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That's definitely a possibility. I already changed the front bar once. I have plenty of room for shock adjustments still. I ran it in pretty close to street trim. I think the car needs more work in the autocross than the track. That TCI camaro is as flat as the day is long. I don't think a floater will work for me. My rear is narrowed so much I really think the lower and upper 4 link mounts will be in the way. I still think I'm going to try a 10psi residual or some 6lb caliper springs in the near future. If that doesn't work or it helps I may throw on the 1" bore master I have here. First I'm going to take the car out to a parking lot and give it hell and stop with the e brake. Then I'll make sure it's not just a RR or vice versus. I'll measure the knockback with some feeler gauges so I know how much I need to cure and pass that info on to Wilwood.

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Originally Posted by Vegas69 (Post 275131)

Thanks I think. haha

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Hey Todd,
Any reason for going with hard fuel lines instead of a braided fuel line on your set up?

The hardline only runs from approx. the rear end housing to the front wheel well. I felt that it may help with odor in the garage and give me a better chance of making it home after running over some debris. There is a small ding in one line from debris and I don't get the fuel smell in the garage so I assume it has helped. Steel braided fuel hose would stand a better chance than the black nylon I used.

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Originally Posted by Vegas69 (Post 274486)

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How do you find the Mcleod twin disk?

your cars looking and sounding awesome, what exhaust you got on that badboy?:cheers:

Todd: I thought you were running NT01's? How bout those or R888, they have a pretty stiff carcass for that weight of car?

Marc

Todd have you ever read the rear sway bar info from David Pozzi? Might give you some insight into correcting your oversteer issues.

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REAR SWAY BAR?

There is less need for a rear sway bar on a multi leaf spring Camaro BECAUSE...

1. The rear roll center of the Camaro leaf spring design is inherently much higher than the front suspension, which is below ground level. This transfers cornering forces at the rear at a much higher rate compared to the front. The closer the roll center height is to the center of mass (at that end of the car) the more the cornering forces are transfered directly. (not through the springs or swaybars) to the tire tread.

This is why the old sprint cars with cross spring suspension didn't need swaybars. The roll center is about 1 1/2" below the center of mass, or mass centroid axis on those cars.

The disadvantage of the sprint cars high roll center is, if the cornering weight transfers automatically thru the high roll center. There is nothing the springs or shocks can do to absorb bumps and keep the tires from breaking loose (cornering). The car will act like there is a HUGE sway bar on it but the springs and shocks will not see those loads.

2. When a Camaro leans, it is twisting the stock leaf bushings. This adds a small amount of resistance to roll. If the bushings are solid aluminum, the leaf is going to be loaded in twist much more severely.

You can see this all adds up to higher roll resistance at the rear than you might normally think.

Later 80's Camaros had bigger swaybars on the rear but they have coil spring rear suspensions.

I am NOT saying you absolutely don't need a rear sway bar. If you stiffen the front much at all, you will cause the car to understeer and have to add a rear bar.

If the Guldstrand mod is done it raises the front roll center and adds traction to the front suspension at the same time. This combination may require addition of a rear bar.

The higher front roll center transfers weight when cornering similar to what the suspension does, but is independent of the suspension. If the roll center were raised to the same height of the front center of gravity (about 15") there would be no need for any front roll bar to prevent the car from leaning.

If the front roll center were raised HIGHER than the front center of mass, the car could very well roll the opposite direction in a turn!

Notice that on most rear bar kits, the arms are fairly long and the diamiter is usually small. The rear bar winds up making a small difference, if that difference balances an understeering car, fine. If not, it's not needed.

Guldstrand does not recommend adding inkage to the rear suspension, a rear swaybar or other stuff like panhard bars, or watts linkage. He feels it will wind up hurting rear traction on corner exit. I agree, except I have not been able to balance oversteer/understeer without using a rear anti-roll bar. I've seen cars with their suspension binding because of incompatable suspension "Add Ons" - usuualy traction bars. Make shure you aren't fixing a problem you didn't have in the first place. The best solution is a properly made leaf spring.

Wider and stickier tires on the rear of the car will increase the need for a rear sway bar.

More weight on the rear, or less weight on the front will increase the need for a rear sway bar.
This is just my opinion on the subject, of course you should do whatever works for you, but with the understanding of how the front and rear suspensions relate to each other. What you are after is a suspension that is compatable front and rear, balanced, and not binding or bottming heavily. If there is any binding the suspension is not tuneable.

