Who do you think prompted the thread to promote supporting memberships? Thankyouverymuch. :unibrow:

Killer stuff... love it. For that, your highjack is approved. :thumbsup:

Good question. Sure there will be some more heat, but I have an aftermarket block now that should provide improved cooling and my radiator is a decent one that should handle the load. We are convinced the overheating issue at RTTC was a direct result of the prolonged detonation sustained. I really should have mixed race gas in the tank for protection and I will never do an event without throwing some in there in the future. It's fairly cheap protection but nice to not require it when street driving or even an autoX event I figure.

The oil cooling system seemed to be working and again until the detonation presented itself, thats when water and oil temps shot up. I recall I have read there may be a slight aid in oil cooling from the Accusump? Not sure if that's true or how significant that could be though.

So I hope no changes needed in this department. Thanks for asking.

[QUOTE=Flash68;412226]Good question. Sure there will be some more heat, but I have an aftermarket block now that should provide improved cooling and my radiator is a decent one that should handle the load. We are convinced the overheating issue at RTTC was a direct result of the prolonged detonation sustained. I really should have mixed race gas in the tank for protection and I will never do an event without throwing some in there in the future. It's fairly cheap protection but nice to not require it when street driving or even an autoX event I figure.

[QUOTE] Leaving the A/C off during track events will make a difference too :P

:D Check!

Dave, the Accusump should help a little with oil temps, as you will be benefiting from increased volume which will help dissipate heat a little. I've been toying with the idea of adding one myself, but I'm not really sure I need it since I don't really plan on long sessions on big tracks. Are you adding an oil cooler as well? You know, while you're at it :unibrow:

Matt

I know you were considering a dry sump at one point. Any more thought about that. You can definitely keep the oil temps consistent with a dry sump system. Plus the advantage of crankcase vacuum you can add some hp.

Yeah it makes sense the added 3 quarts would help temps. It was either dry sump or accusump for me, but I wanted this modding session to be easy as possible. Dry sump presented many more changes ($$).

So you don't think you'll do any track days? Ahem, Buttonwillow! I mean, a session is a session and they are long and while my previous motor was not worth a lot of money, my new motor is and yours is big $ so I think it's cheap protection. It's pretty easy to plumb in and only a few hundred bucks for everything.

Oh, oil cooler was already done last year. Decent sized Earl's piece with -10An lines and the Mocal 180* thermostat.

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Dont forget to flush your oil cooler and lines. Hate to see any gremlins from your last escapade wind up in your new motor. ;)

Yeah I was very close to pulling the trigger on a system but a couple things changed my mind. Most of the nice pans I was looking at were too deep for my stock sub. So likely in the future there will be a different chassis under this car (more like a 3 year plan) and a new motor with dry sump. I made sacrifices for power (compression) and oiling (dry sump) on this motor, but I plan on phase 3 in maybe 3 years being a high compression dry sump Nascar type motor, something like Maier's Roush Yates Nationwide motor. But that's later... but I do consider where I think I'll be in 3 years to help make decisions today.

I definitely was liking the added hp of the dry sump as well. I estimated 20-30 hp over a wet sump based on my research.

Is your FE dry sump?

Good call. We'll be sure to do that. :thumbsup:

Yes. :D With the RS chassis the typical road race pan would have my motor up higher in the chassis. The dry sump allows me three things.

1 Better oiling
2 Motor lower and farther back since my pan will be 3.5" deep max
3 Vacuum in the crankcase for more hp

I am trying to decide between Dailey and an integrated pump and AL pan or Aviad and a steel pan with external oil lines. :question:

Agreed and jealous on #1 and #3. :D

On #2, while lower and setback of motor is excellent, I did not like a really shallow pan from my research for road course. They are available from Canton, Aviaid, etc. but I read about and talked to a couple of the dry sump companies and more specifically about location of pickups. 99% of the pans out there have pick ups on one side it seems (passenger) so I'll pick up that research again later but I'll likely get one done with the pickups right where I want them.

Seems to me in your case you could just buy a used pan from a NASCAR team.

They race Sonoma, Watkins Glen, Road America and Montreal.

From what I've been told the low pan isn't an issue when engineered properly. a big piece of the puzzle is properly designed tank that is large enough to eliminate the aeration created when there isn't oil at the pickup.

Remember in a dry sump the oil/air is pulled out of the pan and sent to a remote tank. As long as the tank pickup point provides oil and not an oil/air mix your motor is getting the proper lube it needs.

I'm not saying the pickup location in the pan aren't important. I'm just saying they aren't important from the same perspective as in a wet sump.

At least that is how I understand it. But I'm only an assembler so I'm always open to enlightenment. :lol: :thumbsup:

Yeah the take off Nascar pans are what I was looking at. They are all deep. 6" or deeper. That ain't workin with my clearance. I found some killer pans for great prices but just wasn't ready for it.

Yes the pickup points is an apples to oranges vs wet sump, but when I explained my goals/intentions with the car I was told a typical Nascar pan with pickup locations was not ideal, but they probably would be okay. I would want to be more than "probably okay". :D I was going to just have them add or relocate one of the pickups. Not a huge cost and still way cheaper than buying a brand new custom pan at over $1000.

