Ron has a good car, and knows how to tune a Nitro motor.


We got the record in this car at 233 its a 29
We put a A motor in it and qualified at about 270 but missed the record run because of a spark plug wire.
Is there an easy way to make this pic smaller?

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NO, WHAT I WAS SAYING WAS THAT WAS A REAL 200MPH RUN,
and you can push anything to 200mph or past, even something that resembles a brick.
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nice rod James, i have never been to the salts but have heard pleanty stories from the old times(no offense if your old;) )
it sounds like a great time

I decided to do a 6 point because with all I want to do with the car, I will not be able to do anything without it. I don't want to, but what are you gonna do?:( I will install it by spring, with a camera mount!!:D

I have said I do not know if the car will reach 200 mph in the mile on 93 octane, it may hit 190, 195, 205, I won't know till I try. My guess is somewhere around 195'ish. It has the power capability. That's why I am looking at my overdrive issue with a different trans. I need a manual trans.
I only have enough gear right now to do about 155 mph.
I made 750 rwhp with my old small turbos and 5 less psi, 5 psi make a lot of power, ahould be about 800-850 rwhp on 93 octane alone, I can verify in spring on the dyno, but who cares, I have about 1000 hp at the crank, give or take is does not matter. That is about enough power to go about 200 in the mile, that is why I am trying to prepare for it.'


I feel I have a very safe car and is setup to do this. I have no aero mods, but may not need any, who knows. I have seen similar cars go that fast with no problem, I posted a pic of it earlier.

My car is pretty much set up for road course right now. I have ultra stiff suspension, the car is droped to the ground, I have all new poly/heim joint suspension, very good tires, and the biggest brakes that will fit.

As far as drag, I have really good wax on the car, That should be good for another 10 mph!!:D


So what else am I supposed to have?? Air dam maybe? That is all I can thiink of.

270 mph!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11:willy: :faint: :hail:

my best advice to you nitrorocket is drive your car over to a couple of the guys who have driven over 200 plus and let them take a look at your ride and see what they think, they would as they have already mentioned have alot of exsperiance in the safety, enginering, yada,yada, yada(which you do not have and which is the most important when attempting what you are trying to do) they are just trying to help you achieve you goal safely.

That is a good idea, but I have to find someone local. I talked to the guy with the red Z28 I posted and he sadi the 200 mph blast was like nothing. Basically same setup, but he has a Camaro body, I have a Chevelle body.:_paranoid

It is comforting to hear first hand that it was not scary. :D

As far as being safe, I think I have the bases as covered as can. Hopefully the areo is not a big deal.

Like this guy, not very aero, but still did it!!!:D I need to track down and talk to more people with fast cars that did the mile.:thumbsup:

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a50.../Stevescar.jpg

you should block the grill off and add an airdam minimum. that way at least you'll force some air over instead off under the car . and ducktape your window mouldings or you will never see them again. you mat want to ditch the mirrors everything helps.

I can't block off the grill, I would blow the motor with the intercooler blocked, and for that run I will REALLY need an intercooler.:D
I wonder what effect raising the rear of the hood 1"or2" would do??
Ditching the mirrors are a good idea!:thumbsup:

Your chassis, your vehicle weight and your power level....

Will require spring rate and (DEFINATELY) hide height changes with your power level and lack of being "aero friendly". The hood trick is an oldie, but a goodie... to a point. Using lake skinnies in-lieu-of the steam rollers will also help aero. The biggest thing in a non "aero friendly" body is to get it as LOW as possible. This in itself, explains the spring rate change requirement.

Sure one could push any brick past 200mph, but as it was stated in a previous post... it will require dedicated engineering common sense and more money than you have to spend, "to do it easily" as some here suspect. Its not just a "all you need is money or knowhow"... its a lot of both. Yup... you could just write a check (and we all know how I feel about checkbook writers)... but that doest manifest the experience, maturity or common sense it takes to tie your shoes.

A point that some are making is rather pointed towards aero, weight and downforce and needs to be paid peticular attention to. Spinning the wheels, even at 150mph will unsettle the chassis enough to introduce mortality. The experience gained by doing incremental events to attain your goal will make your efforts worth even more.

This whole subject is like giving a 5 year old child, with no knowledge or experience with hand guns, a loaded .45ACP. We all know the potential of killing oneself... and if any one of us could stop that from happening... we will.

I say go for it man... just do it smartly.

Nitro,

Where is the standing mile event you are thinking of? Is it Maxton? If so, the Z28 you referred to was asked to leave when he went 200 without the right safety equipment, right? Seems like it might have been one of the guys from Speed Inc.?

I see the bug has bitten you, as you have gone from not wanting to modify the stock interior, etc. to talking cage, and harnesses. I must have missed when you said what your suspension and brake mods are. All you mention is high spring rates and the biggest brakes that will fit. Any specifics?

I have said it before and will say it once more. Most of the posts I have read here are expressing genuine concern for your personal safety and that of those in the immediate vicinity when you make your attempt. If you can actually pull it off and have it documented, most, if not all of us, will think it is really cool.