Tire pressures adjustments can fix a lot as well. I'm running nitrogen in my tires now and it improved temperature variation at track days greatly. FWIW Guldstrand told me a rear swaybar is a bad idea with a big block car. He said understeer is my friend, and to dial in oversteer with tire pressures etc. Glad to see you out there enjoying it. Especially with the new motor. Love it and it definitely increased the desirability of your car should you ever sell.

I think I'm due for some engine bolt ons this year. Shooting for 800hp on pump NA. At least 650-700whp would be nice on tap. :thumbsup:

Not sure I understand you question G356? Assuming you mean like it?

It's got magnaflow with dumps at the rear axle. Big blocks just sound great. :unibrow:

Marc, I am running the R888's and honestly have no idea about the sidewall stiffness. I've found them to be predictable.

Dane, no more saying I don't like to track my car. :D I beat the living **** out of this thing. This car definitely needs a rear sway bar. Keep in mind it's all aftermarket suspension with the DSE sub and Alston rear. I'm close on teh setup. The road course set up was really close. A little tight if anything. I changed it for the autocross and forgot to let some air out of the tires. It was just crazy loose. I'm going to try some shock adjustments next autocross with the rear bar in teh road course hole. Then tweak it with air pressure. 800hp NA is tough unless you run a massive cam, single plane, race gas, etc. The most average torque wins. This engine does that beautifully. Not only does it zing to 6800 easily, it makes power at 2500.

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Originally Posted by Vegas69 (Post 280528)

Not sure I understand you question G356? Assuming you mean like it?

Yes....how do you fine the clutch working for you...feel, engagement,chatter, etc.

The only downside so far is you must be agressive from a stop light for no shudder. It doesn't chatter, or make a peep. The feel is good everywhere but from a dead stop taking off slow. Cruising or on the race track it's great. It's rated for 1000hp. I'd say I like it better than the Centerforce dual friction everwhere except a sunday drive around town(Don't do much of this anyway). The centerforce seemed to engage faster and was hard to control. It's no race clutch however. I'm still getting used to it. I'd probably go with the RST which is the organic version if you don't have over 600hp. After I told them what I had planned McLeod recommended the RXT due to the road race heat.

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Originally Posted by Vegas69 (Post 280528)

It's got magnaflow with dumps at the rear axle. Big blocks just sound great. :unibrow:

MY MAN!!!:thumbsup: :cheers:

Hi, That Engine looks Very CLEAN. Looking foward to see what it will look like in your car!

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Originally Posted by ~MLC~ (Post 280665)

Hi, That Engine looks Very CLEAN. Looking foward to see what it will look like in your car!

Voila

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sweet pics, what happened in the last pic? lost control, or victory donuts gone bad lol

Thanks Ryan, so that's what happened to all the tread on my rear tires. :rofl: I got into that corner to hot and was in a 4 wheel slide and I wasn't saving it so I just nailed the gas and completed the 360. I still ran a 49 with the penalties. :D

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Originally Posted by Rybar (Post 282073)

Some cool pics from an album posted on pro-touring.com Todd, check them out:

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/d...t/IMG_2187.jpg

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/d...t/IMG_2186.jpg

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/d...t/IMG_2100.jpg

http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/d...t/IMG_2154.jpg

still one of my favorite 69's

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Originally Posted by Vegas69 (Post 282104)

Nice Todd

VERY NICE!!!
This pic right here is AWESOME!!:cheers:

I really hadnt touched the car since I got back. I've been busy as hell with a company move and misc. other life stuff. I got a chance to give the car a brief inspection. Everything looks great so far. Definitely some new blemishes in front of the rear tires from the rocks getting slammed down on the pavement and bounced up. I'd trade that for the fun we had anyday. Checked the oil and it was only down .4 qt after at least 1 hour of racing and many street miles. I'd estimate 30-40 minutes of high rpm road racing(Many many blasts over 6500). I found about half of that oil in my breather tanks. The system is working perfectly. That was the ultimate test. I couldn't be happier. It's gorgeous out so I'm going to take it out to an appointment today, and autocross tomorrow AM.

Todd,
You have the G-link rear setup on this car, right?

