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If you disagree with anything the govt does, you are too crazy to own a gun and put on a no buy list.

I'm sure that is what they are getting at.

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Originally Posted by Tony_SS (Post 458438)

If you disagree with anything the govt does, you are too crazy to own a gun and put on a no buy list.

I'm sure that is what they are getting at.

I agree with a lot of the military's weapons systems and tactics - does that count? :D

In Congress -- this will divide into a Republican vs Democrat partisan issue...

I'm all for a lot of the stuff the executive order lays out -- but most of it is just "busy work"... because all the checks in the world don't keep someone from doing something bad - let alone all the stolen stuff people have. And we all know MONEY will buy anything anytime regardless of the crime.

Most of this is nothing more than the tree huggers foisting their socialist version of the world on those that don't agree with them. We should all live in a commune - raise each others babies and just love everybody all the time. :woot:

Interesting that the news is just releasing the first details of two shootings that took place yesterday vs. before Obama took stage and did his little acting skit with the children.

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Originally Posted by nicks67ca (Post 458436)

Here is a list of the Executive orders.

1. "Issue a presidential memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system."

2. "Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system."

3. "Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system."

4. "Direct the attorney general to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks."

5. "Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun."

6. "Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers."

7. "Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign."

8. "Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission)."

9. "Issue a presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations."

10. "Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement."

11. "Nominate an ATF director."

12. "Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations."

13. "Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime."

14. "Issue a presidential memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence."

15. "Direct the attorney general to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies."

16. "Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes."

17. "Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities."

18. "Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers."

19. "Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education."

20. "Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover."

21. "Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges."

22. "Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations."

23. "Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health."

Why does any of this need to be an iron fisted executive order?

If obama wants all gun owners to have background checks does that mean ftf private sales will be illegal? I would assume they must be done through a licensed dealer for a fee under his new plan?

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Originally Posted by Ketzer (Post 458466)

Why does any of this need to be an iron fisted executive order?

Because the sheep flock to it? Reality is it lack's substance in most cases.

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Originally Posted by transam (Post 458468)

If obama wants all gun owners to have background checks does that mean ftf private sales will be illegal? I would assume they must be done through a licensed dealer for a fee under his new plan?

Yes that's what it means. It would also add the buyer to a list of registered gun owners.

While I am not against anyone buying a gun from another (dealer or private sale) I am against being put on a list. Shouldn't it be a list of criminals and mentally ill people who are not allowed to own guns?

These laws are using extreme cases and rare cases to enforce rules that do not apple to 90% of the gun murders out there. To have those 4 kids on stage,staged of course to make sure was pc was such a shame to see. I am not even a hardcore gun rights advocate,but i dont like what i am seeing,and i live in Canada. Im sure next time a thief breaks into a house to steal a gun he will have to ask the owner to run a record check first.

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Originally Posted by Ketzer (Post 458466)

Why does any of this need to be an iron fisted executive order?

EXACTLY why wasn't this already being done ? well because of the lobbiest were scaring people into thinking he could actually take GUNS so nothing was done

ALL GUNS SALES SHOULD CONTAIN A BACKGROUND CK PERIOD even if you have to go to your local gun shop for back ground ck with private sales

no law will ever stop all bad people from gun sales but that doesn't mean we do nothing.

lets see if congress can pull just that off ???