You do understand that Ron managed all of my track cars.... for YEARS.... He was my driver coach - car / tire / motor / brakes / set up.... So while you had a few parts from him -- So did I... and everything worked great -- until it didn't.

If you go back and read -- this was not about the hasty build... which wasn't hasty by the way... It was about all the other people that did NOT have a good experience... and there's quite a few.

You are over reacting Greg. It's like you think the car showed up a month after the first shakedown day with the same issues.

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Oh wait. Never mind. It was exactly the same problems but with powder coating added.

No winners here unfortunately, a real shame for all.

Money.

People kill each other over the stuff. I hear chasing it can be more addictive than beer.

Come on Rob, you’ve got to give credit where credits due. It also had an exceptional wrap job, parts falling off and the oh so important sealing of the cockpit.
What a turd!

You and Greg need a snickers bar. You become project Divas when you’re hungry.

Bingo, after talking to RS about it and then not being convinced by the answer (i'm an inquisitive person already, and an engineer as well), I talked to Tobin at Kore3 and got some more insight. I was being told my W6A calipers were FLEXING which was causing my poor braking performance and was told to buy some new calipers which he happened to be a vendor for! Instead I changed a couple master cylinders to get my brake line pressure where it should be, and all was gravy. Spent ~$100 instead of several grand.

I feel bad for anyone that doesn't have a somewhat technical mindset as guys like that pray on those without the knowledge and experience in order to make a sale.

William

I don't know how much clearer of a picture a guy could try to paint.... When "wrong parts" means your engine internals aren't what you paid for.... When you use big words like "optimized" and then sell stock off the shelf stuff.... When you use big words like "secret sauce" but someone else has to explain to you that they had to give him a class on how to do stuff.... the secret part means it's just "BS".... When you've been sued in the past for scamming people.... and you're doing it again..... just in a different place and with a different twist..... I don't care how many of you had good experiences in the past - you were just the lucky ones "this time".

I don't see how anyone can dispute it at this point.

These guys have to treat people right for a while to get the connections and their foot in the door. Really, Greg was romanced for years and that engendered a trust that I'm sure led to a bunch of new business.

I was one of the main guys for Frank. He always treated me right and delivered a quality piece to me out of his shop. I'm sure that led to all kinds of opportunity for him.

There will always be naysayers. Those in denial who refuse to believe that they could possibly get took by a person who treats them so well. They figure that since they’ve spent a few grand with someone, that makes them friends. And a friend would never steal from them, right?
I watched the end of the Prodigy deal come down, and I saw several people claim that they could not believe that a guy like Frank would do this to them. They were “friends”...
I feel like we are seeing version 2.0 unfold, and when the dust settles, there will be many hurt “friends”. It hurts to watch.

Just on this very specific topic and having no bearing on anything else. Those calipers are junk. There is a reason they don't make them anymore and they were replaced with the Aero6.

I don’t doubt that. And after using multiple products I feel most of wilwood stuff is junk. Doesn’t change the fact that following his advice I’d have paid several grand for what $100 in MC fixed.

I was sold the wilwood I have by another vendor on here claiming them as an awesome setup. And here we are.

They’ll be replaced eventually, but for now I’m enjoying driving it and they work well enough for my skill level.

Something everyone should remember, including myself.

Luckily I learned it early as I was a college kid thrashing on a cheap 4th gen. Cheap suspension, cheapish brakes and decent tires. I feel i was just getting the hang of it after probably 10k miles at TWS in that car. Now trying to learn on something much more capable, much more power, much less experience with it. I doubt i get into much brake fade or caliper flex on the autocrossing i'm doing with it right now.

Next setup will be something more, track oriented, and less budget friendly i'm sure. Maybe these will end up on my C10!

Am I the only one who feels that this threads title is also applicable to that one time when you trusted a fart and e shouldn't have . ? ... Asking for a friend... yeah uh Bill is his name

I'm going the League of Shadows route on this one. This thread is beyond saving, and must be allowed to die.

We're creating serious divisions in our community guys. Is it worthit?
Everything that can be said, has been. People have already made up their minds, and there's nothing anyone can do to change it. Not what this forum is suppose to be about.

I'm not sure i see the division you do. I see someone trying his best to point out issues he's having to keep people from making the same mistake. He has said numerous times that if you want to continue to business with him, feel free, but he's clearing his conscious from the potential for having someone do business when he could have warned them.

At the end of the day, everyone is entitled to spend their own money, their own way!

I think this thread should get a sticky :headspin:

Well whatever. Just my .02 I didnt expect anything different

I’d say make the thread a sticky so the history doesn’t get buried but close it.

I agree the points have all been made and now people who weren’t involved are at each other.

Fact. Ron started this thread and then dissapeared.
Fact. If there was something said on here that wasn’t true he had every opportunity to defend himself.
Fact. Ron F’d Greg over .
Fact. Ron helped some people out with thier setups.
Fact. Ron delivered parts ordered to some people.
Fact. Ron took an unreasonably long amount of time to fill some comitments he made.
Fact. Ron made comitments he never made good on.
Fact. Ron filed for BK.
Fact. Ron put his supposed friend and professional driver in an unsafe cockpit full of oil fumes (stuff is flamable and you shouldn’t breath it)
Fact. Ron didn’t pay some of his vendors for products or services provided that he sold to customers.

The final fact is everyone has a right to read this thread and make thier own decision to thier own benifit or detriment.

So believe the guy desperate to make a buck who has, and is, filing BK.
Or
Believe the guy with more $$ than I will ever have or could imagine having, a guy who regularily helps people out and is generous to anyone who hangs out with him, for admitting he was a dumba$# for being duped by a snake oil salesman and is trying to warn those who can’t afford to waste thousands of duckets like he did.

New reality TV series
 

I think Velocity or Discovery should get with the program, another reality TV series, or soap opera ,,,,, As the Wheels Turn...

Yep. Both parties (and plenty others) have spoken.

We're done here.