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Vince@Meanstreets 10-20-2014 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Stielow (Post 576279)
I was waiting for a point by and he never gave one. So I went. He was full throttle and I passed with ease.

I had already been black flagged once that day for passing in a turn. So I was not wanting to get black flagged again.

The Porsche guy did not look very happy afterward in the pits.

I wish I knew if he was a good driver because my car was all over the GT3 in the sweepers. Judging by the one wiggle he was somewhat trying.

Mark
well, it was a cup car and the owners usualy have large cups with a lot of room. just sayin. :ohsnap:

In before the part number to that 177 t stat and housing. :secret:

Stielow 10-21-2014 04:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 576344)
Compliment or embarass? :D

Sorry couldn't resist the opening. :sieg:
A Gen 5 Camaro Z/28 is a full sorted track weapon. We spent 3 years dialing that car in and it is on awesome 60 treadwear tires. It had moths in the wind tunnel to get the areo balance correct, we tested it on 8 race tracks, we tested 8 different tires on it, It has a state of the art performance traction management system on it and the ABS calibration is matched perfectly to the car.

On my first real track event with Hellfire to be faster than the Z/28 on 300 tread wear tires is doing something. I'm swapping to 200 tread weartires, recalibrating the ABS, and make a small change to the springs for this weekend. I expect the delta between the Z/28 and Hellfire to get greater.

Everyone wants to believe their old muscle car will outrun the late model stuff. If you want to go fast for cheap buy a late model car.

If I put half of the money I have in my car in a C-6 Z06, GT3 or a GTR it would be a whipping fast. Way faster than Hellfire.

On a side note I don't want a Z06 or a GTR, I do kind a want a GT3. LOL.

I do this because to get a '69 Camaro to go this fast is fun and interesting.

I like going to car shows, SEMA and doing the Optima Shoot Outs.

It is just physics. They have better aerodynamic, better CG, better track width and most come with ABS. So take a ZO6 and gut it and you have a 2900 lb track car for about $35K. Or better yet get a C-5 Z06 for about $25K. Or you can by a POS '69 Camaro for about $12K and pour about a $100K+ into and 3 years of your life and be close to as fast as a stock Vette.

I do this because I love to and the engineering challenge is fun.

Mark

Sieg 10-21-2014 05:46 AM
Awesome insight!

I can't thank you enough for what you have added to the overall experience of owning a 1st Gen Camaro. :thumbsup:

kwhizz 10-21-2014 06:03 AM
Mark...........Freak'in Awsum!!!!

GregWeld 10-21-2014 07:28 AM
Well said Mark.


My stupid little Lotus with it's 1.8 liter STOCK Toyota motor... <blown> and it's little itty bitty baby tires catches and passes well driven ZR1's without blinking an eye... Sorted out track cars seem to be hook to a fire hydrant. But it's just not nearly as much fun as the old '65 Mustang. Don't know why - can't explain it - it's just not. Maybe because it's TOO easy.... IDK.


Love your builds and insight. You? Not so much. See ya at SEMA.


Signed,
Pitbitch

jlwdvm 10-21-2014 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 576344)
Compliment or embarass? :D

Sorry couldn't resist the opening. :sieg:
I guess I meant it as a compliment to both cars. On one hand you have a new car with the resources of GM behind it that blows away everything in its class and some that are above its class. Then you have Hellfire that has twice the horsepower, but is a 45 year old car....that will probably blow away everything in its class, and some that are "above" its class (Porsche for example)!

wiedemab 10-21-2014 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Stielow (Post 576381)
I do this because I love to and the engineering challenge is fun.

Mark
I like that reason much better than - --"We are stupid". I do miss how easy my C5 was though

Sieg 10-21-2014 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by jlwdvm (Post 576403)
I guess I meant it as a compliment to both cars. On one hand you have a new car with the resources of GM behind it that blows away everything in its class and some that are above its class. Then you have Hellfire that has twice the horsepower, but is a 45 year old car....that will probably blow away everything in its class, and some that are "above" its class (Porsche for example)!
I was just a sarcastic tease (bad personal trait at times) that said........what engineers like Mark and others have brought to the marketplace for 'everyday' consumers is very impressive......and then there's the potential of the C7 Z06!

No matter the brand, American or Euro, the performance levels of new and old cars right now is amazing!

If I had to do it all over again I'd have pursued an automotive engineering career. The rewards of seeing a car like the new Z/28 come to market has to be a priceless experience.

syborg tt 10-21-2014 08:37 AM
Mark,

I was going to type up pretty much what Scott just wrote but honestly he said it much better then I could have ever said it so please pretend I just wrote what Scott did. I will add this you and your team are truly inspirational.


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Originally Posted by PTAddict (Post 576328)
This is just an amazing car. It makes me wonder, where can it go from here?

