Couldn't agree more!! :yes:

I actually like the fact the pro-touring it still a small community. I like having pretty much the only pro-touring car in my area. If I showed up at a cruise, and everyone had a pt car, I might have to build a pro-street car, :eek: .

wow... been away for a while..i see this spiraled out of control.

i did say that they were just my opinions... and a lot of people probably wouldnt agree.... but i should have clarified the one comment that i think got everyone excited.

the POSER comment was meant as a direct relation to the pro-street "poser" trend.... back halved cars with huge blowers stickin out of the hood.... cars built for the sole purpose of fallowing the current "trend".... they were cool at the time...yes... but for the most part were just worthless show cars.

i realalize there are a lot of guys out there who can afford to build or buy the cars with all the cool "trendy" go-fast, handle good, stop great parts. there is nothing wrong with it at all....... but in my worthless opinion.... they shouldn't be building the car just to "show off"... IF they would be throwing the money at it in a genuine interest of making the car better. yes the cars from the factory 35 years drive like sh!t today... but in all honesty...its good enough if all you plan on doin is driving it to work and home. now by upgrading everything, you make the car more fun, enjoyable, comfortable, SAFE.... then you are doing it because you feel it needs it...even if that is just for the trip home from work, which if that trip turns into the long way home so you can catch your favorite twisty back road... then that falls into the "pc correct" track deal.


for the most part.. i feel my comments are usually positive, or atleast consructive critisim. i dont think i have ever purposely gone out looking to stir sh!t up, and when i say something that obviously starts a bit of controversy...well i go back and re-explain myself. i aslo remind everyone...that it is just my opinion... and if you like it or not...its not gonna be changed.

btw... the plan of my personal project evolved.... if you look back at my 1st project intro when i said it would have a forced induction sbc...etc etc.... then later when i realized it didnt "need" it for what i plan on doing... it went to something else, and now its different yet again. i try to look for ways to be outside the box, usually i just want to be different... and thats what great about this hobby...i can do what i want.... and it doesnt matter if everyone else likes it or not.

I agree w/Stuart's sentiments.

magazines are slinging a lot of crap too.

Why is everyone trying so hard to DEFINE everything?

Frieburger and his goofy sandals can take a leap.

Build your car, do what you want with it.

As for me, I don't get into trailer-queen show cars, but one man's junk is anothers art now isn't it?

Sorry, I could not help it, I had to post over there. Steve, I "borrowed" your idea as to why no one showed up to the drag week. :thumbsup:
Frieburger is right though, if we are to get respect, we gotta cowboy up.

I have gone through my phases, at 15 I had a 65 GTO 3 duce 389 4 speed, post coupe. Handled like a loaded running washing machine on a creeper with a stuck wheel.

Went through my Senior year Drag racing phase, I found it was the fastest way to make a lot of money into a little money.

Went through my want a Ferrarri phase, note I said want.

Went through my living with a Fix-up car in the garage when I was first married with kids, stayed in that phase up until about 8 years ago when my career took off.

Now I want a statement, I have the money and the knowhow. What I dont know I pay people to know for me. I will spend a buttload on my car and drive it like it was stolen or rented. I will not apologise for that. I have a bigger House and a lot of acreage, but I am not posing as Jed Clampet. I will have a 850 horse convertible G-machine that has legitimate insurance and if I wreck it, I'll get another. I am not posing as Dan Gurney or Kenny Bernstein.

Most of the guys here, at least the mature guys, support each other. This Poser BS is Juvenile. Pose as a smart guy and leave this dissention BS to the flys and the Barnyards.

Friberger is in the business of selling advertisment in his mag and getting us to buy stuff from companies that have Big Hootered women standing by the product. Its his job. I won't fall for that Baiting crap, dont you. There are plenty of other boards to piss up walls on.

Go there and stay.

Fine. But if he hosts "Demolition Derby Month", I'm busy!

i should probably just leave this alone..... but i would like to make it clear that i was not refering to ANYBODY as a "poser".... i did a piss poor job of trying to explain my point of view by comparing "poser" pro street show cars...to a PT car that that has been modded to its full potential...yet is never given the chance to perform in ways the mods were designed.

i 100% agree with the "do what you want with YOUR car", but my OPINION is that it is pointless to build a PT car that is just for looking at. i really dont feel im trying to "define" anything. if anything i think im trying to push the point of "change is good"..... i feel the cars that step outside the "norm" should recieve extra attention. these are the cars that are influencing the evolution of the hobby.

i also 100% support the guys who are willing to "risk" damage to the car they have spent so much time, energy, and money building. this might put them in an "elite" crowd, but its not really any different than the guys just who take the long way home from work in an effort to enjoy the car.

i do jump to judgment when i see a car built 100% for wow factor, and will never see any kind of "abuse"(lack of a better term).... it just means i have an opinion.... and dont expect everyone to agree with it.

like i said earlier... i give extra props to the guys who do something different, like tearin up a roadcoarse with an elky, throwin a I6 dohc jdm powerplant in an early nova, an 18 y/o & his old man building a show quality 800hp street monster will full intentions of tearin up tracks after its inital showing, the guy who is willing to drive his car like a stolen rental car, the guy who is trying to push his lexus into the 9's.....the list goes on and on and on. in reality it doesnt make these cars any better than the cars built just to cruise, but why shouldn't they get extra credit for actually having the nerve to go out and risk something bad happening.

im done trying to justify my OPINIONS, i think i have clarified my previous statements.....you guys can continue flaming me all ya want, because unlike a lot of people in life...i do practice what i preach, my "shop truck" WILL be at silverstate, pony express, thunderhill, autocross and the dragstrip next year.... along with daily driven shop truck duties.

btw... i appologize for this spiraling so far off the original topic, and by my responce, i realize that i am contributing the the pissing match, but i felt clarification of the previous statemnets was justified