Well, lets start out with the topic of question, shall we ??
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Originally Posted by syenkoc
I have a question about Detroit Speed's quadra link system. I'm building a '69 Camaro resto-rod, and I'm debating whether to install DSE's quadra link rear end vs. modern leaf springs. My main concern with this car is drivability - I'm don't really care about originality...
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Gee looky there, it says
modern leaf springs. Huh. So I guess this isnt all about an off the shelf leaf spring now is it ??
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Originally Posted by streetfytr68
Thanks Tom. I re-read this thread 17 times trying to figure out exactly what the hell you're recommending.
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Wow... you must have been eating pie all night, it only took me a single re-read... and a single qoute:
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Originally Posted by chicane
That alone completes any arguement that one can have a leaf set-up to unquestionably meet and/or beat various link suspensions.
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But as for this... who is misdirecting who ?? You sound like the Democratic hard line:
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Originally Posted by streetfytr68
which is to say....Your "anything but DSE" agenda.
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Its not an "anything but DSE" agenda there Polchow. This topic questions products from DSE and no other entity, nor was any other product line included in what has been questioned. If this would have included Hotchkis, VBP, EATON and/or Global West leaf springs my replies would have NOT changed. So Steevo- dont mislead, read between the lines or misinterpret what has been stated.
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Originally Posted by streetfytr68
Seriously, I hate getting into a pissing match with Tom, but people are being misled.
His statements are technically accurate, but the application is wrong. His remarks apply to racing--not pro-touring. Every statement is fully applicable to a race car where lap times are all that matter; where banging fenders or an off track excusrion is a possible by-product of winning..
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Uhhhhm... no. Obviously another misdirection on your behalf. Care to expound on this one Steve ?? How is the application wrong ?? Because there are DSE parts in question ?? The application isnt wrong. The available technology is, can and has been applied to a 150# street spring and that of a 350# high bank spring.
YOU are the only one directing this toward a single use application. I never stated any such thing. But allow me to include the following quote as to encompass the rest of my answer:
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Originally Posted by streetfytr68
But that favorite back road? The one with the 30 mph recommended speed limits? A typical pro-touring car can run that 30mph road at about 70-75mph without breaking a sweat. That's 4/10ths--NOT racing. That is what almost all pro-touring enthusiasts will experience. If you're taking that 30mph road at 90mph then you're either stupid or negligent. Ultimate parts will not change that. Buy the ultimate parts because you want them. I do. But don't buy them because someone told you that the ordinary off the shelf parts are unacceptable.
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Again, this isnt solely directed towards a RACING spring. Just because a "Pro-Touring" chassis isnt on a race track, does not mean that it
will not experience the same conditions off of the track. Will it experience wheel hop ?? How about exessive wheel spin ?? Or how about tortional loading of the spring, even at low speeds ?? Or what about axle tramp under braking ?? All of this... ALL OF THIS happends... whether or not you are driving on your favorite twisty road, or on a track. So yes, it does have a direct effect.
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Originally Posted by streetfytr68
But don't buy them because someone told you that the ordinary off the shelf parts are unacceptable.
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Exactly a point I was trying to convey. But, why have and ordinary off the shelf spring if you are looking for a modern spring to begin with ?? Especially, if you can build that modern spring and that it can cost you, about the same shipped, OR less than what the ordinary spring is being offered at ?? As I stated before, depending on application.. depends on cost.
Gee a better part for the same dough ?? Huh, who woulda thunk it.
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Originally Posted by streetfytr68
The original post makes no mention of competition or maximum performance. So why bring custom $1200 leafs into the conversation?.
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For a cost comparison, maybe ?? Rocket scientist huh... ?? :P
Do they have to be $1200 springs ?? No. I have had sets made for clients that did not require a professional spring for $132 a spring. As stated before, it depends on the application.
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Originally Posted by streetfytr68
Why waste people's time with imaginary parts? How much is shipping from Never-neverland? What is your shop's phone number? What forms of payment do you accept? What's your URL? Exactly how is the average enthusiast supposed to acquire these extraordinary leafs? Will tinkerbell deliver them?
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Imaginary parts ?? What imaginary parts ?? Why not ask the 15 or so over on Camaros.net about their recently acquired imaginary parts. And why you are at it... why dont you go ask the owners of the circa 67-73 Vintage Trans-am Camaro and Firebird chassis about their imaginary parts. Gee, how about it Steve... your really showing your ass aren't you ??
Shipping, dont know... dont where they are going to. But from Escondido California to New York is about $50 per spring. Phone number is 747-5050. All types of payment are accepted. How do you get them ?? Well, I do the engineering drawing, send it to the shop that is going to perform the work and you then wait for the brown truck... the tinkerbell outfit is optional at an additional cost.
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Originally Posted by streetfytr68
As for my experience, I will gladly meet you in the middle of the country for a head to head challenge. My off the shelf leaf springs against your magic pixie dust leaf springs.
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Not a bad idea. But I dont think I could handle the headache from that annoying horn you have.
