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Hey Marty,

Thanks for the detailed update and the progress looks great! Look forward to future updates,

Brian

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Wiring, Wiring & more Wiring - The Clean Up ((09-07-20 )) Part 2

So how is it possible that I used all of these tools.

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Moving to my next project.

I don't have many wires that I want to label so as much as I want the really nice label maker I am going to do it the poor
man way. So off to Office Depot to Dymo Label maker for $40.00 and some clear heat shrink tubing.

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So here is my first try and I think it worked good enough for my little project.

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Sometime I wish I had a 3rd arm to help hold wires while I am soldering.

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My Dymo uses heat sensitive label material, they turn black when heated.. found out the hard way :D

2nd Chance Camaro - Let the Project Begin

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Originally Posted by WILWAXU (Post 708784)

My Dymo uses heat sensitive label material, they turn black when heated.. found out the hard way :D

Well it looks like I am going to do some testing with a hair dryer. Not sure how much of and issue it will be on the inside of the car. More worried about the stuff in the inner fender.

Edit
I did use a heat gun to shrink the heat shrink tubing. What’s your thoughts ??

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Marty,
Can you tell us where you got that clear heat shrink assortment?

Thanks in advance.

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Originally Posted by 69hugger (Post 708787)

Marty,
Can you tell us where you got that clear heat shrink assortment?

Thanks in advance.

Hi Bill.

Sure not a problem

XHF 160 PCS 3/32" 1/8" 3/16" 1/4" 5/16" 3/8" Clear 3:1 Waterproof Automotive Electrical Heat Shrink Tubing Assortmen Kit Marine Grade Adhesive Lined Tube, Insulation Sealing Oil-Proof Wear-Resistant

https://www.amazon.com/160-pcs-kit%E...P3E6A70&dchild

Hella Horns - Gotta Have Them (( 09-12-20 ))

Holley EFI Relays - Weld Studs (( 09-13-20 )

One of the benefits of the DEI X-Mat is you can push the weld studs into and make a perfect circle. I will be mounting the Holley Relays to these studs.

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It's important that you remove all the paint before you bond them.

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Organizing my mess (( 09-15-20 ))

Not only do I take a lot of notes I do my best to keep them very organized so I can find things when I need them.

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More parts showing up daily ( Thankfully I ship everything to work. )

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Holley EFI Tank (( 09-17-20 ))

Holley EFI Tank (( 09-17-20 ))

A Wiring Specific Tool Box (( 09-19-20 ))

Since I will be planning and running the wiring in the car it is time to put everything wiring in it's own tool box. So years ago I bought two of these toolboxes from Sears in a close out sale for $60.00 each assembled. They have been sitting in my warehouse for years and I have finally found the perfect use for one of them.

Trust me fitting up this folding shelf was not planned and the fact that it was a relief.

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All of this is going to find a proper home.

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Removing the Atomic 4L60E Transmission (( 09-19-20 ))

Now that I know how the trans fits and the fact that I will need to redo the trans crossmember. I am going to remove the trans so I can install
the fitting for the trans cooler lines. Plus it will open up the are under the car so I can get some work completed under the car.

I will be replacing these fittings so I can use the Holley PFT line with AN fittings

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Good thing Mike was over to help.

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Don't be afraid we have a plan...

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Oddly enough I couldn't convince Mike to be under the rack while I lowered it down.

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Perfection !!!

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Opps

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See you in a couple months.

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Installing the Holley EFI Tank (( 09-23-20 ))

Driveshaft - Village Auto (( 09-27-20 ))

Mocking Up the Holley Fuel Filter Regulator & Fuel Line (( 09-29-20 ))

Hey Marty,

You’re a busy man! Love the write-up, all of the detail, your organization and attention to detail (and nice find on the tool boxes, they work perfectly for all you wiring materials). Does the Holley EFI tank use one of their hydromats for fuel pickup? If not, is it baffled to avoid fuel starvation? I used a Rick’s Resto-mod tank in my Chevy II, which has corner pick ups, though they say they really aren’t necessary with the OEM fuel modules used in those ranks. Thanks,

Brian

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Originally Posted by syborg tt (Post 708785)

I used a heat gun on some shrink tubing nearby. If your labels survived the initial tubing shrink, you're probably good.

Great update!

Marty, you might want to use some Permatex Aviation sealer with the cork gaskets. Napa usually has it in stock.

