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bdahlg68 09-30-2013 07:23 AM

Made some more progress on the frame rails... Welds are getting prettier as I get used to reading my welds and adjusting wire speed and output. Also getting used to the plasma cutter. Roughed out the first spring pad, cut for the angles, and partially welded back together. I ran out of wire (doh) so I just need to finish welding and clean up the edges. Probably going to need to cut back the leading edge to clear the upper control arm attachment to the subframe as well. I have another one rough cut, but I'm not super happy with how it came out. It was the first one I made. So I might need to make another one. These are made out of 3/16" plate, so it's not the easiest to cut. The rear spring rates on these cars is 400-500 lb/in, so I just want to be sure it's stiff. It will be framed in and capped as well - but will probably drop to 1/8" or 11g for that.

I've had a few issues with the plasma unit, but Eastwood has been great. Need to replace the air control solenoid as the plastic lines seem to just keep popping out of it. They sent me a new one so just need to install. Hope that takes care of the issues. :weld:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-F...no/photo+1.JPG

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-h...42-no/ATT04338

bdahlg68 10-05-2013 08:00 PM

Getting closer on the rear frame. Ended up having the spring pads CNC plasma cut (thanks for the cad help Aaron). So those are done and tacked on the frame. Time to see if I can use the threaded inserts out of the BMW rails I have. Then I just need to fab up the shock towers.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-B...no/photo+1.JPG

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-W...no/photo+2.JPG

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-F...no/photo+3.JPG

WSSix 10-06-2013 06:42 AM

Cool. Glad to see progress being made on the car, Brian. Good luck!

65_LS1_T56 10-06-2013 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by bdahlg68 (Post 508772)
Getting closer on the rear frame. Ended up having the spring pads CNC plasma cut (thanks for the cad help Aaron).

hey no problem. You need to download Draftsight...it's free. http://www.3ds.com/products-services...ight/overview/
It would work great for making plasma profiles quickly.

RussMurco 10-07-2013 06:46 AM

Oh, I so want to see this installed! Keep rolling!!!

bdahlg68 10-21-2013 07:57 AM

Slowly but surely.... the subframe now bolts to the frame rails at all 4 corners and I starter to box in the spring pads. Goal is to have this done including the shock towers before it's too cold in the garage. Feel like my welds are getting better even though they still aren't super pretty. Any suggestions for continued weld improvements are welcomed (besides just practice - which I am trying to do). :welder:

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Z...5-no/photo.JPG

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/0G...JflbEq=s685-no

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/--...no/photo+4.JPG

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-o...no/photo+5.JPG

GregWeld 10-21-2013 08:24 AM

Brian -- Some of what you're seeing is that your metal is not super clean -- and that means INSIDE and out.... and when oil/grease etc gets hot - it's gets sucked into your weld puddle and will cause holes and discoloration etc.

bdahlg68 10-21-2013 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 511710)
Brian -- Some of what you're seeing is that your metal is not super clean -- and that means INSIDE and out.... and when oil/grease etc gets hot - it's gets sucked into your weld puddle and will cause holes and discoloration etc.

Cool. Thanks for the tip. Definitely ignored the inside. Will research cleaning tips and techniques for inside if tubes.

RussMurco 10-21-2013 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by bdahlg68 (Post 511705)
Goal is to have this done including the shock towers before it's too cold in the garage.

I'm feeling for ya! We got our first snowflakes this morning and I just got the darn car in the garage but new radiant heaters and new lamps are on the way so I may be able to salvage some winter work out of it!

geberhard 01-27-2014 02:45 PM

Brian, how are things going? Any updates on the project?

Gui

65_LS1_T56 01-27-2014 04:40 PM

yeah, geez there are tumbleweeds in here...:mock:

bdahlg68 04-08-2014 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by 65_LS1_T56 (Post 532144)
yeah, geez there are tumbleweeds in here...:mock:

Now that (knock on wood) Winter seems to be over.... maybe I can get some work done.... oh, and maybe I can stay in the country while I'm at it! Not much progress over the winter (read: none). I did start to build a workbench to help me work faster / smarter. Hope to get that done next and clean up the garage a bit to get moving. Supposed to be nice this weekend - almost room temperature outside!