I'm in this hobby because of you, Mark. It definitely isn't your nature to promote yourself or your role in this hobby, but the truth is that you had a clear individual vision that started with Tri Tip, and that vision engaged the minds of some other key folk, and together a movement was built. If you want to think of it in corporate terms, you were and are the Chief Engineer and Technology Officer. Jeff Smith is SVP of PR. And the CEO isn't one person, it's the community: the forums like Pro-touring and Lat-g, the many small/medium businesses like DSE, Ridetech, Wilwood, etc, and the individual craftsmen who raise the bar every year. What a force this movement has become.

For me, the Red Witch cover story in Hot Rod in '96 twisted a couple of threads together for me - the thread that never got over my first ride as a nine year old in a muscle car in 1969, and the thread that appreciates modern engineering, performance, convenience. I've followed every build closely since, and much of what I learned is reflected in my latest car.

I think the most interesting thing I take away is your approach: build, learn, refine. The biggest mistakes I've made, and that I see others have made, are to shoot for the moon before achieving orbit. Your approach always seems to be: Let's start with what is proven. Decide what are the priorities for improvement. Take risks only for the highest priority items, and then research those risks as thoroughly as possible. Build and test in the real world. Rinse and repeat. It's a formula we would all do well to follow - at least if real world results are the criteria. If I'm not mistaken, it's the formula that ultimately built this ultimate car.

Best of luck at OUSCI!

Scott

RussMurco 10-21-2014 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 576412)
If I had to do it all over again I'd have pursued an automotive engineering career. The rewards of seeing a car like the new Z/28 come to market has to be a priceless experience.
X2
The early 80's, when I was figuring out what I was doing after high school, certainly didn't inspire me to go into automotive engineering. Too bad I didn't have the insight I should have!

89 RS 10-21-2014 09:52 PM
Great stuff! Thanks for sharing the videos, knowledge, and experiences...can't beat this site!

DEIGuy38 10-22-2014 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Stielow (Post 576381)
So take a ZO6 and gut it and you have a 2900 lb track car for about $35K. Or better yet get a C-5 Z06 for about $25K. Or you can by a POS '69 Camaro for about $12K and pour about a $100K+ into and 3 years of your life and be close to as fast as a stock Vette.Mark
But then your left with a gutted vette that Charlie probably wouldn't want to buy:lmao: Awesome car Mark wish I could be at SEMA this year to see it.

Stielow 10-23-2014 04:54 AM
The Finspeed guys made me some cool center caps.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...pse96ba1f9.jpg

I'm heading back to Gingerman Saturady for the last shake down.

If all goes well the car ships Oct. 29.

Mark

paulk68 10-23-2014 05:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Stielow (Post 576766)
The Finspeed guys made me some cool center caps.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...pse96ba1f9.jpg

I'm heading back to Gingerman Saturady for the last shake down.

If all goes well the car ships Oct. 29.

Mark
The wheel color looks alot lighter in this picture than others I have seen.

Rick D 10-23-2014 06:49 AM
Thats a nice touch for sure!! Good luck this weekend, hope it just keeps getting faster and faster!!

syborg tt 10-23-2014 08:41 AM
The center caps look great.

Quick question what lug nuts are you using ?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stielow (Post 576766)
The Finspeed guys made me some cool center caps.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...pse96ba1f9.jpg

I'm heading back to Gingerman Saturady for the last shake down.

If all goes well the car ships Oct. 29.

Mark

formula88 10-23-2014 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by paulk68 (Post 576767)
The wheel color looks alot lighter in this picture than others I have seen.
Maybe lighter from his camera flash.


http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/...4/DSC_1551.jpg

OLDFLM 10-23-2014 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by formula88 (Post 576815)
Maybe lighter from his camera flash.


http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/...4/DSC_1551.jpg
:thankyou: My new wallpaper at work!

frojoe 10-23-2014 12:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stielow (Post 576766)
The Finspeed guys made me some cool center caps.

http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/q...pse96ba1f9.jpg

I'm heading back to Gingerman Saturady for the last shake down.

If all goes well the car ships Oct. 29.

Mark
Are the lugnuts knurled on the ends specifically to aid in hand-threading before tightening? If so.. holy attention to detail!

RussMurco 10-23-2014 01:44 PM
I think Mark's lug nuts are getting more attention than my entire car ever will!!! :lol:

rickpaw 10-24-2014 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by syborg tt (Post 576797)
The center caps look great.

Quick question what lug nuts are you using ?
+1. Would like some information on the lug nuts as well.

formula88 10-24-2014 01:49 PM
Is it 5 pm yet?

I don't know about the owner of the shiny red car, but I'm looking forward to the drive home.

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/...024_095057.jpg

Sieg 10-24-2014 02:46 PM
This has the potential of one great commute! :thumbsup:

I'd say shiney is over-rated but Hellfire appears to be somewhat of an exception to the rule. :D

syborg tt 10-24-2014 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by formula88 (Post 577048)
Is it 5 pm yet?

