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Flash68 04-29-2012 11:36 PM

Yeah buddy. That's what I'm talkin about. Can't wait for that day! :thumbsup:

intocarss 04-29-2012 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 411114)
Yeah buddy. That's what I'm talkin about. Can't wait for that day! :thumbsup:

BadStinkyFinger is gona be one BadMutherF**ker :woot:

tones2SS 04-30-2012 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by intocarss (Post 410464)
This thread has gone so far South, we might as well

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3/...e-In-A-Keg.jpg

:lol:

Great updates Dave.

Flash68 05-02-2012 01:06 AM

Well we got some changes here fellas. When building a motor from scratch with a professional every change no matter how seemingly insignificant I'm finding can have a chain reaction of changes. :willy:

2 things we discovered just today that are key are that the heads have a combustion chamber of 47.5 cc (I was told 55 by seller). Ok that's ok and where Mike figured they would be in his experience with these heads, but it changes his comfort level of maximum efficiency of a dish piston required to achieve my targeted 11:1 compression. Remember, this is a STREET car :D.

He wants no more than 20 or so cc's in the dish to maintain "efficiency" and to do this we need to shorten the stroke a tad. That actually works out fine since I discovered today my crank that was ordered 2 weeks ago on a 6-8 week delivery estimate is now 4-5 months out. :lol:

The good thing is I only will lose a few cubes (about 7) by going to the 3.562 stroke. AND that stroke is supposedly easier to get and I should be able to get my crank here sooner to possibly speed up this build time.

I've also been researching my GM 053 intake that came with my top end that was supposedly ported by Reher Morrison. Doesn't appear that is the case and Mike says during our chat today that this intake is by far the weak link in my system and could cost as much as 50 hp. Ouch. Unacceptable. Talked to him about viable options (NOT the 18 degree intake on his shelf with 40 hrs of porting that I can have for $2000) and I brought up a 2 piece Edelbrock intake I saw on ebay yesterday that was ported by Wilson. The ad listed the port size and it was nearly dead nuts to the ports he measured on my heads. He said grab em so I got the intake for $350. Quite a bit less than $2000. :thumbsup:

So, a couple curveballs today but I like where it's headed now. :woot:

sixnina 05-02-2012 04:47 AM

Nice update Dave,
It sucks there are people out there willing to do anything to sell a part( your intake) But good you bounced back from that.
Shane

Sieg 05-02-2012 05:31 AM

Dave - Sorry to hear about the heads and crank delay. Hopefully the Wilson intake is as represented. What crank are you using?

MarkM66 05-02-2012 06:37 AM

Is shortening your stroke going to take away your quench area?

Vegas69 05-02-2012 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by MarkM66 (Post 411560)
Is shortening your stroke going to take away your quench area?

Piston and decking will handle that.

sik68 05-02-2012 08:12 AM

Good updates DG!

11:1 static compression with a 266* @ 0.050 is that going to give you enough dynamic compression? I'm sure they have you covered, just curious.

fleet 05-02-2012 08:37 AM

"just buy this and get it over with :D"



http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k1...07sp_ch056.jpg


Right back at 'ya slick!


:lol:

Flash68 05-02-2012 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sixnina (Post 411554)
Nice update Dave,
It sucks there are people out there willing to do anything to sell a part( your intake) But good you bounced back from that.
Shane

Well I got the top end so cheap that just the heads were almost worth what I paid for them + the intake and Jesel shaft rockers. So I knew I factored all of this in and I am still ahead on that. I honestly just think the seller passed on info he was told by the guy he bought them from.

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Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 411556)
Dave - Sorry to hear about the heads and crank delay. Hopefully the Wilson intake is as represented. What crank are you using?

Thanks but I like where this is going now and my crank was just ordered today and will be here next week instead of 4-6 more weeks. I upgraded to the Callies Comet for a couple hundred extra bucks. Better finishing than the F43 I am being told and weight is at a svelte 43 lbs... 10 lbs lighter than a Compstar.