bdahlg68 05-31-2014 07:51 PM

Rear frame section is just about ready to go in. Removing the original frame rails is a more challenging task than I expected. Not much room to move around under there! Also pretty tricky trying to set the rear axle position when everything is moving! :sieg: Sneaking up on it little by little.

http://i1266.photobucket.com/albums/...psl2wbqbzo.jpg

Also picked up a set of front frame rails from Scott Mock. Easy transaction was handled quickly and quality looks good. They are just bare rails as I will need to modify them anyway.

http://i1266.photobucket.com/albums/...psnwmlmmck.jpg

streetbird 06-01-2014 07:47 AM

cant wait to see your frame rail attach to the car, it will be a challenge.
keep going

bdahlg68 04-06-2015 11:32 AM

Time to dust things off a bit.... shortly after the last update I decided to make a career change. That has certainly kept me busy but it has also been very exciting. In the little spare time I had during fall / winter, I decided to work on designing my own front subframe to accept the BMW suspension I plan on using. Well, I'm pretty happy with where it's at and I've started sourcing parts. What you're looking at isn't the final version - but it's pretty close. Hope to have some of the parts here in the next few weeks to start welding up. The downbars will eventually be triangulated near the firewall to brace the strut towers.

Always up for any input / comments / criticism.

http://i1266.photobucket.com/albums/...pslx9e9ppn.jpg

and an older version w/ an LS...

http://i1266.photobucket.com/albums/...psc8i08ldg.jpg

WSSix 04-07-2015 05:28 AM

Looks badass to me. Glad to see you making progress. Congrats on the positive career change.

bdahlg68 05-03-2015 06:15 PM

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/05...e087051090.jpg

Slowly putting the puzzle together. So far so good.

Tuske427 05-03-2015 08:36 PM

Nice CAD work! It's looking clean. what engine are you going with?

dhutton 05-04-2015 04:31 AM

Very cool. That is something you don't see every day.

Don

bdahlg68 05-04-2015 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Tuske427 (Post 604448)
Nice CAD work! It's looking clean. what engine are you going with?

Thanks! Currently planning on using an S54 out of an E46 M3. Sort of a modern take on a Firebird Sprint.

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Originally Posted by dhutton (Post 604455)
Very cool. That is something you don't see every day.

Don

Thanks Don!

65_LS1_T56 05-04-2015 11:35 AM

Looks like a production line..how many are you building?
Looks like the plasma parts worked good.

bdahlg68 05-04-2015 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by 65_LS1_T56 (Post 604496)
Looks like a production line..how many are you building?
Looks like the plasma parts worked good.

Well in theory I could build a couple more if I don't screw this one up. The plasma parts worked out awesome. They bent really easy - and right on the cut line. I just need to figure out fore/aft placement of the 6 subframe mount holes and strut tower. The rest is ready to weld together.

Tuske427 05-04-2015 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by bdahlg68 (Post 604495)
Thanks! Currently planning on using an S54 out of an E46 M3. Sort of a modern take on a Firebird Sprint.

very cool rationale. Any plans for Turbocharging it?

a couple of thoughts, hopefully they are welcomed-

- maybe remove the BMW logos on the engine and replace with Pontiac logos/ paint with Pontiac blue for an homage.
- I took the liberty of quickly photoshopping somebody's 'bird pic I pulled from the web and made a single scoop 400 hood with it- thinking of those euro/ japanese cars with an asymmetrical scoop intake. Maybe make a modified OHC 6 emblem with the BMW engine displacement on it. Or maybe don't do this, ha ha ha

bdahlg68 05-04-2015 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuske427 (Post 604503)
very cool rationale. Any plans for Turbocharging it?

a couple of thoughts, hopefully they are welcomed-

- maybe remove the BMW logos on the engine and replace with Pontiac logos/ paint with Pontiac blue for an homage.
- I took the liberty of quickly photoshopping somebody's 'bird pic I pulled from the web and made a single scoop 400 hood with it- thinking of those euro/ japanese cars with an asymmetrical scoop intake. Maybe make a modified OHC 6 emblem with the BMW engine displacement on it. Or maybe don't do this, ha ha ha

Phase 2 will likely include a supercharger. They make some nice kits that will get it over 500hp (Active Autowerke, ESS Tuning, etc). First priority is to start driving and hear this thing at 8000 rpm!

