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parsonsj 12-18-2006 07:47 AM

Countersunk washers
 
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did you fabricate the washers for the countersunk bolts, or are they available somewhere?
I would have gone insane if I had made the dozens of c'sunk washers! They are available from McMaster-Carr. I got the titanium fasteners from a place called "Coast Fabrication" who specialize in making available small quantities of mil-spec aircraft hardware to racers.

jp

syborg tt 12-18-2006 07:50 AM

looking at the pictures (more please) i really can't find anything i would do different.

So in as few words as i can come up with.

I aspire to build something to this level one day as this car is really a work of art.

Congrads on this awesome project.

MarkM66 12-18-2006 08:09 AM

Car turned out great John! Hope it still hits the track sometime. :thumbsup:

Should of put a tweed interior in it though, ;) .

ProTouring442 12-18-2006 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by parsonsj
I would have gone insane if I had made the dozens of c'sunk washers! They are available from McMaster-Carr. I got the titanium fasteners from a place called "Coast Fabrication" who specialize in making available small quantities of mil-spec aircraft hardware to racers.

jp

hmmm... do you know what they are called in the McMaster-Carr catalog? I have looked several times for them in the past and come up short.

Shiny Side Up!
Bill
'72 442 "Inamorata"
www.FQuick.com/ProTouring442

parsonsj 12-18-2006 08:58 AM

pn 95481A011
 
Bill,

Search for pn 95481A011 on the McMaster site. That's the pn for #10 machine screws countersunk washers.

If you want to spend more money, Longacre Racing has some very very trick ones for 1/4" stuff.

jp

Stuart Adams 12-18-2006 09:31 AM

I like the color. Nice car. :thumbsup:

Steve1968LS2 12-18-2006 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by parsonsj
I would have gone insane if I had made the dozens of c'sunk washers! They are available from McMaster-Carr. I got the titanium fasteners from a place called "Coast Fabrication" who specialize in making available small quantities of mil-spec aircraft hardware to racers.

jp

Ha.. Coast Fab is just down the street. That's where I got my Aero-catches. Cool place!

ProTouring442 12-18-2006 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by parsonsj
Bill,

Search for pn 95481A011 on the McMaster site. That's the pn for #10 machine screws countersunk washers.

If you want to spend more money, Longacre Racing has some very very trick ones for 1/4" stuff.

jp


You rock my friend!

Shiny Side Up!
Bill
'72 442 "Inamorata"
www.FQuick.com/ProTouring442

Sales@Dutchboys 12-18-2006 06:06 PM

John Since its out to the pubic will you be posting some build pics?

Also what stops are you going to be making with that bad boy this year?

Great car.

Paul

parsonsj 12-18-2006 07:19 PM

Appearances
 
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what stops are you going to be making?
I'm not sure of all the places I'll have the car in 2007, but I'm committed to the Eyes on Design show in Detroit in June.

I'm fairly certain I'll make the Year One in Atlanta (May), Good Guys in Columbus (July), and Run through the Hills in Tennessee (September).

jp

awr68 12-18-2006 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by parsonsj
I'm not sure of all the places I'll have the car in 2007, but I'm committed to the Eyes on Design show in Detroit in June.

I'm fairly certain I'll make the Year One in Atlanta (May), Good Guys in Columbus (July), and Run through the Hills in Tennessee (September).

jp

Don't forget to stop by my place (I know it's a small detour), I need a ride!!! :yes:

How about SEMA '07, that's the closest you would probably get to me...

parsonsj 12-18-2006 08:25 PM

Sema 2007
 
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How about SEMA '07?
I'd love to have the car there! I'm hoping I can find a spot.

jp

awr68 12-18-2006 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by parsonsj
I'd love to have the car there! I'm hoping I can find a spot.

jp

I wouldn't think that would be a problem.....I have a feeling '07 will be a year like no other for ya!! :thumbsup:

parsonsj 12-19-2006 05:16 AM

Thanks Anthony
 
Anthony,

Thanks for the kudos. You know how long this has taken and all the wrong paths I went down before I started figuring things out. I really hope I can get out to SEMA next year!

jp

Steve1968LS2 12-19-2006 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by parsonsj
I'd love to have the car there! I'm hoping I can find a spot.

jp

Start going down your parts list and calling compaines. I'm sure a company would jump at the chance to have a high-end ride like your in thier booth.

