And on that note, I can't be nice for long. Reading your post gave me a headache. Besides being biased towards Alston's product because you think it looks better, it was damn near incoherent. Open an english book and learn some proper punctuation.

Anyway, I'd rather have performance over looks. I KNOW the Alston sub doesn't compare to the DSE frame. F**k it. Guys, we're talking to a wall. I'm gonna go drink some gasoline.

I have a hard time thinking that you will be around long with your attitude. You like Alston's stuff, good for you. Some of us can afford a better subframe. Maybe you can't and you have to defend yourself on your purchase and by trashing something you have no clue on. You are the worse kind of person, spewing crap for which you have no idea what it is you're talking about. It’s my “opinion” that you’re an idiot. I know, let's have a spelling contest? "Doc Holliday"


Sparky 67. Thanks for the great info. Much appreciated.

I agree with Jonny51.

When I first saw DSE had a hydroformed sub frame my first thought was - Holy smokes! Those DSE guys have put some serious R&D and money into designing and making that piece.

I won't talk out of my backside about the geometry of either sub frame - Alston's or DSE's, because I don't know the differences. But, I do know this - hydroforming machines cost a small fortune, and Hydroformed parts are stronger and weigh less due to structural integrity and fewer welds or add-on pieces.

Lastly, as soon as I have $6700 in my pocket, I'll be joining the others who have placed their orders for one of those DSE sub frames.

Wow!

This thread is getting a bit hot.....

I personnally don't think screaming each other names will get us anywhere...

But as i posted at the beginning, i wonder how many of you guy's could really tell the handling difference in your car, on the street, without knowing what subframe is in it? Come on! Put a (Alston if you will) and then swap a DSE unit in it and tell me which one handles better.....I'd really like to see that.

No numbers...Feeling. If its gonna make a difference, YOU GOTTA KNOW HOW TO DRIVE IN THE FIRST PLACE. (and you've all seen the ones i'm talking about on the street!)

I know some might like to put in the latest speed parts because it 'Sounds' or looks killer and they can brag about it at the next show. But most don't have a clue what t f they are talking about.

Then again....Johny51 say's it best. (To each its own!!! :hail: )

But i tought this was a "DISCUSSION" forum....

Hope my puctuation was not too bad. (I'm french primarily) ;)


Lead.
See, to me the important issue is how wide a rubber i can fit under any corner!!!

So G-body, do you get a commission at Chris Alston? lol The way you're carrying on makes it sound like the people interested in the DSE unit are taking money out of your pocket.

Whatever the case, freedom of choice is why this country is so great. If you don't like it, don't buy it. It's just that simple.

Mod Edit..

Since you refuse to answer my questions about what data you have about the two subframes I will just assume you are trolling. I have a feeling that you really don't know much of anything about either part besides price.

Just going on and on and on how one product is better than the other only based on price and the fact you think one "looks" better (the only two data pieces you present) is useless. It's almost like your a Alston employee, except I know Chris and he has WAY WAY too much class for that.

And for the record I am running a 21st Century Frame and Alston shocks, so I really don't have a dog in the DSE fight.. I just find your posts annoying and repetative. If you can't give any data I will "prune" future posts in this thread..

LOL .........This is getting funny......Im here to back DSE......If you cant afford it then dont by it.....Dont sit their and complain about it.....does anyone remember the BIG Debate about billet Hindges....Same thing....They are bad A$$ .......Thats why they are expensive....Same with the subframe ....Its Bad A$$......I think some of you will get what i am trying to get at here.........


-Paul

Wow I step away for a few hours and you guys make a mountain out of an aunt hill! no i dont work for alston and nor do i care, But my point is. unless you are reading other than you want to read out of all this, there is other products out there, and i havent bashed Detroit i have said they make a great peice just not for the money and it hasnt been out long enough to prove my point different as of yet anyone can type how good there product is, time will tell its a great idea but a good point was made by "leadfoot1" with normal street drving you are not going to notice that much of a difference, and with that said your out of $6,700 Jack compared to a better looking and "Probably" handling peice time will tell but for the money and from what i'm reading dont think the money would be justified also were not even talking about the other frames. Ones that you have mention and even the total cost unit that is made, they make a great tubular peice so to each his own, and as for me, Money is not a problem, Being smart enough to make good purchases is.

...I looked at DSE's website and could not find any specs regarding suspension geometry...Aside from the introduction at the beginning of this thread, what do we have to work with so we can compare?

Steeve, please don't lock up this thread i'd really like to see the end results!

I understand nobody has the same budget. But i tend to share a bit of this "Too expensiveness" from DSE. I posted a thread once about their 4 point cage selling for 650$ ( :wow: ) when you can get an SnW or Comp 10 point (very nice products that can compare in every way) for 200$....This is kinda ridiculous don't you think? I mean, even if you have the dough, at some point, it becomes a thing of the inflatable neighbourgh....No?

Lead.

Their is no specs because ...........IT JUST CAME OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


-Paul