My guess is that in that guys mind "it all pays the same".
Why care either way when at the end of the week the paycheck is the same?

This is NOT how I think. And I have fired plenty of "those guys" over the years. I really don't get it either.

Gregs 32 is in much better hands now. I am sure it will be dialed in in no time.
Serious bummer you had to deal with all of that stuff, but at least you'll know it's done right now. :cheers:

Agreed. Unfortunately, there seems to be a growing trend in this country with people not taking pride in their work. They want the money, plain and simple. I told a guy at my temporary, part-time, sales gig (who was cutting corners and laughing about it) that people like him are what's wrong with this country. He just shrugged it off and kept doing what he was doing. He really just didn't care. He was going to get paid either way, so why do anything beyond what he absolutely had to, and why not find a way to cheat on that? (That was his mentality, not mine). I used to tell the boss about crap like that I see on the job, but he really doesn't care either, because he never does anything about it. As long as his bonuses aren't affected, it's not his problem... Sad. :(

okay so next time where are you going to take you cars

So far the Rings, Roadster Shop, Steilow, DSE, Ride Tech/Precison Coach Works, RPM Hot Rods, Speed Tech & Kenny Davis actually build cars and then go out and beat the snot out of them. I know there are a few others sorry if i missed you.

ps I am going to keep adding names as i think of them.

It's funny because people are getting the wrong impression of this build... trust me when I tell you - the quality of the overall build is TOP TOP NOTCH.... it's just the little mechanical details where the shop really bites it. I know plenty of guys that can't seal a simple SBC intake... they blame their lack of skills on "SBC's always leak - they leaked from the factory".... etc. This was worse than that because there was not even a semblance of an attempt to do it right. :D

Either way -- it's no big deal to pull the intake off - clean her all up nice - and do a PROPER job. Trust me when I tell you -- SBC's do not always leak... from the top or the bottom! I have a couple of them and there's not one itty bitty tiny leak ANYWHERE. Now that the '32 is sealed up - it doesn't leak either!

I can tell you that the drivability - and the EZ EFI - is certainly a lot happier! It's tough for EFI to deal with uncontrolled intake air! And there is no more blue oil smoke out the exhaust either! I took it out for a nice long drive this afternoon and it's 500% better. I'll pull the driver side exhaust next week and do the same re-fit / bolt grinding exercise with it - just to be happy with the over all job.

With this fix - there are no more funky things left. Now it's a nice little hot rod!

I will say that the "vented tube" they made for the rear end is dang near a work of art... all hard lined - with brackets welded on to keep it still - and a nice little K&N filter on top the 1/2" tube..... it amazes me that they can build such wonderful little details - but can't change a f'n spark plug without messing it up. The work Tim Bruning did on the exhaust should be on display at the Smithsonian...

I also changed oil - I use only the cleanable reusable screen style billet oil filters (from Pure Power)... this allows me to peer into the motor a bit via the crud in the filter if any. I'm happy to report there was ZERO crud. There's only 1000 miles on the motor now - but regardless - I've been on pins and needles since the idiots ran it without oil pressure. SO FAR - SO GOOD. The valve train got a thorough inspection during the intake reseal job - and it's sterling as well. As long as all the plugs were out - I did a cylinder pressure test -- and a leak down test. Both were perfect.


Here's the cylinder pressure.....




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And here's the leakdown - with 100 psi - only air to be heard was past the rings (that's the CORRECT place to hear the air!)....



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As stated by others... more patience than me I think. Glad you got it ironed out.

By chance is there an empty lot near you? Having your "shed" as a neighbor, and you of course :), would be ridiculous. Just from the backgrounds of some of your pictures I can only imagine...

I think sometimes these shops end up using the "new guy" or the guy that lacks the true talent, skill and pride of the true "stars" of the shop (like Tim Bruning), to do these "menial jobs" like install the intake or hook up the headers.... the men in charge figure "hell, the guy cant possibly screw up that job and I can pay him $12/hr while my true "stars" are doing the hard work that takes real skill and talent, and they cost me $25/hr". So they let the "low talent" guys do the stuff they think they wont screw up....and then they screw it up.