I really like the color.

parsonsj 12-19-2006 07:28 AM

Color
 
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I really like the color.
Steve, have you seen Johnny's shots of the car yet? I'd guess he'd do a good job of getting the color balance right ...

jp

Damn True 12-19-2006 08:04 AM

Love it JP absolutely LOVE IT.



To others: It's ok to not like certain aspects of a car. It's ok to say so as well. Everyone is entitled to an opinion and they are all equally valid regardless of one's "resume".

ProdigyCustoms 12-19-2006 04:01 PM

It will have to be repainted to show at SEMA in a year from all the road rash its going to get!

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Originally Posted by parsonsj
Anthony,

Thanks for the kudos. You know how long this has taken and all the wrong paths I went down before I started figuring things out. I really hope I can get out to SEMA next year!

jp


Sales@Dutchboys 12-19-2006 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by parsonsj
I'm not sure of all the places I'll have the car in 2007, but I'm committed to the Eyes on Design show in Detroit in June.

I'm fairly certain I'll make the Year One in Atlanta (May), Good Guys in Columbus (July), and Run through the Hills in Tennessee (September).

jp

Will we be seeing that thing making laps! or in the show? At year one.

Roger Poirier 12-19-2006 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by c.schulz
John,

The things you have told me about your "Design Committee" what a great bunch of friends you have also.In not one way did they steer you wrong.

Chris Schulz

John,

Can you tell us any more about this? When you say "Design Committee" are you referring from an engineer / mechanical fabricating or design meaning color and look?

I asked alot of people's thoughts on my project, some of which were good ideas, however it was my dime, my fianal decision....

R.P.

Roger Poirier 12-19-2006 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by parsonsj
I'm fairly certain I'll make the Year One in Atlanta (May), Good Guys in Columbus (July), and Run through the Hills in Tennessee (September). jp

John,

This is looking more like my schedule too. All these events will be a first for me.
You can then pull me aside and show me your engineering marvels. I'm a rookie, however, I know detail!

PS. Heck they should put you on Modern Marvels TV show.

R.P.

parsonsj 12-19-2006 08:22 PM

Design committee
 
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Can you tell us any more about this? When you say "Design Committee" are you referring from an engineer / mechanical fabricating or design meaning color and look?
The design committee is a group of friends that I trusted with color/texture/presentation issues. When I wasn't sure what I thought, I'd convene the design committee and we'd kick some ideas around. Sometimes they'd split on their recommendation, and sometimes they'd be unanimous in what they thought.

I'd take those ideas and incorporate them, or change them, or ignore them, but it was very very helpful to hear their opinions. Luckily, they'd tell me what they really thought, not what they thought I wanted to hear. I only trust a few people to tell me I am an idiot. :) Sometimes, I'd ignore them for awhile, and then come around to their manner of thinking. Sometimes it would work the other way around.

I started this project thinking I'd do it all myself. I've learned that's nearly impossible, and a few buddies' support can really help you build a better car.

jp

Roger Poirier 12-19-2006 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by parsonsj
I only trust a few people to tell me I am an idiot. :)
jp

Very funny, but true.

R.P.

awr68 12-19-2006 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by parsonsj
a few buddies' support can really help you build a better car.

jp

aint that the truth!!

ProTouring442 12-20-2006 03:48 AM

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Originally Posted by parsonsj
Luckily, they'd tell me what they really thought, not what they thought I wanted to hear. I only trust a few people to tell me I am an idiot. :) Sometimes, I'd ignore them for awhile, and then come around to their manner of thinking. Sometimes it would work the other way around.

I started this project thinking I'd do it all myself. I've learned that's nearly impossible, and a few buddies' support can really help you build a better car.

jp

It's funny, but I know exactly what you mean here. While niether mine nor my my father's cars are to the level of detail of you (amazing) car, and they are of a different style, maintaining a constant theme can be quite difficult. Sometimes we come up with ideas that, upon further reflection, don't mesh with the overall design we had in mind. This can be especially true when it comes to interior and paint. As an example of what I mean, a wild paint job with a stock looking interior doesn't "flow." Since each of our cars is aimed at a different design theme, what would work well on his would look out of place on mine. It can all be quite nerve racking!

You did an awsome job! Please get us some real pics asap, I need more for my screen saver!

