Was a great weekend!

Adam is a good guy and a pretty darn good driver! Funny - We'd bought the Pacquiao fight in May when we were all at Thunderhill...so had the TV all set up under the awning of the Toter.. and here comes Adam and his buddy... and they ask if they can join us... next thing you know we have like 16 people in a semi circle watching "the fight" (went to a fight, and a show broke out).... He's got a good sense of humor. I like chasing him and he enjoys being pushed a bit.

He'll then come over and ask about his line - because he can tell I'm faster thru a section - and wants to learn from what we've just done. I tell him where I'm hitting a mark or staying wide or turning in etc. Doesn't mean I'm doing it right - but it's just faster or whatever. Most guys have WAY too much ego to come and talk about this stuff. Heard one guy comment - "yeah I need more horsepower". Uh.... well.... maybe you should try driving that little black Miata cause he's way faster than you and is running a stock motor. LOL

Ron S. aka Doc Speed...

As important as suspension tuning is for racers, do you also include in your book(s) the importance of 'cheeseball therapy' after a hard weekend of racing?

Greg's 65
 

Greg I agree that following someone that is close
to you can really help your line
When I first started tracking in my old 65 mustang (Chet's car)
I ran with a supercharged Nsx at Thunderhill... we ran 7 sessions
and I would lead one time then him the next... we both figured
out where we were slow and fast... by the end of the day we
picked up over 6 seconds in lap times, went thru three tanks of gas
and my tires and brakes were gone...

Still remember all the fun we had

Bob

Love that!!

I really don't want to run by myself - it's so boring... I actually think I make way more mistakes - and typically I'm running slower!

I love to see a car half track away (really it's probably 3 or 4 turns) and try to see how quickly (if possible) to close the gap. In order to do that I have to hit all my marks -- be smooth - make no mistakes - and get into the throttle earlier and harder.... that's when I'm having the most fun.

I actually want to be a "student" of the game... learning from the mistakes - trying to remember the better lines... what worked and what didn't... and play like I'm racing. Could I get the guy up the inside because the next line I need to be inside -- or should I take him on the outside to set up the next turn... even if I don't actually make the move.

I've learned to never take a point by until I'M ready.... and I trust that he's going to point me by and then not pinch me off! I have to see body english - that the guy is checking his mirrors and knows I'm there... and that he's capable of running off line to let me by. I don't mind buying parts and paying Ron Sutton - but that $30,000 fix for the wrecked Lotus (Alex was driving) is just wasting money.

Greg you had mentioned that you rerouted your fuel line out of the driveline tunnel...I imagine you did the rear brake line as well? I've ordered new fuel line and plan on some of those rubber one hole clamps to fasten the line. Care to share/show where/how yours is ran?



I guess I could show up at your shed and take pictures but it seems easier to have you do it. :D

I think I ran it thru the cockpit and hooked it up to my coolsuit.....

So you're saying I need a coolsuit?

I thought Greg was so Cool that Ice came to chill with him!

I'm saying just run your fuel line where you can - usually along the inside frame rail.... staying away from things that heat - and things that whirl around and might come apart and cut your fuel or brake lines.

Make sure you plumb in a way to filter it...and if you do that... you need a way to shut the fuel off (tank side) so you can occasionally clean the fuel filter.

The clamps you described sound like Adel clamps... or what I call "cushion" clamps... stainless steel or aluminum with a plastic/rubber lining. Like this....

http://www.amazon.com/Ancor-403752-E...s=adell+clamps

I run a water line thru my cool shirt to make ice -- then I transfer it to the beer cooler. :snapout:

LOL. Somehow I missed this when it was posted.

Sorry ... no cheeseball therapy tips.

Basher --- I know you have skills and pride in your work.... so at the risk of insulting many of the home builders here (my friends).... I will urge you to learn how to use a tubing bender... Not bend some wire and then try to copy that to your tubing. A good tubing bender has marks on it - learn to use them... It's also marked with a known radius... learn how to use that radius info. Bending tubing and having it look professional grade - is about measuring and marking and bending accordingly. It's SFE if you take the time to learn a few very simple rules BEFORE you start.

I just wanted to see the bottom of your car......:D

Good deal on the shut off valve, I hadn't thought of that. I agree on the bending being FFE (fairly) I've ran a lot of copper and SS tube for pneumatic and building controls. I'll see if I can still measure, make a drawing and nail it the first time.

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Shoot boss, I can tell you from here that it appears your pinion seal is leaking....I think I actually showed up the next day and stole all those parts from you, good times.
:thumbsup:

It was good times.


If I get down to the shop today I'll lift the old pig up and post some pics of the fuel line routing.

Ya gotta love burning 110 octane race gas.......







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Burns clean! Smells good too.....So about the fuel line, it looks like it's run up the passenger side. I'd be interested to see the entry into the engine bay and the material/fasteners used.
Thanks buddy

:thumbsup:


p.s. You finish that house yet?

It does run up the passenger side -- along the inside frame rail --- then goes in to the engine bay near the front suspension. It's all Stainless Steel flex braid.... Frankly - it's not done the way I'd do it. I'd use SS tubing... and it'd be run neater. It's "okay" but just not skookum.