Stroke is set at 3.562 and with 4.155 bore makes 386 cubes.

Todd, I'm wondering how heavy that Compstar BBC crank of yours is... might need to upgrade that. :lol:

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkM66 (Post 411560)
Is shortening your stroke going to take away your quench area?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vegas69 (Post 411563)
Piston and decking will handle that.

Piston is being designed from scratch and Mike has a grasp on this (I don't claim to). Unlike many engine builders (assemblers) that call up XYZ Piston Co. and say tell me what I need, Mike specs it all himself and calls in the order to his specs. And we are building a motor he has done many times over so I have utmost confidence. Just trying to learn as much as I can in the process. :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by sik68 (Post 411572)
Good updates DG!

11:1 static compression with a 266* @ 0.050 is that going to give you enough dynamic compression? I'm sure they have you covered, just curious.

Haven't dynamic vs static with him, so I assume he is not concerned as he is voices all his concerns very openly with me. For a "budget" 18 degree motor he has been great to work with. Basically the cam design will come last he said and he will make the power be exactly where we want it. Every time I ask him something about a change or this or that, he says don't worry we will make it work where we want to when I design the cam. Again, new process for me to build a motor with such planning and project management. I'm lovin that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by compos mentis (Post 411575)
"just buy this and get it over with :D"



http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k1...07sp_ch056.jpg


Right back at 'ya slick!


:lol:

That's WAY too many cubes. :D

fleet 05-02-2012 12:32 PM

Quality lat-g post DG with some good info...plus some advice. :D

Better crank, and less filling....nice. :cool:

Sieg 05-02-2012 12:39 PM

Good stuff Dave!

Sounds like CP pistons?

sik68 05-02-2012 01:07 PM

A helpful engine builder...must be nice! :lol:

Flash68 05-02-2012 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by compos mentis (Post 411601)
Quality lat-g post DG with some good info...plus some advice. :D

Better crank, and less filling....nice. :cool:

Thankya.... Better crank and better delivery time. Maybe we can get this sucker done and on the dyno weeks sooner. :unibrow:

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Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 411602)
Good stuff Dave!

Sounds like CP pistons?

Diamond is first choice, CP is second per Mike.

Flash68 05-02-2012 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sik68 (Post 411609)
A helpful engine builder...must be nice! :lol:

Yikes. Hopefully you find yours bud. In this business, it's rarely the first guy you to go to it seems. :willy:

Vegas69 05-02-2012 01:18 PM

I think it's 65 or 70 lbs. It revs so fast I wouldn't want a lighter crank.

Ron in SoCal 05-02-2012 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 411599)
That's WAY too many cubes. :D


Hey, hey, hey now!!! :D

intocarss 05-02-2012 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sik68 (Post 411609)
A helpful & TRUE engine builder...must be nice! :lol:

I fixed it for ya :yes:

intocarss 05-02-2012 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 411599)

That's WAY too many cubes. :D

CHICKEN!!!

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3/...gine_truck.gif

intocarss 05-02-2012 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vegas69 (Post 411612)
I think it's 65 or 70 lbs. It revs so fast I wouldn't want a lighter crank.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y3/...engine_002.jpg

Flash68 05-02-2012 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vegas69 (Post 411612)
I think it's 65 or 70 lbs. It revs so fast I wouldn't want a lighter crank.

If you say so. :unibrow:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron in SoCal (Post 411613)
Hey, hey, hey now!!! :D

I don't know about you guys with your big cubes... maybe overcompensating for something? :lol: :rofl:

Quote:

Originally Posted by intocarss (Post 411615)

Ok I stand corrected. I want that.

Ron in SoCal 05-02-2012 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 411619)
If you say so. :unibrow:



I don't know about you guys with your big cubes... maybe overcompensating for something? :lol: :rofl:

S.O.P. Sir :lol:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flash68
Ok I stand corrected. I want that.

Yeah me too!

intocarss 05-02-2012 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 411619)

Ok I stand corrected. I want that.