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Originally Posted by Vegas69 (Post 280528)

Dane, no more saying I don't like to track my car. :D I beat the living **** out of this thing. This car definitely needs a rear sway bar. Keep in mind it's all aftermarket suspension with the DSE sub and Alston rear. I'm close on teh setup. The road course set up was really close. A little tight if anything. I changed it for the autocross and forgot to let some air out of the tires. It was just crazy loose. I'm going to try some shock adjustments next autocross with the rear bar in teh road course hole. Then tweak it with air pressure. 800hp NA is tough unless you run a massive cam, single plane, race gas, etc. The most average torque wins. This engine does that beautifully. Not only does it zing to 6800 easily, it makes power at 2500.

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Originally Posted by Vegas69 (Post 282690)

For you guys that missed the photos from Sean at Chevy Hi Performance. My first wheelie and me scaring the crap out of Kelli.

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/a...CKEVENT077.jpg

So glad you're hooked man. I thought I had typed out a response to you, but my memory has gone to crap since surgery. LOVE the photo of your wife screaming her ass off :lol: I forgot you're running all the latest goodies out back.

My girl's just getting used to taking Mulholland at 70mph in the mini without using the brakes. She laughs, but is still scared. Its tough easing them into trusting you :thumbsup:

I've been pissing off some people here lately so I'm going to lay low for a while for a while before Scott bans my ass. Apparently my sarcasm and smile doesn't translate well here.

I have a modified G Bar.

She really enjoys the races so I'm a lucky man for sure. I can see how you rub a few people the wrong way. :lol: You have to be yourself man. Still look forward to running with you one of these days.:cheers:

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Originally Posted by Vegas69 (Post 282691)

That's great to hear about the car Todd.
Let us know how it went today at the auto-x. HAVE FUN!!:cheers:

Sweet!

Like the new camera position! It gives a clearer view of the track and your speed I think.

VERY NICE!!:cheers:
Any idea what your average speed is going through there?! Looked like you were really moving.:wow: :thumbsup:

It's definitely a better perspective for me to learn. When I walked the track this morning I thought I was going to mop them up. This is the first autocross I've run where the gas pedal never hit the floor. The asphalt was hot and it felt slick today. It's already in the mid 80's. I ran well but was surprised how little power I could use once I got out there. It was certainly more technical than I expected. They always have good set ups and a great group of guys and gals. I decided to skip the afternoon and relax at home. Makes me want to charge the A/C!

It definitely wasn't one of the fastest tracks I've run. I'd guess nothing over 70mph.

Awesome video Todd :thumbsup:

Todd, looks like fun,thanks for the video.:thumbsup: Joe

Did you pretty much run that in 2nd gear?

Ya, I have a big block not some weeny little LS engine. :rofl: I run all my autocrosses in 2nd. I rev it to 6800 which is about 80mph. The torque curve is so good that it works well at 2500 as well. I didn't have much traction out there today. I ran the El Toro road race in 3rd gear and never shifted out of it once. The linear power is hard to beat for what I'm doing. You need to get out and do some autocrosses and road races. You'll be hooked. Where else can you go as fast as you want without getting a speeding ticket or killing yourself? You have no clue what that car will do until you take it off road. Trust me...

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Originally Posted by Vegas69 (Post 282899)

VERY COOL!! Looked like you were kicking some serious asphalt there.:wow:
I like the new camera angle as well.:thumbsup:

Camera placement made it easier for me to see the cones. With my bad eyesite the last videos made it hard to see the cones going as fast as you were,and thats what its all about. The car looks like its running great.

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Originally Posted by Vegas69 (Post 282756)

I have a modified G Bar.

Todd,
What on the G bar is modified? I tried some random searching through your thread, but I couldn't find the info in the 150+ pages.

David

Lower shock mounting points, end links, and sway bar.

Did you ever get your rear

pads in?

Now that you have some miles on them, how are the XP10's on the front?

I haven't got around to it. I've got alot going right now. The xp10's haven't squeaked yet and have more cold bite. Those rear pads aren't going to do my much good with the knockback anyway. I'm going to try the 1" bore master soon.

get a full floater

what's another $12-$1500 when you are in this deep. LOL

When you have time, I will tell you how to spend $8000 to get 2 more inches of rubber on each side.