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Sieg 08-10-2013 03:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DFRESH (Post 498019)
I'm pretty sure we need a photo of that in this thread for a visual.

DF

http://www.ssr-wheels.com/gallery/im...4953edited.png

Couldn't find a herrafrush Torino :bang:

Sieg 08-10-2013 03:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DFRESH (Post 498019)
I'm pretty sure we need a photo of that in this thread for a visual.

DF

http://cdn.stanceworks.com/wp-conten...-lozzz-213.jpg

Couldn't find a herrafrush Torino :bang:

FETorino 08-10-2013 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 498028)
http://www.ssr-wheels.com/gallery/im...4953edited.png

Couldn't find a herrafrush Torino :bang:

:topic:

Quote:

Originally Posted by 67goatman455 (Post 497940)
you guys aren't saying it right.

It's Herrafrush

you have to talk Asian

:bitchslap: :twak: : bad taste :guns:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron Sutton (Post 497899)
How did that pump look internally?

.

Well good and bad? :lol:

These pumps are elegant in their simplicity.

This is the optional side pickup manifold is what I think they call it. It has two long studs and one small allen bolt that attaches it to the pump housing and two small o-rings around the fuel passages.

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...psd7a62afd.jpg

The housing is machined out of AL and hard anodized. The drive shaft and the secondary shaft ride in 4 small roller bearings. One on each half of the housing.

The good is my housing looks great. Clean with no pitting or corrosion to be found. The pump gears are shimmed on the shaft, I presume to obtain spot on operating height within the two steel plates that surround them within the housing. There the gears in the shim stack have a small amount of vertical play on the shafts but don't rock or move horizontally on the shafts. So I assume they are within operating tolerances and normal.

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...ps5eab8f26.jpghttp://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...psf3e73ce4.jpg

Now some bad

The main shaft has some bluing where it rides in the bearing. The bearing also has a roller or two with a faint coloring to them. So it appears I have one of four bearing bad in the housing.

Scratching the shaft with my fingernail (yes JerDog my manicurist would be horrified:hairpullout: ) I don't feel any scoring and no pitting is evident. I checked the shaft with a mic and there isn't any difference in Dia so I'm pretty sure just a bearing swap and I'm in business.


I think:headscratch:

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...ps56b82d57.jpghttp://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...psc468d8d7.jpg


:cheers:

Flash68 08-10-2013 10:16 PM

Dude that pump is neat-o. Definitely pro tracking.. I mean Pro Touring. :sieg:

Would be very cool if you decided to run it.

MX145 08-11-2013 08:46 AM

Wow! That is a niece piece!

Ron Sutton 08-11-2013 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FETorino (Post 498156)
Well good and bad? :lol:

These pumps are elegant in their simplicity.
Yes, part of what makes them so durable.

This is the optional side pickup manifold is what I think they call it. It has two long studs and one small allen bolt that attaches it to the pump housing and two small o-rings around the fuel passages.

The housing is machined out of AL and hard anodized. The drive shaft and the secondary shaft ride in 4 small roller bearings. One on each half of the housing.

The good is my housing looks great. Clean with no pitting or corrosion to be found.
That's the key. Everything else is replacable.

The pump gears are shimmed on the shaft, I presume to obtain spot on operating height within the two steel plates that surround them within the housing. There the gears in the shim stack have a small amount of vertical play on the shafts but don't rock or move horizontally on the shafts. So I assume they are within operating tolerances and normal.

Now some bad

The main shaft has some bluing where it rides in the bearing. The bearing also has a roller or two with a faint coloring to them. So it appears I have one of four bearing bad in the housing.

Scratching the shaft with my fingernail (yes JerDog my manicurist would be horrified:hairpullout: ) I don't feel any scoring and no pitting is evident. I checked the shaft with a mic and there isn't any difference in Dia so I'm pretty sure just a bearing swap and I'm in business.


I think:headscratch:


:cheers:


Yes. New bearings & lube. Micro polish those shafts & put it back together.

I PM'd you about the bearings, but now that I see the photos, our Waterman pumps are different. So ignore that message.

FETorino 08-15-2013 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron Sutton (Post 498239)

Yes. New bearings & lube. Micro polish those shafts & put it back together.

I PM'd you about the bearings, but now that I see the photos, our Waterman pumps are different. So ignore that message.

So I gave Waterman call. I can send the pump to them and they will rebuild and flow it for $110 + parts which a set of 4 bearings runs $54.

$40 for the pump + $110 + $54 = $204 for a fresh fuel pump ready to run. WTH I'm in, I bought a cable.

I just need the adapter plate for the back of the PS pump and I'm set. actually I need to start shopping for a PS pump.


http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...ps4a862f00.jpg

Ron Sutton 08-15-2013 07:48 PM

Cool. Good move. Did you talk to Allan ?

FETorino 08-15-2013 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron Sutton (Post 499397)
Cool. Good move. Did you talk to Allan ?