Andrew

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Originally Posted by syborg tt (Post 708719)

Marty, I'm not sure you'd have enough room for the radiator to 'move' as it heats and cools down with the side to side mounts. You may need some wiggle room there so the radiator doesn't crack somewhere. Maybe take a look on a modern cars cooling system. There should be 'pins' on the radiator that go into usually large grommets. Just a thought.

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Originally Posted by bkswede (Post 708895)

Thanks Brian I appreciate the kind words.

Yep it has one of the very small hydromats and yes the tank is baffled. The good news is am building the car to cruise around in, haul my bike to the trail and to do the Power Tour/GG Road Tour. I have a Cayman R for track and autocross that is significantly faster, smaller and safer.

This car is my therapy vs going to an actually therapist. In the end it may have cost me the same but now at least I have something I can enjoy everyday.

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Originally Posted by cpd004 (Post 708908)

Eventually I’m going to be installing 3/4” well nuts on the upper mounts. Do you think that will be enough ??

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Originally Posted by syborg tt (Post 708917)

Eventually I’m going to be installing 3/4” well nuts on the upper mounts. Do you think that will be enough ??

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I'm definitely not an expert. Just had mine leak due to this exact thing. Hopefully someone will chime in that knows more. I think Steilow also mentions it somewhere in his thread.

Maybe contact the radiator manufacturer to get their thoughts?

Here is the way AutoRad does it. The bolt cinches down tight on the short shaft collar, squeezes the o-ring a bit (not a lot - it mostly floats in the large hole in the rad), allowing the radiator to be captured but still float. Food for thought.
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Originally Posted by Goosesdad (Post 708931)

Here is what I plan to use. (( Well nut to scale ))

Andrew you rock !!!

Thank you

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Originally Posted by andrewb70 (Post 708905)

Great update!

Marty, you might want to use some Permatex Aviation sealer with the cork gaskets. Napa usually has it in stock.

Andrew

So I did a little research and found that a Radiator thermal expansion can be as much as 3mm which should easily be covered by the well nuts in all directions. The well nuts I have are 3/4" so this should allow for plenty of movement.

What's your thoughts guys ?

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Originally Posted by Goosesdad (Post 708931)

I think that's what I was told as well. About 3mm of swelling. The bottom being in the factory saddle isolators and one of the well type bushings on each side that allows for movement in all directions should be ok, but again, just guessing. It needs to be able to move without moving too much.

I'm surprised you left the fuel tank silver. It's a Tanks Inc tank which is what I have on my TA. I have it coated in a satin black to hide it away.

You'll need to make sure you ground the sender to the car if it's not mentioned in the directions.

Doing great work, Marty. Thanks for sharing!

I didn't coat my cork gaskets in anything. Should I have?

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Originally Posted by syborg tt (Post 708945)

Radiator thermal expansion can be as much as 3mm which should easily be covered by the well nuts in all directions.

What's your thoughts guys ?

ALL DIRECTIONS is important cos twisting of the radiator support panel occurs when u enter an uphill driveway at an angle (one front wheel up to bump). This twist will also tear a radiator apart.

Well Nuts are good but painful to hold the rubber from turning, gripping with MULTIGRIPS will tear the brass insert from the rubber. Lube the thread and don't over tighten.
My suggestion would be wiring grommets and fender washers in top holes with Nyloc nuts barely tight...... and a rubber support pad in a bottom channel.

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Originally Posted by WSSix (Post 708949)

Don’t worry the tank is getting painted as the silver looks awful in my opinion. Not sure why the paint then silver.

From everything I’ve read and heard yes you need to coat the gasket.

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Originally Posted by Beechy (Post 708952)

Well Nuts are good but painful to hold the rubber from turning, gripping with MULTIGRIPS will tear the brass insert from the rubber. Lube the thread and don't over tighten.

My suggestion would be wiring grommets and fender washers in top holes with nylon nuts barely tight...... and a rubber support pad in a bottom channel.

Since I can easily install a Nylock nut on the back side of the well nut it will be very easy to install and remove if needed. All I would need to do is remove the grill.

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Originally Posted by WSSix (Post 708949)

You'll need to make sure you ground the sender to the car if it's not mentioned in the directions.

Doing great work, Marty. Thanks for sharing!

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Thank you for the tip on the ground wire. I will make sure I add a note on the tank so I don’t forget.

