontend and see if I can isolate where the noise is coming from.

If the wife sees that or I get hurt, Ill be in a world of trouble.

I have some dyno time next saturday if I can make it until then.

Sean

Gosh, Dan, don't go to bed angry!:twak:

Oh no, never. It's the waking up that makes me angry...mostly because I'm sleeping on an air mattress in my kids room....first world problems.

Glad to hear you're making the trip to T-Hill, have you figured out what we're doing for lunches?

Lunch at Thunderhill without Greg's apartment on wheels (and barbecuing skills) will be a real challenge. Maybe this is where Sean's true talent will reveal itself.

Sean, no truck/racing vehicle is needed. Just bring lighter fluid. I'll bring a Camelback.:idea:

Pads
 

I still have a set of front calipers off of a Chump car that would bounce your Eyeballs off the wind shield (PM Dan if you dont believe me)
As far a s the vibration goes it may be an orientation issue. Try rolling it 90 degrees at the rear end. I saw that you had a carrier bearing in it so you may have an issue there. not sure if it is splined or bolted. My old 69 C10 was splined till I lowered the truck. Without listening to it I would not even want to guess what the tapping is. Hopefuly I get a chance to see it run at T hill.

Hey Wayne, I got your PM a little while back. I am sure that the driveline needs more adjustment and tinkering with but the clatter is my main focus right now.

I am curious if you happen to know any more about the pads that you guys were running on the chump car? I am looking to get some more agressive pads installed before i get it out on the track.

I could type up an entire book about my troubleshooting process but here is the highlights.

I found a really hefty exhaust leak mid week so I pulled the exhaust apart and cleaned things up and put some copper RTV on the header flange to the small downpipe and reinstalled. Sounds exactly the same.

Had a friend come over Friday night with a Snap On Chassis ear....that was where the bad news started.

Its either bottom end noise, clutch or transmission.

We picked up a lot of noise on the side of the engine but even more noise on the bellhousing. So not 100% sure if the bottom end is shot or the clutch/tans is shot but something is wrong, broken,damaged for sure.

I started to pull it apart friday night and realized I had over looked something while building the truck......I cannot pull the trans out the bottom of the truck.:-roll

But I was able to get the transmission moved back far enough to pull the pressure plate and look at the clutch.

Here is where we get more questions than answers. The clutch is like brand new. Ford part with a manufacture date of 01/21/15, I had the car in what september and I bet the clutch took a couple of months to get shipped and installed so it might be four or five months in the car.

However the springs are really beat up and two of them are pretty loose in the cage, I can rotate the springs quite easily in the cage and two of them get looser and tighter in the cage. The center hub has a good tick tick tick to it as well when you rotate it in the clutch. When we were pulling out the driveline you could hear the clutch rattling as we were rotating the driveline back and forth

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On the spring hub clutch you can see where the sprung hub portion has rotated all the way to one side and hit the stops.

All tore up....:-huh

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I randomly talked with a guy in Seattle yesterday who races in a spec mustang class. He seemed to know these things better than most. I explained my issues, little bit of end play in the input shaft, rattle on bottom end and stuff and he said replace the clutch. DO NOT PUT A FORD CLUTCH in it though. He said on their spec cars they have to run the Ford clutch and can barely get a race weekend out of one clutch. He said get ahold of ACT and order their setup for it and be done with it. Then put it all back together and see what happens.

So as of right now that is my plan. Order a clutch on Monday and get it here as fast as possible and see what happens.

Oh, my Dakota Digital OBD adapter died also, so I have a new one of those coming Tuesday as well.

Totally running out of steam on this thing. If its bottom end, not too sure what I am going to do.

Here is crossing my fingers to this fixing it...

Sean

Where's MattA? Anyone know if his mustang has any miles on it?

Spent the weekend doing chores around the house, organizing some stuff and recycling a ton of stuff. Even did a couple of house projects....I know what???

In cleaning up I decided I finally needed to get rid of this stuff and build the seat I have wanted since we pulled the seat from the truck, it is in immaculate condition.

Here is the Grille Narrowed up 8" to match the width of the bench.

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Got the frame all built for the seat and getting the fit better on the height of the seat as a sofa and the fronted fit up where it needs to go.

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Here is the somewhat finished product. I need to make a top cap for the frontend, I dont like how unfinished it is and I still need to find a couple of bezels for it. Anyone have a couple they want to get rid of, white and beat up is totally cool with me.

I raised the grille up off the floor a fair bit. Bench might be a little bit tall for some but its about perfect for me.