But in the end the buck stops with the shop....you are only as strong as your weakest link.....and obviously they have some weak links in that shop..... to have crap like that walk out of a "high end" shop is crazy....wow.....

Have you talked to Tim about this stuff? I'm sure he know which guys are responsible.....

Oh I ran out of patience with the shop right after they ran my motor without oil pressure.... and Frisbee and his foreman are sportin' enlarged orifices where the sun don't shine.

And YES -- I wish you'd make an offer on the house right behind me! That old coot has lived there since the '50's and is a bonafide car hater... I've had to shoo him off a couple of times. Sadly - homes where I live are north of the high side of ridiculous. I live in the Beverly Hills of the northwest... Bellevue - or as I like to call it - BLAHview... and they don't much like hot rods 'round here. They're all noisy and didn't come from a dealership! :lol: I'm waiting for him to croak and then I'll buy the dump and split my shed driveway and put a nice "clean shed" (like Charley has - one to build in and one to polish in!) over there. Unfortunately my wife will never let me waste that much on a 'shed'. Maybe we could make a trade?? :rofl:

That lot would make a really nice spot for SHED 2.0!

Maybe after I get my car on the road I can do a 3 am drive by that guys house.....on open headers. "on my way to the muffler shop" of course. :D

Think that might help him decide to sell?

I dunno, I always considered 15% leakdown high, as in needs to be rebuilt. Just did Charleys Ford Cammer and all were under 3.5%. Hope all is good.

Everyone wants to have a hero engine, but don't believe all the hype you hear about 2 percent leakage engines. No cylinder seals perfectly, especially if the engine is nitroused, supercharged, or turbocharged where the top and second rings are set with wide ring endgaps. Even for normally aspirated engines, respectable leakage numbers would be anywhere from 8 to 12 percent with a variation between cylinders of 4 to 5 percent, but it's possible the variation could be as high as 10 percent.

So if you test an engine and see leakage numbers even in the 15 to 20 percent range, this is not cause for alarm



Read more: http://www.carcraft.com/techarticles...#ixzz1RW3bDAVS

Jody - I'd add to this that since I have aluminum heads - I don't like to pull the plugs with the motors at temp... so this quicky test was done on a cold motor that had been running pig fat.. and no rocking the rings or any other trick to make sure everything is just right. My guess is that if I tested this motor at operating temps - rocked the rings etc - that those numbers would be noticeably lower.

Regardless of that... this was a $3800 (net cost) crate motor... so I wouldn't expect the same results on a max effort build. If it makes it through the summer cruising season - I'll be happy! Seriously! I've already been working out what motor SHOULD be in there. And once that happens - around here (my house) - that's as good as DONE. :rofl:

Greg..... It takes alot to hurt a small block. $3800.00 I agree when its done ,on to the next:D

I was just quoting my personal experience; never had an engine I built with those kind of leakdowns, even when new and un-fired. If you're not worried about it that's all that matters.

Well just for you buddy.... and I do certainly consider you a buddy! I'm going to perform a new test - cold - then I'm going to go drive the snot out of it in an effort to please TODD.... and then I'm going to gall out the spark plug threads and do a hot test... because - ya big lunk - ya got me all worried now!

EEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Which Todd? You'd better put your foot down, because you need to get it to Columbus by tomorrow evening, or Sunday morning, to please this one! I want to see it sparkle and hear it cackle in the wonderful Ohio heat and humidity! :P :D

SORRY TODD -- the "other Todd" -- you know - the one that told me to quit whining and get and drive the wheels off it.

NEXT YEAR for Columbus! Just discussed this AM with Rodger Lee about getting me a room for next year before he leaves there - if possible.

Dude -- At my age -- time flies -- so next year will seem like next month!



EEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAA

I figured that's what you meant - I just couldn't resist the opportunity to post something completely useless. :lol:

We must be about the same age, because that's how time goes for me. Last month, I mean last year, I swore I would drive something through those gates. Thought about that while I was strolling in on my Nikes. :rolleyes:

Looking forward to seeing you bake in the Ohio sunshine! :thumbsup:

Hey guys,
I had a chance to swing by Gregs place a couple hours ago to pick up a few things and I saw the 32 again. Greg also fired it up for me. It gave me goosebumps.
You have to see and hear this car in person. If you ever get a chance don't pass it up. Pictures just don't do it justice. It is one VERY nice car. And it sounds killer too.

