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Originally Posted by transam (Post 458480)

These laws are using extreme cases and rare cases to enforce rules that do not apple to 90% of the gun murders out there. To have those 4 kids on stage,staged of course to make sure was pc was such a shame to see. I am not even a hardcore gun rights advocate,but i dont like what i am seeing,and i live in Canada. Im sure next time a thief breaks into a house to steal a gun he will have to ask the owner to run a record check first.

:lol:

Yeah...kind of funny how the gun grabbers are using children to fuel the fire, yet when the Presidents kids are used as an example it's suddenly 'going to far'.

:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by transam (Post 458468)

If obama wants all gun owners to have background checks does that mean ftf private sales will be illegal? I would assume they must be done through a licensed dealer for a fee under his new plan?

Most likly adopt CA method of transfers/sales through FFL gun dealers.

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Originally Posted by Z10ROD (Post 458483)

EXACTLY why wasn't this already being done ? well because of the lobbiest were scaring people into thinking he could actually take GUNS so nothing was done

ALL GUNS SALES SHOULD CONTAIN A BACKGROUND CK PERIOD even if you have to go to your local gun shop for back ground ck with private sales

no law will ever stop all bad people from gun sales but that doesn't mean we do nothing.

lets see if congress can pull just that off ???

Funny how that works. The first Biden ban expired in 2006, since then the government has cut budgets to cities which in turn decreased the police forces, that lead to an increase in crime. Cut budgets to the medical field. Now they are talking about a half billion be put to a problem the may have contributed to in the first place?

Oakland CA has a crime problem. Their police force was cut almost in half. The Mayor gets rid of a decent Police chief and now they are looking at hiring a consultant to help deal with the problem they have with crime. Price tag for that is $245K.

I just don't get it.

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Originally Posted by transam (Post 458468)

If obama wants all gun owners to have background checks does that mean ftf private sales will be illegal? I would assume they must be done through a licensed dealer for a fee under his new plan?

No, that is solely determined by your state. He can order some agency to enforce something, and Congress could pass some law, but the states have the authority to legislate, not Congress in this matter.

Many states have already pass their own laws making it illegal for any federal intrusion, and many states have similar bills in the works.

So once again a president is trying use the executive to ignore the Constitution and asking Congress do the same.

Today was a typical response that the govt must 'do something'. That something will result another bureaucratic growth of another perpetual waste program.

If find it interesting how the media and politicians virtually ignore that fact that all the kid killers are on legal pharmaceuticals. That is the problem, and it will get worse because it isn't ignored, but 'encouraged' as 'mental health' treatment will be funded through the roof.

Pretty much the opposite of what needed to be done is happening.

Violent crime has dropped 49% and gun ownership has skyrocketed over the past 20 years. FBI statistics. Guns aren't the problem. Am I preaching to the choir here? :lol:

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Originally Posted by nicks67ca (Post 458436)

Here is a list of the Executive orders.

1. "Issue a presidential memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system."

Great! This will require years to undertake and billions in additional costs to rehab the oldest bunch of out dated computers in the world. I think some agencies are using punch card and IBM AS400s

2. "Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system."

Another 900 pages of rules and regulations nobody can comprehend.

3. "Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system."

Read number 1

4. "Direct the attorney general to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks."

OMG yes --- NOW we should be doing this!

But first you'd actually have to know who those people are...

5. "Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun."

Really.... This takes an executive order of the POTUS? I thought maybe that was just common sense

6. "Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers."

1900 pages.....

7. "Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign."

In other words --- join the NRA??

8. "Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission)."

Yep - because those damn pesky criminals walking around with 'em stuck in their belts are just not locking up their guns correctly! And we need to make them safer!

9. "Issue a presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations."

You mean they don't do this already?? OMG....

10. "Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement."

Yes -- but if they're lost or stolen -- how are we going to get information on them?? I mean - if we knew where they were they wouldn't be lost would they?

11. "Nominate an ATF director."

He's been in office 4 f'n' years and hasn't done this yet -- now I'm really feeling unsafe because we don't have an ATF director!!

12. "Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations."

OMG -- is this man that stupid? First responders won't go in with an active shooter - they're UNARMED -- School officials are also UNARMED - so in other words the only people that are going to respond will be the POLICE who are armed and are the best trained people in the world.

13. "Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime."

WELL -- BRILLIANT.... like nobody was doing this already.

14. "Issue a presidential memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence."

Or ask any man walking down the street because this ain't rocket science!

15. "Direct the attorney general to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies."

Gun safety? Guns aren't safe -- people do the killing.... Maybe we should ask NASA to develop a Mental Illness personal safety device

16. "Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes."

Yeah because crooks and insane people are so f'n' honest!!!

17. "Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities."

Like they didn't know this already....

18. "Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers."

IT TOOK 18 presidential edicts to get to something that MIGHT help a little.

19. "Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education."

Or -- just call 911

20. "Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover."