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Armrests turned out cool for just some flat stock welded up and capped the 1" square tube.

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If I had more room I would just keep it in the shop. Its going to our new office we are moving into at the end of next month.

I am going to clear the entire thing and see how many bad looks I get at the shop =)

Pics of that LOL, just be careful and no freeway runs...

Btw, i'm not sure if the event is sold out yet or not, i'm not getting my ticket untill my harness is done and trouble free, so, i may hit u up last minute to purchase yours. Just throwing that out there, not even sure if there transferable....

Looks good...needs cup holders!

Seat/couch looks cool
 

Armrests from an old van might just do the trick!:y0!:

It was not the clutch...

But I will at least update my thread so it doesnt just die like most other build threads.

Boxes of goodies showed up

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This stuff is beefy and really nice quality.

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Lightened steel flywheel and all ARP Fasteners.... Looks sexy. Again more cool **** on the truck that you will never, ever see.

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First pass at some non tacky underdash lighting. I also have a soft start, delay and soft shut off for the lighting, its pretty cool in my opinion.

They will not be this bright, this is on 18 volts..

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Picked this stuff up from the upholster yesterday. Not exactly what I had in mind but it will work. The color is a little more purple in person but it looks pretty cool Carpet is totally the wrong color. Interior looks very european, exactly what I was shooting for.

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Started it up tonight, same noise. It almost sounds a little quieter but that could just be that there is an interior and a console in there. Its still there.

I believe at this point for me, I am done with the truck in its current state. I do not feel like pulling the motor and purchasing a new crate engine for the truck and investing another $7,000 in a truck that I already went over budget already, and that still does not guarantee that it is not something in the transmission.

Signing off for a while....Thanks all for following along.

Sean

Subscribing, even though I don't like Fords ;)

I've been there, chasing a tick that just doesn't sound right. At this point, why not pull in a pro? Someone to physically be there and do that? BTDT sort of people know statistics on sounds like that.

If it's the low end, so be it, either tear into it or run it until it blows.

Wait, what? What Grendel said above...drive the sucker. If she blows, she blows, you won't even hear the ticking noise at ThunderHill, with you helmet on. I can't imagine that those engines are big bucks anyway. Yards are probably full of them, and can be had for very little, I'm guessing. You've come too far to let this stop you from making the trip. It's probably one of those infamous Ford timing chain noises. Those engines have a lot of chain in them. RUN IT!!! This build is killer!!!!

I agree...run it til it blows...or doesn't.

The 8.1 lt in my 2002 truck has made all sorts of noises from deep inside ever since it was new. All of the GM haters told me it'll never last, the cold start knock would give it an early death.

I've run it short on oil many many times, ran the dog snot out of it and abused it pulling loads way over capacity...and it still runs like a top...220,000 miles later.

Barney's crate engine had some pretty significant valve train noise ever since new as well. Probably the stamped steel rockers...never stopped me from running it like crazy as well.

Don't give up now!!!!

Should have started the motor while the tranny was out then you know it's not the problem

Starter mounts to the bellhousing, no way to start it without the transmission on the engine unfortunately.

Sorry for the brief reply earlier fellas.....was on the dyno.

I appreciate the kind words and words of encouragement. Just really frustrated.

Took it over to a friends shop today and rolled it on the dyno...not for HP just to listen to it with a load on it and get a fresh set of eyes on it. We could not hear **** on the dyno, its really loud with the truck, the rollers, the fans and stuff so we just took it out and drove around. We figured that its a pretty loud version of the tick I hear at idle.

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So we got it up on the rack and ran it. Its coming from something in the motor from what we can tell, the noise is the loudest at the side of the block. Took the opportunity to shoot a couple pics of the underside for the potential parts buyers =)

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Its not loud enough to sound like its coming apart and they both said they would just run it. Put some thicker fluid in it and run it.

So I came home, picked up some 5w50 which is what they run in the track pack cars.

Drained the oil when I got home and got a little bit of a suprise.....a whole bunch of metal

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It is not a ton of metal, but its metal, and its in the oil, there are some flakes in there that are bigger than just the glitter in the oil.

I wanted an answer, guess I got it.

Can you post up a couple different pictures of this metal that you speak of?
The thing only has 20k miles on it, right?

I cannot seem to get any good photos of the oil in the pan. Ill try. I am by no means an engine rebuilder. I know that small glitter in the oil is sometimes understandable or ok. But small flakes of metal in the oil are not ok. I ran a magnet through the tailings of metal in the oil and some of it sticks to the metal some other stays in the pan.