And thanks for the kind words.

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Drilling Holes in my Floor (( 09-30-20 ))

I am sure I am not the only one that doesn't like drilling a hole in the floor.

But since it has to be done in order to mount the filter/regulator so here we go.

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I was able to drill 3 out of 4 from the underside of the car. However, one of them I had to drill from inside the trunk.

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This is simple the best punch on the market (( Thank You Jimmy ))

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I wish someone was at home to help me hold the bolts

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Found a substitute for my Chunky Bars.

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Mounted !!

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Fast Forward Two Weeks Later and I am not really happy (( 10-11-20 ))

I took a couple days off the car and finally was able to get a few rides in on the one of my Fat Bikes. I upgraded the fork & tires and man what a difference it has made.

Looking back I should have installed the exhaust and the fuel tank before I mounted the Filter/Regulator. I am not really happy with how close the line is to the tailpipe. Either way I plan to install the DEI heat shield over the line and the fitting but I am still going to see if I can figure out a better way to run the fuel line.

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I slid the Filter/Regulator over about 2" and it looks much better. Not sure if this is going to be the final location but I may move it over a little be more.

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I also added a 90 Degree fitting and according to Holley tech's this is perfectly fine.

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and then this happened !!!

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This is the area of the tank that the tailpipe would be within an inch of.

Ugh !!

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So I have a couple choices in front of me and they both involve spending more money.

Choice #1 - Have High Speed Welding make me two new Tailpipes.

Choice # 2 - Order the Holley DSE Clipped Corner Fuel Tank

Calling it a night and going into the house and to watch Kindig It Design on Motor-Trend TV

Are you worried about heat getting into the tank? I'd think with the exhaust being that far from the engine and it being wrapped that it shouldn't be a concern. You're just driving the car, correct?

I believe I showed in my thread how I got my fuel lines from the tank to the chassis. Basically, I mounted hard lines on the tank and ran them to the front and around to the side where they jumped to the frame rail via flex hose. This put the fuel lines right above the split in the tank so a few inches lower than you are now. I welded a tab to the side of the tank to act as a bulkhead for mounting the tubing.

Great progress Marty. You'll be ready to fire it up soon! Merry Christmas.

Andrew

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Originally Posted by andrewb70 (Post 709160)

Great progress Marty. You'll be ready to fire it up soon! Merry Christmas.

Andrew

Thank you and I hope you had a wonderful Christmas.

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Originally Posted by WSSix (Post 709110)

Are you worried about heat getting into the tank? I'd think with the exhaust being that far from the engine and it being wrapped that it shouldn't be a concern. You're just driving the car, correct?

You are correct I am literally building this car just drive around have fun. Will never see a track and will see any trailheads.

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Originally Posted by WSSix (Post 709110)

I believe I showed in my thread how I got my fuel lines from the tank to the chassis. Basically, I mounted hard lines on the tank and ran them to the front and around to the side where they jumped to the frame rail via flex hose. This put the fuel lines right above the split in the tank so a few inches lower than you are now. I welded a tab to the side of the tank to act as a bulkhead for mounting the tubing.

You did i just went back and looked. I pretty much copied your idea using the Holley PFT lines.

Holley EFI Plumbing Final Location (( 10-18-20 ))

I am enjoying my time off of work and spending time with my girls. My goal is to finally get this thread all caught up.

The final location of the Filter/Regulator has been decided so I will have four holes to fill in the floor. Insert sad face

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While I am here I am going to fix a couple things. The exhaust was rubbing on the passenger side tailpipe. The good news is it a simple fix and all I need to do is flip the bracket and change the angle of the bracket.

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My Grandfather gave me this vice when I was you and it was his fathers vice. I am happy to say it still works great and I love having it in my garage on my rolling cart.

I clamped the bracket in the vise and gently tapped till it was aiming the other direction. I like using the dead blow hammer as it doesn't damage the bracket and you don't have to hit it as hard as a regular hammer.

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Worked out perfect and now all I have to do is have it powder coated.

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I am also happy with the new location as it moves the fuel line a good distance away from the tailpipes.

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It's always nice to have a friend in the Garage (( 10-18-20 ))

I love this little man

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Next up make up the fuel lines heading to the Filter/Regulator.

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I also headed to the Powder Coater to pick up the driveshaft. I am very happy with how it turned out.

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I probably should have put the universal joints in while it was taped up.

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