But first -- wouldn't this only be helpful to people already seeking help? Not many of these types of goofballs shooters that I've read about were being treated or under professional care.

21. "Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges."

Another 800 pages of gibberish -- but man does that sound like keeping everyone safe to me!!

22. "Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations."

Yes -- because the mentally ill love regulations and abide by them all the time!! I'm feeling safer by the minute!

23. "Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health."

Lip service.... the government is broke - the do gooders don't want the mental institutions these people used to be kept in - we set them free and they're on "skid road" in every town in America.... but somehow these people aren't the ones killing kids in schools or malls or colleges.... They may be pesky nuisances but they're dying from cold weather - bad dumpster dives and booze - not from semi automatics. They need help but have nothing to do with gun violence

Here's some common sense points from someone DC'ers probably classify as a mental case.

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NUGENT: Open letter to Joe Biden on guns

‘Gun control’ won’t save lives

Joe,

Congratulations on your appointment to lead a presidential commission to end gun-related violence.

As a National Rifle Association board member, husband, father, grandfather, law enforcement officer and genuinely concerned American, I too want nothing more than to see evil, senseless massacres stopped. I concur with the president and caring people everywhere: It’s time to end these slaughters.

As you gather your team to study massacres and how to stop them, I offer to you my services and a lifetime of expertise on guns in all their implementations. While I strongly differ with President Obama on many issues, I agree with him that we must work with all we can possibly muster to end these tragedies.

As you begin to formulate your thoughts on how to proceed with your task, I hope your starting point is to provide the president with the facts regarding these slaughters and to offer him common-sense recommendations that are void of a political agenda and will actually make a meaningful difference. If the American people smell a political agenda here, that will only bog down our efforts.

In the spirit of goodwill and a deep desire to end gut-wrenching, incredibly sad and senseless rampages, I offer you the following recommendations:

I encourage you to persuade the president to lead this effort by providing a number of public service announcements. The announcements should include watching out for each other, encouraging parents to be more involved in their children’s lives regarding entertainment choices, and knowing various indicators we should watch for in people who are unstable.

Clearly, the focus on solving these mass murders must be on the mentally ill. In almost every instance of mass killing, there were ample red flags and warning alarms that either were avoided or were not acted upon by mental health professionals, family members, friends and acquaintances. While I deeply respect an individual’s privacy and civil liberties, the American people need basic awareness of what indicators to look for regarding potentially violent, psychotic people. Our collective safety begins with being collectively vigilant.

You will find in your assessment that all of the massacres have occurred in gun-free zones. What gun-free zones create is an environment where good people are unarmed and virtually defenseless against an unstable person intent on committing mass murder. Gun-free zones are modern killing fields. I implore you to recommend that Congress pass a law to ban gun-free zones immediately.

Just like your full-time, armed security detail, qualified citizens with authorized, legal concealed-carry permits should be able to carry weapons virtually everywhere to protect themselves, their loved ones and innocents.

I also implore you to strongly consider recommending that trained school officials have access to weapons to protect students. Just as airline pilots may have access to a weapon to prevent another Sept. 11 mass murder, school officials also should be trained to stop shooting sprees at our schools.

I don’t encourage you to recommend a ban on any weapon, magazine capacity or type of ammunition. That won’t accomplish anything other than prevent the 99.9 percent of responsible, law-abiding Americans from enjoying these modern weapons as we do now. We should never recommend or develop public policy that restricts the rights of the good guys based upon what evil people do or might do. If that were the case, alcohol still would be banned. As you may know, drunk drivers kill an estimated 12,000 Americans each year and hurt tens of thousands more.

I encourage you also to keep this misnamed “gun violence” in perspective. While all deaths are tragic, the vast majority of gun-related murders and violence are committed by gang members who do not use guns that look like — but do not perform like — military assault weapons. The majority of crimes that involve a firearm are committed with handguns. I concurred with you back in 2008 when you stated, “If [Mr. Obama] tries to fool with my Beretta, he’s got a problem.” I trust you still maintain those sentiments.

Again, I offer you my services and a lifetime of expertise. I look forward to hearing from you.

Sincerely,

Ted Nugent

I couldn't copy and paste here --- but you've got to check out what's up in WYOMING....

Hysterical! I may think about moving from Washington to Wyoming - I gotta like these people!

http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/wyoming.asp

Kind of ironic after what just went down........

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Originally Posted by Spiffav8 (Post 458488)

:lol:

Yeah...kind of funny how the gun grabbers are using children to fuel the fire, yet when the Presidents kids are used as an example it's suddenly 'going to far'.

:rolleyes:

You wanna know what gets me? The Pres took care of this fast than deciding if we should send aid to Storm Sandy victims. I guess they had to see how much they could put aside for this crusade first.

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 458510)

Please do not reference Snopes for the truth... they're extremely biased, not to mention flat out wrong.

It wont let me copy and paste, but the last paragraph says something that the Constitution states that federal law is superior to state law. :lol:

It's like the 10th Amendment doesn't exist to those liberals.