Yes sir I did.:D

Rick D 08-15-2013 08:11 PM

Man this thread is getting way to high tech for me! Rob I thought you were just building a Ford?? :mock:

Flash68 08-17-2013 10:14 PM

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/f...ps31b07737.jpg

intocarss 08-17-2013 10:45 PM

^^^ WHERE'S IT GOING???^^^^

:lostmarbles:

Ron Sutton 08-18-2013 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FETorino (Post 499407)
Yes sir I did.:D


Alan at Waterman is a good guy. Besides being super knowledgeable, he really cares.

We had a USAC Midget we took on trade ... just planned to resell it ... and ended up racing it. It had a fuel pump cable failure during Friday's practice at Stockton 99 Speedway. This car ran the "small/long" cable ... so our spare "big/medium length" cable wouldn't fit.

I called Alan late Friday. He made us a custom cable in 30 minutes & Alan got one of the Waterman employes to drive the cable from the Santa Rosa area to us Saturday morning.

Saved the weekend. :)


Greg from Aus 08-18-2013 04:05 PM

That looks like a sweet bit of gear, very race. So how does it drive from a power steering pump?

FETorino 08-18-2013 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg from Aus (Post 499861)
That looks like a sweet bit of gear, very race. So how does it drive from a power steering pump?

As long as your PS pump has the three hole pattern and a hex drive on the back of the shaft you just use an adapter plate.

I was going to run a KSE tandem pump which is a PS/Fuel combo with a phelonic heat barrier in between the two halve.

Researching that option I saw a lot of guys substituting the Waterman pump on the tandem set up. :headscratch:

Then I saw the divorced style cable pumps and got hooked on the idea. :D

Add to that the Waterman cable pumps were used by the top finishing NASCAR teams the last few years and I'm hopelessly hooked on the idea.:yes:

:cheers:

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...ps07ae9094.jpg

intocarss 08-18-2013 05:21 PM

yup yup.... you're gona need all that light weight stuff!!

67zo6Camaro 08-18-2013 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DFRESH (Post 498019)
I'm pretty sure we need a photo of that in this thread for a visual.

DF

Warning!..... Off Topic because not much else is going on around here. (Dave told me to do it... said something about you pooping in his thread) lol

I been told that Matt and Rob both have a thing for the "HellaFlush" movement. Apparently they text back and forth pictures of cars with "HellaFlush" and discuss which ones they would choose.

Some more examples found at a car show in San Diego near Matt.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/...ps07a48d9e.jpg

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/...ps2b5cb1db.jpg

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/...ps70eca01c.jpg

67zo6Camaro 08-18-2013 09:31 PM

Also I have a new found appreciation for Rob.... as he likes to secretly work on Camaros.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/...ps2cca2c51.jpg

Matt@BOS 08-18-2013 09:45 PM

I can't believe I went auto crossing today. Hella flush + Green Flash brewery = perfection. I completely forgot about the show so I decided to spend my day picking up cones for miata drivers.

Flash68 08-18-2013 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 67zo6Camaro (Post 499938)
Also I have a new found appreciation for Rob.... as he likes to secretly work on Camaros.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/...ps2cca2c51.jpg

That's gonna make you at least 1.5 sec slower... whatever he's doing.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt.A (Post 499942)
I can't believe I went auto crossing today. Hella flush + Green Flash brewery = perfection. I completely forgot about the show so I decided to spend my day picking up cones for miata drivers.

At least you got some good beer.

Rob, you shoulda just got one of these:

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/f...ps1a2aff3d.jpg

Matt@BOS 08-18-2013 10:06 PM

Dave, I didn't end up having any time to drop by. Instead Rob and I had to live vicariously through Brett.

Flash68 08-18-2013 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt.A (Post 499948)
Dave, I didn't end up having any time to drop by. Instead Rob and I had to live vicariously through Brett.

Oh the horror. :eek:

I think Rob has been living vicariously through others since his registration on Lateral G back in 2007. :hitaxeonthehead:

Matt@BOS 08-18-2013 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 499949)
Oh the horror. :eek:

I think Rob has been living vicariously through others since his registration on Lateral G back in 2007. :hitaxeonthehead:

And it probably culminated with him working on the Fab 53 Camaro. :lol:

fleet 08-19-2013 05:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 499949)
Oh the horror. :eek:

I think Rob has been living vicariously through others since his registration on Lateral G back in 2007. :hitaxeonthehead:

Like the rest of us, Rob sees GW living vicariously through Charlie L. and just thought it was the right thing to do. ;)


And now we can do the same with David Pozzi and that lil Lola. :cool:³

jarhead 08-19-2013 10:32 AM

I think I had seen this version in the "Eastwood" catalog. It is made for rolling fender lips while driving :thumbsup:


Quote:

Originally Posted by 67zo6Camaro (Post 499934)
Warning!..... Off Topic because not much else is going on around here. (Dave told me to do it... said something about you pooping in his thread) lol

I been told that Matt and Rob both have a thing for the "HellaFlush" movement. Apparently they text back and forth pictures of cars with "HellaFlush" and discuss which ones they would choose.