I woke up and said F u truck and got to work like any other project. 2 hours later Engine was bolted on the stand and I was ready to order a crate engine this time.

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One interesting thing. There is one good hot spot on the flywheel and pressure plate, I am going to reach out to ACT and see what they say There was no hot spot on the factory stuff.

Ordering a few things and looking for a little more information. If I can get a motor, I should be able to get it installed in an evening with a little bit of help with the front clip.

I am going to flip it over in a little bit and pull the pan and see what the heck happened.

Screw you Coyote engine....screw you.

Sean

Something to keep in mind.......when your crate motor shopping. The new ones (I assume picked from fords supply for the 15 and up stang)have some differences in the oil filter adapter area. I would spend a little time clarifying this but I have one from a 15 and the frpp oil filter relocation adapter does not work as its intended for the earlier coyote. Hopefully I can prevent an unexpected headache for you. I respect your perseverance. Keep up the good work.

I'll see you in California...

Good luck, Sean!

Given the speed with which you operate, I assume the pan is long off and you've found the issue...

Please update when you can. I'm still hoping for something simple...

That was some of the best advice I have gotten on the oil filter adapter area. Thank you for the advice.

:confused59:

Thank you....pretty sure I need it.

Well it definately is not something simple. Pan has been off though, lots more metal in it.

Unfortunately this motor is shot. It is believed that it was something that happened during the accident. I pulled the pan, there are big flakes of bearings in it. Like the size of a q tip.

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The engine has excessive end play with an audible clunk when moving it back and forth in the engine. You can feel it with your hands when moving it back and forth.

New Service engine has been ordered from Ford. This will be cam covers to pan, will require my intake, accessories and other stuff but I am just fine with that. Comes with a 3 year warranty.

Motor should be here Wednesday, hope to have it in the truck and ironing out the final details this weekend and putting some miles on it if all goes well.

Cross your fingers, its going to be a whirlwind couple of weeks I think =)

Got home and got almost all of the accessories off the engine just to make sure I was not missing anything to get it put back together. Only need to pull the alternator off tomorrow.

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Sean

My very first engine upgrade project as a teenager was a 4 bolt main 350 I traded for out of a recently wrecked 2nd Gen Camaro that I put in my 1978 Monte Carlo. It spun a rod bearing about 3 weeks later...

I'm pretty sure some damage happened to it during it's accident as well.

Sorry for your luck but it looks like you have a good plan in place.

You are one motivated dude! I'm pretty sure that I'm speaking for the crowd when I say that if you show up at Thunderhill, your beer will be free, regardless of how much you require. If you do not require beer, it will undoubtedly be consumed in your honor.

On a related note, I've always had my best luck with used engines--it's been the opposite with machine shops. Here's hoping the crate version does the trick.

I have never had this bad of luck on an engine to be honest and I have bought a ton of engines. It just so happens that its likely the most spendy of them all. Sometimes that is how the cookie crumbles.

Oh I have no intentions of not making it there. Pretty much plan on hell or highwater Ill be driving that direction next Friday morning.

I have had my very best luck with used factory engines and never had much luck with rebuilds. I am hoping that the factory engine does me well.

Ill drink your beer my friend!!!! Looking forward to meeting lots of new faces by the way.

Oh man....hope that big girl shows up tomorrow.

Got my pre oiler built so I can put all of my oil in through the block and get the new motor nicely oiled up before start up. I popped off a cam cover and rotated the crank over while putting the lube in and sure enough, I had lots of oil coming up onto the cam while rotating it over. Should work sweet on the new engine too.

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Now you guys might be laughing but for like $12.00 it works really well. The end of the sprayer is 1/4" so a 1/4" brass coupler and a piece of 1/4" brass pipe and it bolted right where the oil pressure sender was located.

With that done, I had a few things on the interior that were bugging the crap out of me. The dash was still not bolted in so I got that cleaned up and bolted in, its not picture worthy but its in there and I can get a few things buttoned up. Little bit at a time right.

Sorry for the finger in the picture..

These were bugging the crap out of me. They looked terrible on the newly upholstered seats.

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Got my upholstery skills out and got to work on them.

Its all about the little things right??

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Looks so much better in my opinion.

Now, do I paint the seat brackets? Wrap them in Vinyl? I have no clue. I need to try and get some carpet dye or something, the copper color is terrible.

Thanks for following along and all of the words of encouragement fellas.

Sean

I just went through the whole build and you did an awesome job on this truck. Sorry about the engine issues, but I love your perseverance.

Did you figure out your vibration issues?

