yeah Greg we did lose train of thought that day didn't we. There is a difference in that we know him and bustin his balls on stuff is fun. Guys that are just walking around the car pointing stuff out, while your there close to your car, is a bit rude. Atleast wait for the owner to walk away. :rolleyes:

Man, what took you so long---I was about to call you--this post was ripe for a "Weld" comment---and it took you like 2 days to respond? Are you cheating on Lat G with someone else? LOL

I agree with every comment made here---it felt good to post up the issue and get some responses from you guys---especially when I figured I couldn't be the only one getting these guys around my car. Typically, I would never say anything about such things, however I was a bit tired of it by the end of the morning for some reason this time.

I guess I'm really amazed at a couple of things here; Matt's car being slammed for investing too much money into a 69 Camaro--that's a new one, and gaps being "too" good. Never thought I would hear that. Thanks for all the positives, that means a lot coming from this group. I am going to try the "Mario" approach on the next one---and see what happens. My luck it will be like Carrol Shelby or something.

This community is the best thing going for sure. I'm really thinking about changing the cars name from Appollo 13 to Gappy now---

Doug

Doug --

The "gappy" was between the bozos ears that made the original comments.

Hey -- Some times I'm actually BUSY... Just arrived in Phoenix last night -- hauling the daughters Mustystang down for her start at ASU... one down - one to go...

It's why I had to cancel PT... well, that and... the motor for the Nomad is on a stand (not between frame rails).

I told this story to a guy just the other day.... and I'll NEVER forget the lesson. He had a Camaro (the Wounded Warriors Camaro, actually a very nice car with some cool mods...) on Powerblock and he was criticizing some aspects and pointing out things he wished he had done differently; comparing it to the ring brothers "Afterburner" that was staged in the warehouse waiting for it's appearance and interview with Courtney. We had a great discussion about this very topic, and I told him my story and the lesson I learned.

I was at a Carlisle show quite a few years ago, walking the show field and looking. I stalled at a car and looked it over, seeing some stuff that I didn't completely agree with, and that could have been improved IE- panel gaps, etc.... No car is perfect and I wasn't about to say anything out loud, but the guy that built the car was beside me before I knew it, and started talking to me about it, and was very proud. He was paraplegic, and in a chair, and had done everything on the car himself, and with the help of some buddies, but had his hands (and sweat) in every aspect. It totally humbled me and made me embarrassed for even thinking what I had without knowing the full story. I was So glad that nobody heard my thoughts, as I had NO right to judge anybody's workmanship, especially not having known the full story or the circumstances behind the build. I'll never again comment negatively on someone else's work, especially in public, or quietly off to the side to show off for friends...

Everyone's work deserves recognition, and everyone has their own curve when it comes to skills, and every car is a build-in-progress, and never really "finished". I think these guys showed their true nature in slamming somebody's car publicly... and I'm personally very glad I learned my lesson the way I did. It doesn't change the way a car is built, but it totally eliminates the chance to talk with somebody about their car, what their goal is, where the strengths of the build are, and what stage of completion the vehicle is actually in... These guys blew a great opportunity to meet a genuine gearhead with alot of cred... I don't mean to get " high and mighty" on anybody, quite the opposite, I just wanted to tell my story and how I was shamed into changing my perspective.... I'll keep that experience in the back of my mind for the rest of my days.

Happy Memorial Day Everyone, Thanks to the men and women in uniform, fast and present.

KT.

That really puts it in perspective KT. We all have different levels of expectation and experience. I can appreciate cars on many levels. I can't help myself when I see a hack job but usually keep my mouth shut. I don't want to be that guy. I have to add that every dog has their day. We've all been in a bad mood or struggled with a decent attitude. I usually try to give people the benefit of the doubt once. :unibrow: I like Mario's response. Don't take it personal, just ask to see his car. 9 out of 10 times it's a Monday morning quarterback.

Honestly I will admit that I'm one of the nit-picking a$$holes, but usually it's the cars that supposedly were done by big name shops with tons of $$ invested, not a budget build cars, some people may never understand my way of thinking, but if you actually pay a professional to get a job done and the job does not appear to be done by a pro, expect my nit-picking .

I simply can not comprehend when someone spends 10's of thousands of $$ on parts, remove majority of the parts before paint and leave few brackets,cables,wiring harness,brake booster and hoses everything with paint, then drops in $20k all polished and chromed out motor, turbo,e.t.c. It only takes few extra hours to remove them before paint ,clean and install after the paint work is done, here is a prime example

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/a...012/014-21.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/a...012/005-20.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/a...012/011-19.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/a...012/016-16.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/a..._012/029-4.jpg

I see this kind of stuff all the time, I mean how hard is it to remove few brake lines,unbolt few brackets,remove couple wires? You spend weeks ,months and years building a car, few hours extra making sure everything is removed, cleaned and re-installed will not kill you. I hope you guys see where I'm coming from. I just like seeing cars that were done right, not half-assed, that's all:cheers:

I love Mario's approach, it's the best defense in situations where someone is ripping on your car, I applaud when someone spends alot of $$ and sweat into their car and drives it like it's meant to be. DFRESH, paint chips and dings are nothing more than battle wounds

Dude---great stuff right there----I just read this to my wife Cassie---(Her response was "Wow--what a great message---A car guy said that?" LOL

Thanks for sharing that brother---that really does put it all into perspective. I really appreciate what you said regarding missing out on the opportunity to meet a potential gear head--that is a great observation and very true.

Doug

yeah kt you did put it rite.

I forgot to say in my previous post that KT's story will definitely will make you think twice before ripping on someone's car,and I speak to myself

Oh to go back to the days when panel gap and paint quality did not matter... I just loved EVERY car, Those were much simpler and cheaper days.

Something must have brought them to your car, whether it be stance, color, etc. If those guys know about fit and finish then be honored they even noticed your car. See it's all about perspective.