Some more examples found at a car show in San Diego near Matt.


http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/...ps70eca01c.jpg


preston 08-19-2013 12:27 PM

I didn't meticulously read thorugh the last few pages so ignore me if I'm off base, but if you are planning on running a P/S pump as part of the dry sump pump system, I think you will be disappointed in the P/S action at low engine speeds. The normal P/S pump is spinning faster or at least equal to the front crank speed. Running if off the back of a dry sump pump you are running it quite a bit slower than engine speed, it may result in a lack of assist at low speeds where you need it most.

So I might have mis-understood what you're intending to do, but something to think about.

FETorino 08-19-2013 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by preston (Post 500061)
I didn't meticulously read thorugh the last few pages so ignore me if I'm off base, but if you are planning on running a P/S pump as part of the dry sump pump system, I think you will be disappointed in the P/S action at low engine speeds. The normal P/S pump is spinning faster or at least equal to the front crank speed. Running if off the back of a dry sump pump you are running it quite a bit slower than engine speed, it may result in a lack of assist at low speeds where you need it most.

So I might have mis-understood what you're intending to do, but something to think about.

Quote:

Originally Posted by FETorino (Post 497528)


My original plan was to run a KSE Tandem. I like the clean simple packaging and the simple bulletproof nature of a gearator pump. We use them for oil pumps for 100s of thousands of miles so why not fuel.


http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...pse06c190b.jpg
:

Preston

I forgive you for not reading more diligently.:snapout: Maybe the picture of the Tandem it isn't obvious that the PS pump I intend to use is a pulley driven style so I can tailor the pump speed as needed.

The Waterman pump is rated to 17000 rpm so I don't need to worry about over revving it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 67zo6Camaro (Post 499938)
Also I have a new found appreciation for Rob.... as he likes to secretly work on Camaros.

You just can't trust a secret with anyone these days.:bang:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 499947)
That's gonna make you at least 1.5 sec slower... whatever he's doing.

Thanks Dave:bitchslap: You better put additional security on that car while it is away from home. Otherwise you never know who may be wrenching on it.:whistling:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 499947)

At least you got some good beer.

Rob, you shoulda just got one of these:

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/f...ps1a2aff3d.jpg

I'm liking the falcon. Brett only keeps cheap beer @ the house or he wisely hides the good stuff. Not sure which is true but after him rolling me under the bus with that picture I'm starting to lean one direction.;)
:cheers:

Matt@BOS 08-19-2013 07:45 PM

Come on man, you need to to a better job of keeping up appearances around here. First all the Chevy love, and next I bet you'll be posting up pictures of wide tires on skinny wheels.

the correct response (from a Ford person, which you claim to be) to the picture of you working on the Camaro is that Ford gear heads have to work on Chevy's because they don't ever have anything to fix on their Fords.

FETorino 08-19-2013 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt.A (Post 500166)
Come on man, you need to to a better job of keeping up appearances around here. First all the Chevy love, and next I bet you'll be posting up pictures of wide tires on skinny wheels.

the correct response (from a Ford person, which you claim to be) to the picture of you working on the Camaro is that Ford gear heads have to work on Chevy's because they don't ever have anything to fix on their Fords.

Matt

Are you coming out of the closet and admitting you true Mustang love?

Here are a couple of pictures you should like.:D

:cheers:

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...ps81e4b8b7.jpghttp://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...ps84a6082e.jpghttp://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...ps07801f2b.jpghttp://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...psd352d8e1.jpg

Flash68 08-19-2013 10:26 PM

Dude. The wrecked Camaro pics are below the belt. :twak:

Matt@BOS 08-19-2013 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FETorino (Post 500195)
Matt

Are you coming out of the closet and admitting you true Mustang love?

That would be like you admitting you love Chevys. Think about it...

Ron Sutton 09-03-2013 12:57 PM

Rob,

Did you get your pump back yet?

Flash68 09-05-2013 10:22 AM

Knowing that Rob likes and owns Fords and Corvettes, I have found the perfect vehicle for him. I believe is in negotiations at this very moment to be the proud new owner of....

http://bringatrailer.com/2013/09/03/...vette-special/

214Chevy 09-05-2013 04:37 PM

Wow!! "Forvette...." I wouldn't have believed it if I didn't see it myself. Hahahahahaha!! Now that is just too dang on funny.....Forvette. That name......Forvette. Hahahahahaha!!

fleet 09-05-2013 04:52 PM

Both Flash and Rob have excellent taste in cars.


:tiptoe:

Sieg 09-13-2013 07:49 PM

:hello: Torino updates?

INTMD8 09-18-2013 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 504707)
:hello: Torino updates?

Should be done by now :stirthepot:

FETorino 09-18-2013 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by INTMD8 (Post 505609)
Should be done by now :stirthepot:

Not even close. :lol:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 504707)
:hello: Torino updates?

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...psc17bb9a5.jpg

:cheers:

Flash68 09-23-2013 12:07 PM

Quit holding out dude....

Sieg 09-23-2013 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 506531)
Quit holding out dude....

Yea, show us the new nuts.


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