I don't know about the owner of the shiny red car, but I'm looking forward to the drive home.

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/...024_095057.jpg

Dam it Choices choices I am so torn !

Rick D 10-24-2014 03:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by formula88 (Post 577048)
Is it 5 pm yet?

I don't know about the owner of the shiny red car, but I'm looking forward to the drive home.

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/...024_095057.jpg
Quote:
Originally Posted by syborg tt (Post 577070)
Dam it Choices choices I am so torn !
Sorry, I've got to go with Gordens 67. Sorry Mark I just love the patina!!

Stielow 10-24-2014 07:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by rickpaw (Post 576958)
+1. Would like some information on the lug nuts as well.
Here you go...

http://www.amazon.com/Muteki-32906B-...47PM7RBYHMH7JM

rickpaw 10-25-2014 05:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Stielow (Post 577110)
Ah, thanks Mark.

jlwdvm 10-25-2014 08:03 AM
Just ordered a set to go with my V40's for that Trans Am look. You don't feel the need for longer studs?

Sieg 10-25-2014 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by jlwdvm (Post 577163)
Just ordered a set to go with my V40's for that Trans Am look. You don't feel the need for longer studs?
They just add unnecessary weight.

formula88 10-26-2014 07:50 AM
GingerMan Raceway
 
Hellfire was back at GingerMan yesterday for more tire and chassis testing.

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/...4/DSC_1557.jpg

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/...4/DSC_1567.jpg

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/...4/DSC_1581.jpg

Stuart Adams 10-26-2014 07:52 AM
Unbelievable pics.

formula88 10-26-2014 08:24 AM
After GingerMan, Hellfire stopped by Dutchboys for a little buff and shine prior to SEMA.

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/...4/DSC_1640.jpg

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/...4/DSC_1668.jpg


The photo below doesn't do the reflection in the quarter panel justice. Their work and attention to detail is amazing. Dutchboys have mad skills!!

http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/...4/DSC_1678.jpg

Sonar Chief 10-26-2014 08:56 AM
Those are great pixs ... drive it like you stole it and then polish her up!!!! :king:

214Chevy 10-26-2014 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by formula88 (Post 577287)
Man, look at those front disc brakes....

glassman 10-26-2014 01:16 PM
That last photo, i kept thinking that the line was from a clear bra or something, but its actually the power lines from across the street, yep, thats pretty buffed.

sleepertime 10-26-2014 02:11 PM
Yeah it will do in a pinch....:sarcasm_smiley:

To be honest it is a work of art...

:king:

Thanks, for the updates...
:flag2:

tubbed69 10-26-2014 02:18 PM
Very cool pics of an awesome car:king:

Stielow 10-28-2014 02:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by formula88 (Post 577287)
Hellfire was back at GingerMan yesterday for more tire and chassis testing.



http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/...4/DSC_1567.jpg
I had a great outing on Saturday. This project has seemed harder than some of the others.

Part of what I was doing with all this track tests was working on what tires to use.

I tried the following tires:

295/35R18 front 335/30R18 rear Rival
285/35R18 front 345/30R19 rear Michelin Super Sport
315/30R18 front 335/30R18 rear Rival

The 315 - 335 Rivals were the best for balance and forward bite. The Rivals are terrible without a heat cycle.

Again this car has exceeded expectations. I know we added a lot of cooling but being able to run a 20 minute session flat out with no issues is awesome.

On Gordon’s second photo you can see me pushing a BMW race car into turn one and the smoke you see is him locking the brakes up. I was pushing on a lot of race cars that day. It is entertaining to me to run down guys on race tires in the turns. I know I can kill most cars in the straights but the guys on 40 tread wear Hoosiers should be faster.

This is the best car I have ever built. Fast, pitchable, predictable and a lot of consistent power. The car is as strong on lap one as lap 10. For people who have built high power cars keeping them cool is a big challenge. The other big take away is if you keep the fluid cool they don’t leak also.

It has been a rough summer finishing this car and I could not have done it without some great help from good friends.

The car ships tomorrow and Sled Alley is helping me finish up the decal install.

If you’re at SEMA stop by and say hi and I’ll show you my latest project.

The Lateral – G community is great and I enjoy interacting with this group. Thanks for all the posts and support over the build. It is a great group to keep me motivvated to push on.

Thanks Mark

GregWeld 10-28-2014 02:17 PM
Mark - I could have done this via email but will just attempt here... Did you get the paddock parking layout for LVMS yet? If not I'll email it. My rig is 65' long -- and they have "rules/spaces" for rigs up to 75' in certain spots... but if we want the big azz awning out then there are some spaces assigned to rigs with large awnings. Assume that where you'd want me - but thought I'd ask in advance.

waynieZ 10-28-2014 02:26 PM
"This is the best car I have ever built." Now that is saying something!
Mark did you ever test the Michelin Super Sport against the Michelin PS2's is so was there much of a difference? I love the picture with the front rotors glowing.


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