Thanks Jay. Its a bummer about the engine, but not much I can do really. Pretty sure I had 2 vibrations, one in the engine and one in the driveline. Hoping I only have one in a few days and non next week =)

Well, motor showed up at Ford around 2 so I headed down there and picked it up. I was pleasantly surprised for once, Not only were all the parts there, on time and they loaded it up for me. They gave me a $300 in store credit after the purchase I was not expecting..

Not to mention the engine came with more parts than expected!! New intake, water pump, idler pulley, motor picking eyes that made our job so much easier. Also came with all the sensors on the engine proper.

Got it home and got it all unloaded....did I mention how nice those picking points were?

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We then worked on transfering all of the parts onto the new engine, accessories, alternator, injectors, new Pilot bearing, transmission spacer plate, exhaust manifolds, flywheel, clutch and pressure plate. I also pulled the oil pressure switch and ran three quarts of fluid through my pre oiler setup. You could hear the oil making its way back to the oil pan, and pulling the fill cap you could see it running out of the timing gears and the cam. It was pretty neat actually. Rotated the crank shaft while pre oiling as well.

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Might just make it to T Hill after all....if I don't it will not be from a lack of effort :woohoo:

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Its about ready for the front clip to go back on. I need to swap on a couple of pigtails on the harness for a change in connector at the Cam Solenoid.

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I should be pretty close to firing it up tomorrow night.

Sean

:gitrdun:

Saweeeeeet! Nicely Done! Just when all hope looked lost. Too bad I'm on the Right Coast and can't see this little miracle in action.

Way to persevere. Hope to see you at Thunderhill.

Looks like it will be raining based on current forecast. :drowninga:

Woot Woot!!!!!!

Show that turd who's boss!!!!!

I am so sick of the rain and I was really thinking that we would get out of it for a few days.

Working on it!!

Made some good progress tonight. Have everything back together ready to start......Not too sure how I overlooked it but apparently this thing comes with a pan full of oil? Well, I did not check it first and added oil and ended up with a ton of oil in there. So I had to drain it all out and start over, guess I need to get more oil tomorrow and fire it up :tv_happy:

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You kind of have to laugh at this...at least its all I could do. That is a lot of oil.:wacko:

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Hope the weather stays dry and I can make it to cars and coffee or something saturday, maybe get the driveline vibration ironed out and get a few miles on it.

Sean

Yeah, the website says that engine comes with an 8 quart capacity pan...that's a lot of oil!
I'm really excited for you about this build!

lol... That's a helluva lot better than starting it up with no oil in it!!

Does Ford break their crate engine in on a dyno before shipping them? Seems strange to me that it shipped with oil in it.

Nice.

Do I hear of a stroker out of the other motor in your future?

Probably not a stroker motor but maybe a built bottom end =)

Thanks everyone for the kind words and encouragement.

I was cautiosly optimistic last night. Made sure that this big girl had the right amount of oil in her.

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Got the oil in and fired it up. First turn of the key. Lifters pumped up and I had oil pressure right away. Then my oil pressure sender on the dash went to 0 and EE which means error or no signal :-X16

Shut it off and checked the wiring and sender again, all good fired it up and same thing.

So I ran to the parts house and picked up a mechanical oil pressure guage, removed the factory sender and got this one in its place. Fired it up again and no issues with oil pressure, its a sender or Dakota Digital thing. Ill iron that out this week.

Got it up to temp and got the coolant all topped off and checked everything else out. All looks good.

First trip around the block and its nice and quiet.

Got inside the house about midnight and the shop was a pile of a mess. Weather was supposed to be ok and dry for the first time in what seems like months.

Got up at 5 and got back to work.

Worked on getting the new shifter extension built and installed and the new shift boot and ring glued up and installed. Turned out really good I think

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Buttoned up a few things, got the new plates on, cleaned the windows and hit the road for the first real time ever.

Drove south of town a ways and hit the cars and coffee.

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Was really interesting to hear people's thoughts an opinions on the truck. People would walk right past it, stop, come back, walk around it and then smile. Lots of people wanted to talk with me about about it. Made me feel good.

Found that 5th gear has an issue with the synchros, Ill have to deal with that but its going to have to wait till I get back. Ill have to deal with it, its not stopping me now.

Had a little noise in the frontend, came home and found that there is a lower balljoint that is pretty trashed so I need to swap that out as well.

Other than that, the truck is pretty awesome, the manual and three pedals is just so refreshing and very, very fun to drive.

Got almost 75 miles on it today without a hiccup from the engine.

Order more parts today.

Sean