House is coming along.... A good deal of the EXTERIOR is in place just prior to the onset of winter (it was 24* here this morning). More landscaping detail will be done in the spring - but the lawn and major trees etc have been done.
Interior has a LONG ways to go yet. Tile setter will be there for 10 weeks... and completion is expected to be April some time.








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Dan ---


You can see the BIG black line just at the bottom of the frame in this pic - where it turns in to the engine bay behind the coil over.....

It's SS braided line - covered in a rubber sheath.... and held periodically with Adel clamps....


Thus you can see why I don't feel it's particularly "skookum".




And yes -- I know the nut on the steering link is loose -- I disassembled both sides and cleaned and lubed up the Heim joints... and I took this picture for you. Today was "track car service day".... Nut and bolt check - clean - bleed brakes - new tires - check pads - repack wheel bearings.... a complete eyeball on every single piece of running gear. When I loosen things - and retighten - I mark across the nut to the piece so a quick glance would tell you if something has backed off.








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I get what you're saying about "skookum". I thought about running flexible line, nobody will ever see it and it's so easy....couldn't do it. My 3/8" aluminum showed up today so once the tranny crossmember gets sorted out I'll start on the line.

Thinking that I'll protect it behind the sfc and run it up past the front suspension like yours to keep it away from heat until it enters the engine bay. Thanks for the pic. :thumbsup:



Man that house looks good! I know it's big but it doesn't look huge and out of place. April huh? I thought we'd be eating Christmas ham this year sitting
around the fireplace next to the "holiday" tree. Haha! It'll be done before you know it, looks great!

It's not that big of a house - 3 bedrooms is all..... :peepwall:



You can barely see it above the tree line from across the valley! Just there -- to the right (looking at this pic) of the White Clouds golf course (the green stuff there in the hills).... The living room floor is at 6372 feet elevation. All that property behind and left and right is BLM..... so we're all alone for now!







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Charlie got a place to stay until April?
:sieg:

Yeah --- at his place in Scottsdale.

In a race car that might get crashed I think I would prefer a good hose for fuel delivery. I would think it would hold up better than a hard line in a crash...

I thought the exact same thing -- which is why it's still the way it is. I think I'd be okay with running SS tubing as long as it was inside the frame rails for protection -- and then I'd make sure it was braided flex (I prefer PTFE) from there where it was going to be anywhere it could get damaged from a crash.... so maybe as soon as it left the protection of the frame rail and headed for the engine bay..... Only thing I wouldn't do is to run it near the suspension which is likely to suffer damage in a crash or tire blowout etc.

You both bring up good points. I had thought about switching over to the PTFE as it exited the protection and ran under the upper control arm on the drivers side....I'll take another look at it. I may be able to protect it in that location or maybe just insulate/protect it from the heat of the header and run it that way.

:cheers:

Hey Greg can you post a picture of the rear shock mounting upper and lower on your Mustang.

Thanks

No -- sorry -- the car is at BMR Racing in California... and I've never taken good pics of the rear suspension.

It's Maier track bar
Leaf Springs
Custom shock mounting for clearances - but basically IIRC - they're on stud perches off the leaf spring birdcage/mount


This pic isn't going to help you a bit --- and the whole thing is custom due to all the crap back there etc.




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Do you think they would allow me to sneak a peek at your shock mounts? I will be in Sac for Rugby on Saturday.

The upper shock is eyelet also? How does that mount to the factory floor?


Heres what I have and it won't allow the shock to swivel enough to locate the upper shock into the floor mount.



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Heres how far off it is.

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I'm thinking if I went back to a stock type spring plate and using something like this could work.


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Mike Maier Inc has some great reinforced spring plates/ lower shock mounts that would probably work well for you. You'd still need to use the brackets you posted.

:thumbsup:

I don't know why they wouldn't let you -- I'm certainly okay with it.

"NELLIE" is the guy that does the majority of the work on it. It's at Bill McAnally Racing in ROSEVILLE... ---- 900 Riverside Ave, Roseville, CA 95678 ---- they have a Napa Auto Parts out front and the race shop is on the backside of that. I would call in advance just to make sure - and or, that they can put it on a lift etc.

Got a call yesterday --- she's all ready to go.... fresh motor - fresh tranny - fresh rear end.

Now if I can get Lillard to go over and pick it up I'll be in good shape.

Pick it up? Heck Charlie should write a check & buy it back. He'd love driving it now. I think anyway.

:cheers:

P.S. Do you need any help with transportation?



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I will. Just not for what he wants for it.

Good build! I'm such a sucker for fastbacks... :thumbsup:

I will post a pic of the check but I promise I'll black out the account number.



LOL



..... As usual he got the better of me.

So how did you do at Sonoma? I saw some video but no info.

Well --- it was a little drama with Gwen behind the wheel of the pickup and towing for her first time. She did great. I only got one black eye.


I drove two or three sessions on Saturday and had an absolute blast! Sunday -- Saturday's activity was a bit over the top and the cancer kicked my butt Sunday morning -- so I just rode with MattA and Rob Dickey.... and we had a great time. Charley took over duties of driving the old worn out POS on Sunday. Bob Braga and Sieg then took the trailer and Mustang up to Charley's for us on their way home.

Very many - too many - poignant moments.... and that was a bit emotionally draining. But damn we had fun!