High speed wheelspin would worry me a lot without a way to create some downforce. I have experienced wheelspin at around 100 mph with little more than half of your horsepower, and it was a little creepy. At twice that speed I am afraid that things could happen pretty fast if the car gets out from under you.

Good luck.

Look me up at WOW next weekend, I will be right across from the 32 Ford display and the pinstripe artists. There is a good chance that Jeff S will be there. It would be good for you to pick his brain. He has a lot of experience in high speed competition.

I'll be there all day Sunday, my son Dale will be there Fri,Sat, Sun.
I hope to see you guys then.
Jeff S

reminds me of This video of a subaru going 190 mph on a wet road.

really captures how fast and how much ground is covered at that speed.

I would like to try the Maxton, but It really does not matter where the event is held as the as the track is REAL flat.


I will have the car at WOW all weekend, I would love to meet up with someone and shoot the crap!!!:) Don't worry... from reading about me on the forums you would think I was a crazy person, I am just a guy that built his dream car and wants to run it like it's meant to be!!:cheers:

Like I have said, I will see how it goes, maybe the car will be out of control at only 180 mph and I will get out and then have to sort some things out. This spring at road america I might get to attemp at least 170-180 or so on the straight to get a feel for it. In either case I have to try before I can see what happens.:thumbsup:

My brakes are 13" C5 brakes with drileld and slotted rotors. The rears are 12 " PBR rear disc. The front springs are 850 lbs with a 7/8" sway bar, and the rear are 200 lbs with no bar. The car sits as low as posibble, I will take a pic of the new lowered height when I have it at WOW this weekend coming up.

I wonder what the red Z28 did not have that they booted him? He did not mention that.

You need a forward bar "Cage" to go over 175 at Maxton, he did not have it and went almost 200 earning him the "please leave".


Kurt

I have sent in my registration for the Road America event.

http://roadamerica.fbody.us/

I think I might have access to a radar gun to bring along to double check against wheelspin and speedometer error. :thumbsup:

Couldn't have been said better.........

Nitro? Have you noticed an echo in this thread? Another thing, most of the people echoing this sentiment are people that are Gurus in this field!

Sweet.... cant wait for pics. I dig your ride and would love to see the new stance.

The only other thing I would stress is alignment settings. Caster and toe will be the things to scrutinize, especially with the inhearent bump steer that is associated with your stock subframe and geometry. :yes:

I hope to have SC&C ball joints by Spring, that would correct all geometry problems. But with the T56 setup going in, I am not sure if the funds will be there or not.:rolleyes:

Well... not really. It wont net you any added caster, which is what you really need to increase, nor will the HOWE units impact the bumpsteer issues with the front steer system on that year chassis.

Think 6* to 6*+ caster and reducing the toe in effect of from the bumpsteer... not to mention that it actually bumps worse when you lower the chassis. :lateral:

The Upper control arms correct the caster don't they? New upper control arms have to be used with the ball joints.

Ahh yes... did not know you were doing the arms. You got that issue covered fo'show. :thumbsup:

First off all, I would not even think of going 200 MPH with only a 6 point rollbar in the car. Second, go back and read this thread from the start and take the advice given. Third, I know this is old school but, tape short lengths of yarn all over your cars body and have someone drive it on the freeway while you watch from another car. If you see yarn going anyway but straight back, that is an area that is creating lift and you need to minmize those areas.

Good luck and be safe.

Woodtufting... the cheapest aero testing known to man. Its an old favorite of mine, and all it takes is $3.50 in yarn and a gross of butterfly bandaid's.

I've done it when I was at Grumman, but never heard the term Woodtufting. It was referred to as Vector Field Analysis....but I like the term Woodtufting better!

My car will take 170 to go 200 mph then a Z28 Camaro, but being that the power is there, I somehow have to calculate how much more power I would need then the Red Z28 to hit 200 mph in the same amount of time and was running about 18 psi, or what he says is 750 rwhp in his car if I remember corectly. If that number is 170 hp, I need to fill with race gas and turn up the boost about 3-4 psi to make the same 200 mph standing mile. Is there a way to figure that out??
Also a 71 Chevelle aerodynamically has 8% lift at 100 mph as it came from the factory. I heard this is proportional, If so, would that mean I have 16% lift at 200 mph, or 608 lbs of total vehicle lift being It weighs 3800 lbs??
What do you think??

I am not sure about lift, but I think it was drag that increases exponentially with more mph, so rather than double, it may be more like 10x. I'm sure someone will chime in with better info.

I always thought drag was exponentially and lift was proportionally??? I could surely be wrong!

I am trying not to sound like a
 

D$(& head, but you have people here with a lot of expierence telling you what you need to do or at least what direction that you need to go and you are ignoring their advice.

I have no seat time trying to run over 150 mph but aero plays a huge role.

Stick you hand or your head out the window doing 30 mph and then do it at 100 mph...the resistance is exponential not proportional. The best example I can think of is in stereo sound. If 2 watts produce 5 db, it will take 4 watts to produce 6 db and 16 watts to produce 7 db...get the picture.

Not sure if you remember NASCAR a few years ago when all of the cars, shape similar to yours but with lots of wind tunnel work, were flying off the track. That is when roof flaps and restrictor plates started showing up.

I respect your dream of running 200, but you may need to rethink the vehicle to get you there. You can't get the power to the ground if the wheels are not touching the track....and no one has brought up tire that will not fail at those speeds.

Everyone is trying to keep you safe but it seems that you are turning a deaf ear.

Or not... I have heard everything, Whay do you think I am researching drag and lift?? Is there something someone wrote I dod not hear???

Nitro, no more. What is your point? You are truly going to kill yourself.

Have you ever seen how much the Nextel cars are moving around at 200 mph. One little bump and now you will be airborne. It takes alot of extra power when you create alot of down force to keep it on the ground.

Go rent a Ferrari or something, but don't try this in your Chevelle. Seriously.

200+ MPH, Stock Body, No Cage
 

Sounds like a candidate for the "Darwins".

This picturre is just for FUN. Remember that, please.

Nitro,
I hope everything works out for you, ya know, in a safe manner. Please, listen to the other members who have been there(raced around at 200MPH) and done that.



If his car gets to 200MPH...well, I think this could happen(look at picture)

I guess I will never post anything about this project again. :lol:

Some act like I am trying this with a F350 pickup truck. You say listen to all those with knowledge. Ive read everything,and am not telling anybody there info is wrong or that I do not care. Some have experience and have given some pointers. 90 percent of the other comments are from those with no experience and seem to thing the car will spontaneously combust at 200 mph.
Anything is possible and 200 is plenty attainable. I have the power , I will have the safety, I am researching all if any potential aero problems, and that's that! 180, 190+ is attained everyday by factory bodied Novas, Pontiacs, Chevelles, and Camaros in the quarter mile. Some with nothing more them just one simple "Promod" wing on the back for Aero.

I still say, If this guy can do 190 no problem, so can I!!!!!!!!!!

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a50.../Stevescar.jpg


My car will be ready in spring, and hopefuly sometime this summer when I get the funds to go to North Carolina, or find a more local 1 mile track, I will post my numbers.

Thanks!

Peace! :cheers:

Woodtufting was a term used by the old school cats. I first heard of this term from the Vince Piggins group white papers, which did the developmental work for GM's TransAm effort's in the 60's. I actually learned this process explicitly while doing work for Dryden FRC. It was a cheap 'proof of concept' tool without spending tons of money. All the VFA we did started with woodtufting, sometimes oil drop... and if the test vessel made it that far... it was scaled with pressure sensitive paint. First in grey scale, before moving on to color. The grey scale stuff was a trip... you could actually 'see' the fliud (ambient air) moving around an object.

...Im not making an antagonistic point with this, but they are doing those numbers with 1600-2000hp, chassis weights down near 2200lbs and pulling chutes at the end of that to stabilize the chassis and slow it down. Aero effect's start becoming a player at around 75mph.

I say... just keep up the homework over the next few months while your tinkering your way into spring. Sponge as much information as possible... and get some seat time. I wont say it cant be done, because it can. Your over zealous tone makes some people warry.

QUOTE:_ I still say, If this guy can do 190 no problem, so can I!!!!!!!!!!

please show us the article that made you aware that this car can run 190mph. As far as I'm aware Steves Granada is set up for drag racing,not flat out speed & that picture is at Santa Pod raceway which is a drag strip. How do you know that the guy isn't bull****ting about having run 190mph, he certainly wouldn't be the first to make outrageous claims would he? If that car had run 190mph ALL of our British custom/racing magazines would have run an article on it. As far as I'm aware that car hasn't been featured anywhere mainstream. If it's true that he has run those speeds, why don't you contact him & ask how he managed it? Incidentally, that so called "simple" pro mod wing is there for a purpose & it's not so simple as you may think to get the aero correct on one. It isn't just a case of bolt on a big wing & go for it. If the pro mods need something like that to run the numbers are you gonna fit one for high speed stability?? If not, why do the pro mods bother to fit them at all?

Take everyones advice on board, life is a very precious thing that can be snuffed out in an instant!!

Nitro I feel bad for you. Every time you post anything all you get is a million people lecturing you about safety. People recomended that you add a cage and upgrade your brakes and then you had threads about upgrading brakes and cage. Seems like you listened to me. When ever you start a thread I think oh man, he is about to get hammered again. Sounds to me like you realise that lift and drag are the things holding you back, and that you need to adress safety. If you take care of those I think it is atainable. People used to think going over the speed of sound was imposible in a plane. Luckely Chuck Yeager and the USAF challenged it anyway. I hope I didn't piss anyone off.

I'm thinking maybe I could take the Mule to the Moon....what do you all think ?

I think Nitro's already there.........:beathorse

Lets go!....I'm driving.

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