Those damn assemblers... always meddling in others' bidness. :rofl:

Three things from the assembler bleachers

1 I wouldn't look for the "typical" NASCAR pan. The road race Nascar pans are probably different than the roundy round ones. I know they use different styles of radiators for each type of track I'm sure the pans are specific. :D

2 Even for my FE the pans are typically cheaper than $1k unless you are going for a billet pan. :question:

3 This thread is trending too much towards you build so I imagine DB Cooper and crew will be jumping in soon to get us back off topic. :rofl:

This is the pan that I am using. 7 quart, 5 trap doors, bung for oil temp sender.


http://pitstopusa.com/images/M14593491.jpg

Are you needing back up??

Gaetano you got a part # on that pan if you don't mind.
Shane

Meh, I'll probably take my Ford out to Buttonwillow. We'll see. I would want to add an oil cooler and power steering cooler, as well as an accusump, which I'd want to keep out of the engine bay. I'd also need clear bra, which I never replaced after the accident, and that stuff isn't cheap either.

Question. Now, I come from LS land, so I'm not that familiar with good ol' small blocks, but the 180 degree thermostat seems low to me. What were your oil temps getting to when your old engine was still in good working condition?

Matt

CAN15-260

Just can't let it go can ya. :D

1 - I looked for countless pans. I bet I am second to none in hours spent scouring for good used parts. Seriously, I am a legend in that department. :lol:

2 - The nice used pans I was finding for $250-350 sell for over $1000 new. They are amazing quality. Here is an example of one made by Weiss and it is top notch (verified by their competitor who I called. LOL)

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/f...h68/A43006.jpg

3 - No comment. :willy:

I'm still very surprised you don't run at least Accusump with your motor and your usage.

Don't get me started (again) on bringing that new Mustang to BW.

I'm debating where to mount my Accusump right now. I like where Weld's is mounted but I don't like oil and fuel in the passenger compartment. Still I'm considering it, or possibly right behind the rear firewall.

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I read about LS guys on the Corvette Forum running their oil temps up to near 300 all the time, ideally not sustained, but still most of them don't seem to care too much.

When I am up to temp on the street and track, water is 180-190 and oil is 220-240. Right where it should be ideally and where it is for Gaetano and that's who I mimicked my system after. He has the same Stat and a Setrab cooler.

I at first was worried this system did not perform well enough but after the motor revealed serious detonation that seems to explain the issue. I was not having temp issues until about 3rd lap of the 2 sessions that went bad. Very bad. :willy:

Accusump location is a no brainer. Bottom back side of radiator support area. Thats where mine would go. Most likely fab something to attach Accusump straps/clamps to subframe cross member.

Would go or will go?

That's one location I'm considering, but I have a PS steering cooler there (not a huge deal to relocate) and more importantly is more weight in the area I don't want more weight.

Chris Robinson has his mounted in front of his fuel tank on his 69.

On Bob's 69 drag Camaro. I made a alum bracket and mounted it in front of the radiator up as high as I could go. I did have to mod the hood latch bracket some. I also put an on/off lever inline... off while going up to staging then turn it on just before you pull out to the track

I'm with you, I don't like oil or fuel in the passenger compartment. Please tell Greg to fix those clamps. :D

My understanding is the type of dish design will address this. I plan to talk to Mike about this in more depth this week.

For comparison sake, my carb has bigger "vitals" than a HP950. :unibrow:

I didn't realize drag cars ran Accusumps.

Finally something we agree on. :lol:

What issue with the clamps -- that they're not aligned?

They ain't playin! :cool:

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You guys have to get over the whole "I want to impress my sister" kind of car builds --- mine is a real race car.... clamps schamps... they just have to be functional.... they ain't about being pretty! :rofl:

Actually -- you might laugh - but when you see the little ole Mutt... you'd be shocked at how nicely it's built COMPARED TO the other crap that shows up! I gots me a bonafide show car compared to some of this other junk on the track.

Mine will have the same clamps. No billet clamps or Ring Brothers hinges on this car. :D

Greg's car is actually a big factor of my "blueprint" moving forward and the 30 pics of it I took last weekend will provide good reference for a few things I'm doing. It is without a doubt a superbly executed track car, and as you said, looks better and cleaner than a ton of PT cars I've seen.

Greg, be careful... you might get invited to Optima with that "street" car if you put license plates on it (wipers and windows not necessary) :lol:

That little Muttstang wouldn't stand a chance at Optima. Those red and blue fittings would cost him too many points in the style portion :rofl:

Oh and I doubt he has tire warmers. You need those to be competitive these days.

Matt

Just step up to the dry side. :wow:

That sure is purrty, but I gotta make some concessions and plan ahead here. I already have the accusump so I'm good for now. Buying a house, getting married, and having a motor built all at once is quite a handful right now. :wow:

Candy ass.

Fixed it for ya, get your priorities straight..Congrats on all of the above!!! :thumbsup:

See if I compliment you on that overpriced ****ty thing you bought from Charley again.

Thanks, and I think I agree with you. :D

You'll understand where he's coming from when you add kids to your current situation. :D

Agreed , that is a lot to handle all at once.

May I suggest an organizer...something European perhaps? :_paranoid

and that's why I'm trying to spend every extra dollar on the car now. :lol:

:D

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:lol:


Probably wasn't 'hot' though.

Keep the hammer down brother! :thumbsup: