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camcojb 01-17-2013 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Tony_SS (Post 458603)
Please do not reference Snopes for the truth... they're extremely biased, not to mention flat out wrong.

It wont let me copy and paste, but the last paragraph says something that the Constitution states that federal law is superior to state law. :lol:

It's like the 10th Amendment doesn't exist to those liberals.

They're probably going by what currently is happening vs the actual laws or constitution. Reference Californias legal medical marijuana laws and the Feds busting them anyway. :rolleyes:

Tony_SS 01-17-2013 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by camcojb (Post 458611)
They're probably going by what currently is happening vs the actual laws or constitution. Reference Californias legal medical marijuana laws and the Feds busting them anyway. :rolleyes:

True, but I would refer them to the states of WA and CO and how they recently legalized marijuana for recreational use. Yes, states can do and did that. :)

intocarss 01-17-2013 10:59 AM

COLUMBINE STUDENT'S FATHER 12 YEARS LATER!!(2011)

Guess our national leaders didn't expect this. On Thursday, Darrell Scott, the father of Rachel Scott, a victim of the Columbine High School shootings in Littleton, Colorado, was invited to address the House Judiciary Committee's subcommittee. What he said to our national leaders during this special session of Congress was painfully truthful. They were not prepared for what he was to say, nor was it received well. It needs to be heard by every parent, every teacher, every politician, every sociologist, every psychologist, and every so-called expert! These courageous words spoken by Darrell Scott are powerful, penetrating, and deeply personal. There is no doubt that God sent this man as a voice crying in the wilderness. The following is a portion of the transcript:

"Since the dawn of creation there has been both good &evil in the hearts of men and women. We all contain the seeds of kindness or the seeds of violence. The death of my wonderful daughter, Rachel Joy Scott, and the deaths of that heroic teacher, and the other eleven children who died must not be in vain. Their blood cries out for answers. "The first recorded act of violence was when Cain slew his brother Abel out in the field. The villain was not the club he used.. Neither was it the NCA, the National Club Association. The true killer was Cain, and the reason for the murder could only be found in Cain's heart. "In the days that followed the Columbine tragedy, I was amazed at how quickly fingers began to be pointed at groups such as the NRA. I am not a member of the NRA. I am not a hunter. I do not even own a gun. I am not here to represent or defend the NRA - because I don't believe that they are responsible for my daughter's death. Therefore I do not believe that they need to be defended. If I believed they had anything to do with Rachel's murder I would be their strongest opponent I am here today to declare that Columbine was not just a tragedy -- it was a spiritual event that should be forcing us to look at where the real blame lies! Much of the blame lies here in this room. Much of the blame lies behind the pointing fingers of the accusers themselves. I wrote a poem just four nights ago that expresses my feelings best.

Your laws ignore our deepest needs, Your words are empty air. You've stripped away our heritage, You've outlawed simple prayer. Now gunshots fill our classrooms, And precious children die. You seek for answers everywhere, And ask the question "Why?" You regulate restrictive laws, Through legislative creed. And yet you fail to understand, That God is what we need!

"Men and women are three-part beings. We all consist of body, mind, and spirit. When we refuse to acknowledge a third part of our make-up, we create a void that allows evil, prejudice, and hatred to rush in and wreak havoc. Spiritual presences were present within our educational systems for most of our nation's history. Many of our major colleges began as theological seminaries. This is a historical fact. What has happened to us as a nation? We have refused to honor God, and in so doing, we open the doors to hatred and violence. And when something as terrible as Columbine's tragedy occurs -- politicians immediately look for a scapegoat such as the NRA. They immediately seek to pass more restrictive laws that contribute to erode away our personal and private liberties. We do not need more restrictive laws. Eric and Dylan would not have been stopped by metal detectors. No amount of gun laws can stop someone who spends months planning this type of massacre. The real villain lies within our own hearts.

"As my son Craig lay under that table in the school library and saw his two friends murdered before his very eyes, he did not hesitate to pray in school. I defy any law or politician to deny him that right! I challenge every young person in America , and around the world, to realize that on April 20, 1999, at Columbine High School prayer was brought back to our schools. Do not let the many prayers offered by those students be in vain. Dare to move into the new millennium with a sacred disregard for legislation that violates your God-given right to communicate with Him.

To those of you who would point your finger at the NRA -- I give to you a sincere challenge.. Dare to examine your own heart before casting the first stone! My daughter's death will not be in vain! The young people of this country will not allow that to happen!" - Darrell Scott

camcojb 01-17-2013 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Tony_SS (Post 458633)
True, but I would refer them to the states of WA and CO and how they recently legalized marijuana for recreational use. Yes, states can do and did that. :)

and how long do you think before the Feds start busting them? It's legal here too, and it makes no difference to them.

Tony_SS 01-17-2013 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by camcojb (Post 458659)
and how long do you think before the Feds start busting them? It's legal here too, and it makes no difference to them.

I don't know.. hopefully never. Maybe if enough states/sheriff's stand up they'll back down, but it seems the power does what it wants.

Tony_SS 01-17-2013 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by garickman (Post 458676)
Federal Law ALWAYS supersedes State Law. It is known as the The Supremacy Clause and it can be found in Article VI, clause 2 of the United States Constitution. It establishes the U.S. Constitution, Federal Statutes, and U.S. Treaties as "the supreme law of the land." The text decrees these to be the highest form of law in the U.S. legal system, and mandates that all state judges must follow federal law when a conflict arises between federal law and either the state constitution or state law of any state. (Note that the word "must" is used, which makes it a necessity, a compulsion.)

Through 2010, resolutions have been introduced in the legislatures of 27 states that would nullify federal authority over such local firearms. The legislation passed in Montana and Tennessee in 2009 and in Alaska, Arizona, Idaho, South Dakota, Utah, and Wyoming the following year. South Carolina has taken the issue one step further: in 2010 a bill was introduced which would effectively nullify all gun registration laws within the state.

HOWEVER, unless the Supreme Court reverses its decision from 1958 Cooper V. Aaron, (not likely) the Supreme Court of the United States held that federal law prevails over state law due to the operation of the Supremacy Clause, and that federal law "can neither be nullified openly and directly by state legislators or state executive or judicial officers nor nullified indirectly by them through evasive schemes . . . ." Thus, state laws purporting to nullify federal statutes or to exempt states and their citizens from federal statutes have only SYMBOLIC IMPACT.

Sorry Greg but that is just not true. This article explains here:

http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2010...use-smackdown/

The key is that the federal government was supreme only in its enumerated powers under the confines of the Constitution. That's all the supremacy clause says. It doesn't say the fed govt is a King to rule over us.

It's important to remember the States created the Federal govt, not the other way around. We have States for a reason, and that which is not delegated specifically to the fed govt, bound by the Constitution, is reserved to the states and the people. 10th Amendment.

The States did not create a 'King', the fought a war to escape from one. Original intent can not be ignored to those who try and interpret the Constitution.

Shmoov69 01-17-2013 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by intocarss (Post 458653)
COLUMBINE STUDENT'S FATHER 12 YEARS LATER!!(2011)

- Darrell Scott

Thanks for that info, I had not heard that. As most of y'all know already, I agree!!

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Originally Posted by Tony_SS (Post 458688)

The States did not create a 'King', the fought a war to escape from one. Original intent can not be ignored to those who try and interpret the Constitution.

T, why do want to bring up, the "original intent" of the Constitution?? The government has been ignoring that for years!!! :mad:

sniper 01-18-2013 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Tony_SS (Post 458688)
Original intent can not be ignored to those who try and interpret the Constitution.

The irony of the concept of the Constitution being a "living" document is that it was designed to be the steadfast reliable backbone of our country in "trying" times. It is a guarantee of protections of it's people not for the government. Yet every time there is some great cause, the government runs right over the Constitution to institute protections and laws it deems necessary. I don't care which party you want to talk about either, as they are both willing to trample on our rights.

Original intent was to have a document and basis of rights to keep our federal government in check NO MATTER WHAT THE CRISIS OF THE CURRENT TIME is. No matter how many shootings, school or otherwise happen, there is NO basis for gun control.

Sieg 01-18-2013 05:35 PM

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Z10ROD 01-18-2013 05:36 PM

I think most are missing the point here although Joe and Potus asked congress to ban assault weapons and large clips as well as back ground checks for all sales his executive actions all deal with being able to inforce laws already on the books ( ATF ) SENATE CONFORMATION OF A DIRECTOR AND just make it more difficult for insane and felons to get gun's ???? what else could they do ?? not much. I think congress will do the background ck deal and that will be enough. without taking anyones rights that should have those rights ???? and as far as who has juristiction ???? its federal no question. nice try though:cheers:


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