Shiny Side Up!
Bill
'72 442 "Inamorata"
www.FQuick.com/ProTouring442

Garage Dog 65 12-20-2006 08:37 AM

That's one of the most intriguing parts of car building for me is the path a person takes to build their project. I truly love looking at the finished product and the levels of craftsmanship that is in this industry today - but I also greatly enjoy the back story of the design, selection, and building part of the deal too. How someone decided what to build, how to build it, what parts they chose, what engineering fore thought went into their decision and why, and I really like hearing about the struggles we all go through balancing costs, time, family, work, compromise, little garage - to big shop, tools, technique, friends help - to me (and maybe I'm just strange ??) that as much of the story as the awesome car at the show. Any one of the above items in the list will stop you dead in your tracks (especially the money part...) When you get to see the progress pics available via technologies (like this valuable site and others) and read all the back story details - you simply have to have a huge respect for those folks like John who can make it though all the perils and challenges - and STILL deliver an unbelievable car. Thanks John for the build ride - - and the car !! Thank your committee too - they done good. :hail:

Jim

Damn True 12-20-2006 10:56 AM

Well said Jim. I could not agree more.

rocketman 12-20-2006 07:42 PM

Totally cool car,it's nice to see something besides a camaro.did a great job,color is very refreshing.

The 1st year I have missed the PRI in 10 yrs,It pissed me off they moved it Orlando.

Ricochet 12-20-2006 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Garage Dog 65
That's one of the most intriguing parts of car building for me is the path a person takes to build their project. I truly love looking at the finished product and the levels of craftsmanship that is in this industry today - but I also greatly enjoy the back story of the design, selection, and building part of the deal too. How someone decided what to build, how to build it, what parts they chose, what engineering fore thought went into their decision and why, and I really like hearing about the struggles we all go through balancing costs, time, family, work, compromise, little garage - to big shop, tools, technique, friends help - to me (and maybe I'm just strange ??) that as much of the story as the awesome car at the show. Any one of the above items in the list will stop you dead in your tracks (especially the money part...) When you get to see the progress pics available via technologies (like this valuable site and others) and read all the back story details - you simply have to have a huge respect for those folks like John who can make it though all the perils and challenges - and STILL deliver an unbelievable car. Thanks John for the build ride - - and the car !! Thank your committee too - they done good. :hail:

Jim

As said earlier...Very well written Jim. I personally enjoy seeing what it took to get to the finished product than just seeing the finished product.

Brent

parsonsj 12-21-2006 10:00 AM

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I also greatly enjoy the back story of the design, selection, and building part of the deal too. How someone decided what to build, how to build it, what parts they chose, what engineering fore thought went into their decision and why
If you guys remember, my front suspension article is written that way. And it's a credit to Johnny that it came out that way. He hated my first submission, and told me to re-write it to tell the story of how the suspension came to be. It was much easier to write (at least for me) instead of writing to make sure to plug all the manufacturers.

I've got an engine story that might be similarly interesting, but I've struggled getting the tech data right. Perhaps some day.

jp

kennyd 12-21-2006 02:39 PM

great job, i really like the color choice . the countersunk washer headed bolts what size are they on the innerfender? i have looked for these in 1/4 and 5/16 . the mc master catalog dont have these in these sizes . i have thought of making these on the lathe but if i can buy them it would be easier .

parsonsj 12-21-2006 03:11 PM

95481a029
 
Kenny,

Look for pn 95481A029 in the McMaster website or on page 3067 in their catalog.

jp

Rick Dorion 12-22-2006 08:54 AM

Fantastic John!

What 'spacers' or something do you have under the countersunk washers? Looks great.

XcYZ 12-22-2006 09:02 AM

I have both McMaster Carr and Newark Electronics catalogs... if you can't find what you need in either of those 3k+ page catalogs, it doesn't exist. lol

parsonsj 12-22-2006 09:47 AM

Spacers?
 
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What 'spacers' or something do you have under the countersunk washers? Looks great.
Thanks Rick (and others)!

I'm not sure what you mean by spacers, though. On the inner fenderwells, the flat countersunk cap screws use a black countersunk washer to spread the load across as much area as possible to keep the aluminum from dimpling.

Unless you meant somewhere else, there is no spacer: just a bolt and washer.

jp

Rick Dorion 12-22-2006 10:21 AM

Thanks, John. It's the washer I was seeing and trying to describe.


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