Thanks for having me over again Greg. And for the box(es) of goodies too!

Thanks Eric! Always a good time chatting with you. Glad you came by.

Sorry about the boat anchor! No wonder we choose not to use that block! Guys - I'm sure Eric will post up in his thread about the junk block I gave him. Anchors away! :lol:

Okay Jody -- Just for you!


Here's a new leak down test done COLD.....



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AND here's one - same #1 cylinder - done HOT....



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don't 'ya feel a little better now? :D

No -- I burnt my knuckle on the hot header....



NOT!:D


Yes -- it's better. The first test was just a cold quicky to see IF there was a problem I should look after.... and actually - I was satisfied with the 15% because I knew it would improve with a "proper" test.... but like most of my posts - I know others are reading - so it's good to show this stuff so everyone learns a bit. So thanks for busting my chops and keeping it real!

Hey Greg,
No rain, sunny skies and dry roads........
Now that the 32 is buttoned up can we get some action shots?
Maybe have Alex video a giant rolling burnout up the street?:D
I know that motor has the snot it needs to boil those big ol' tires out back.

That guy who lives behind you would enjoy that right?

Have a good weekend buddy!:thumbsup:

Good job on the Camaro Greg. Looking good.

You know, one cylinder really isn't a proper test. :D :lol:

Glad to hear you are getty her dirty. :thumbsup:

Hey! I've got 1200 miles on her already!! Been driving every day.... drive - tweak something - drive some more - fix another "mistake". Now down to just
driving!

:theresa: :theresa: :theresa: :cheers:

Looking forward to some vids when you finally get around to choosing a production company.


:unibrow:

Just an update:


1400 miles ---- and running great and driving great. Amazing to me still that the pro shop couldn't get the little things sorted out - that took me just a couple of hours here and there and all is well. That's not all shops -- it's just that shop. They have a lot of "L.O.F.T" in the mechanical area.

That's great! Are you taking it down to Puyallup with the Nomad?
How is Rudys Camaro coming along?

1400 miles in this S%$t weather??? you must have a good umbrella!!!

Wow Greg!
I know you mentioned you had some issues when I spoke to you awhile ago.
But after reviewing your thread (havent been here for awhile) I didnt realize it was like this. Im glad YOU:hail: have resolved most of and tweeked what needed to be done to acheive the 1400 miles so far:thumbsup:
Do you send them the bill!
As they say, it may look pretty but can it..........

Good to hear Greg. I hope that you can continue to enjoy it. Have fun!:cheers:

If you really see what the issues were - my main reason for being so po'd is that they were such niggly wiggly little amateur hour mistakes and f ups.... NOTHING that wasn't easily fixed with common sense (like the brake lights that were intermittent). One by one I just went through and touched her up. Now all is good. The intake manifold install done by the fine craftsman at S.A.R. was hilarious... I think I could do better work when we did that, at 16 years old, out in the backyard with zero tools, and zero skills.

Greggers -- I gotta admit I don't know what this means. :question:

Lack Of F'n Talent

This is a sweet build but something about those front tires just look a lil wide man a narrow tire would look killer on this thing great build though congrats.

Lol, I had to go back over twenty pages to find a pic of the car to see them! :lol: We need more pics! :D

Narrower tires would look nice, but take away from his driver goal. A couple or few of this year's SROY field has the little (M-T, I think) Pro Street style front runners, and looked really cool with them, but I did wonder about driving with them on the street. My little Saturn daily driver has narrow, low rolling resistance (LRR) tires to boost its MPG numbers, and they aren't too confidence inspiring. I plan to sacrifice 1-2mpg (guessing) for some wider tires and more stability/handling...

I fought this and the choices for the tires and wheels sizes.... and every time we came up with a rear tire size - we'd find they didn't have a front tire in the size we needed -- or vice versa.

I think if you saw the car in person you might see that they actually "work" okay. I too would have liked smaller fronts... and we even had Schott make the front wheels narrower than their normal offerings.

hey Greg, where 'ya been?