You'll need a BIGGER scoop!!:willy:

Track Junky 05-02-2012 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by intocarss (Post 411624)
You'll need a BIGGER scoop!!:willy:

And a bigger trailer

Flash68 05-02-2012 02:53 PM

And a bigger valve spring tester. :D

Flash68 05-02-2012 02:58 PM

Locked up my carb just now. A nearly fresh Braswell (dyno and 2 races) with 1.40 Venturi and 1.75 Throttle Body. Made 650hp on a 360" sprint car motor.

$600 (go for $1275 new)

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/f...8/photo-15.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/f...8/photo-15.jpg

intocarss 05-02-2012 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 411628)
Locked up my carb just now. A nearly fresh Braswell (dyno and 2 races) with 1.40 Venturi and 1.75 Throttle Body. Made 650hp on a 360" sprint car motor.

$600 (go for $1275 new)

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/f...8/photo-15.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/f...8/photo-15.jpg

I'm liking you more and more there Buttercups! Congrats

Ron in SoCal 05-02-2012 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by intocarss (Post 411630)
I'm liking you more and more there Buttercups! Congrats

Stay on topic there Jerr...:D

Track Junky 05-02-2012 03:52 PM

Looks like he wrote the jet sizes on top of the bowls. Love playin around with 4150 style carbs. Theres a book out by HP Books, author Mike Urich.....Holley carburator handbook 4150-4160 selection, tuning, and repair. goes for $12.95. It will tell you just about everything you need to know.

BTW, great score :thumbsup:

intocarss 05-02-2012 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron in SoCal (Post 411631)
Stay on topic there Jerr...:D

I'm on it!!



Ron in SoCal 05-02-2012 04:32 PM

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


Sieg 05-02-2012 05:15 PM

Wish I was man enough to own a carb like that. :theresa:

Nice score!

Track Junky 05-02-2012 05:28 PM

I LOVE IT,
I NEED IT,
I BLEED IT!!:morepower :rockin: :rockin: :rockin: :fire: :cheering: :_party: :beavis: :beavis: :beavis:

Flash68 05-02-2012 05:33 PM

I just got pumped up!! :D :_party: :_party: :rockin: :rockin: :rockin: :rockin: :fire: :fire: :fire:

intocarss 05-02-2012 05:33 PM

It's official


Flash68 05-02-2012 05:48 PM

I did order a Moroso valve spring tester. Thanks Todd. :lol:

intocarss 05-02-2012 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 411659)
I did order a Moroso valve spring tester. Thanks Todd. :lol:

I'm staying in a Holiday Inn next week :unibrow:

badmatt 05-02-2012 06:07 PM

uhm..

I put my short block back together today? not as high class as a holiday inn express..


Nice carb Dave.

FETorino 05-02-2012 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 411599)

That's WAY too many cubes. :D

Did he just say that :mad:


Quote:

Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 411628)
Locked up my carb just now. A nearly fresh Braswell (dyno and 2 races) with 1.40 Venturi and 1.75 Throttle Body. Made 650hp on a 360" sprint car motor.

$600 (go for $1275 new)

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/f...8/photo-15.jpg



That's a cute carb. A pair of those would look good on my intake. :rofl:


Quote:

Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 411599)




Piston is being designed from scratch and Mike has a grasp on this (I don't claim to). Unlike many engine builders (assemblers) that call up XYZ Piston Co. and say tell me what I need, Mike specs it all himself and calls in the order to his specs. And we are building a motor he has done many times over so I have utmost confidence. Just trying to learn as much as I can in the process. :thumbsup:

:D


Yea it's a whole different ball game building a motor rather than assembling. I'm an assembler. I've put together a lot of motors but when it came time for my project and started buying parts that cost real $$ and were hard to find I found someone who really knew their stuff. I remember when I started my build I though I knew exactly what the motor should be. What I have now is similar to what I planned but will far exceed what I would have built. Your stoked on working with your builder. :thumbsup: I know the feeling :cheers:


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