The engine block will definitely be Pontiac Blue - just need to check how much you will see. I'm not planning to show any BMW logos underhood if possible.

I have a repop 69 T/A hood that I'll be using - will definately chew on the single scoop idea. I hadn't previously thought of that. Let's see how my sheet metal skills develop between now and then! :weld:

Thanks for the input - it's always welcome as long as it doesn't involve someone telling me it's a bad idea!

bdahlg68 05-08-2015 06:38 PM

Got the front subframe welded up enough to test fit and finish the firewall clearance cuts. Fit with no issues after a couple of cuts. Now I need to mock in the front suspension and drill holes for the threaded mounts. The strut towers will require some cuts to the fenders so those will come last when I have the fenders a bit closer to final position.

So far very happy with the parts as sourced. They have all been spot on. Knock on wood.

http://i1266.photobucket.com/albums/...psvq18la2o.jpg

http://i1266.photobucket.com/albums/...psj90pwcpx.jpg

WSSix 05-10-2015 07:31 PM

Nice work, Brian. Glad to hear you're going to remove the BMW logos etc from the engine. That's a pet peeve of mine seeing words or logos that are no longer relevant to the car.

I'm really partial to the TA hood and spoiler on a 1st gen just because I think they look great. However, that single scoop Ram Air hood isn't a bad idea at all. You may even be able to put a single stripe on there like Mayhem. It could really give it a Euro look if you wanted to go that way. Keep up the good work!

Ron in SoCal 05-11-2015 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by bdahlg68 (Post 604977)
Got the front subframe welded up enough to test fit and finish the firewall clearance cuts. Fit with no issues after a couple of cuts. Now I need to mock in the front suspension and drill holes for the threaded mounts. The strut towers will require some cuts to the fenders so those will come last when I have the fenders a bit closer to final position.

So far very happy with the parts as sourced. They have all been spot on. Knock on wood.

http://i1266.photobucket.com/albums/...psvq18la2o.jpg

http://i1266.photobucket.com/albums/...psj90pwcpx.jpg

That s so impressive! Keep goin' man :cheers:

bdahlg68 05-11-2015 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron in SoCal (Post 605136)
That s so impressive! Keep goin' man :cheers:

Thanks Ron! I'm trying! I did get 4 of the 6 holes drilled for the mounts. While I think they are in the right spot so that the tires are centered in the front wheel wells this is the part that is purely an educated guess.

Ron in SoCal 05-11-2015 08:32 PM

^ just a suggestion, mock it up with (close to) final caster so it's as close as possible. :idea:

bdahlg68 05-12-2015 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron in SoCal (Post 605179)
^ just a suggestion, mock it up with (close to) final caster so it's as close as possible. :idea:

That's essentially what I've done but there are many variables. It should be close and I should have some adjustment in the body mounts worst case.

PonchoJohn 05-14-2015 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by bdahlg68 (Post 605159)
Thanks Ron! I'm trying! I did get 4 of the 6 holes drilled for the mounts. While I think they are in the right spot so that the tires are centered in the front wheel wells this is the part that is purely an educated guess.

Well, ya figure the bottom rear of the fender can only go so far rearward(it'll butt up to the rocker), so that'll get you 99% of the way there.
This is a very interesting idea you're putting together.

bdahlg68 05-14-2015 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by PonchoJohn (Post 605430)
Well, ya figure the bottom rear of the fender can only go so far rearward(it'll butt up to the rocker), so that'll get you 99% of the way there.
This is a very interesting idea you're putting together.

Thanks! Yeah that's pretty much what I did. As long as I measured caster right it should be good. Maybe I'm worried for nothing but I really want the wheel to be centered perfectly in the wheel well.

65_LS1_T56 05-15-2015 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by bdahlg68 (Post 605477)
Thanks! Yeah that's pretty much what I did. As long as I measured caster right it should be good. Maybe I'm worried for nothing but I really want the wheel to be centered perfectly in the wheel well.

I'll come over and check it with my laser eye...have some beer chilling :)

bdahlg68 05-15-2015 02:36 PM

Help is always welcome and there is always beer in the fridge here!

bdahlg68 06-29-2015 07:08 PM

Just about finished with the front suspension..... at least on the driver side. Moved the mounts rearward to try and get the wheel centered in fender. I think I'm pretty close. Some cars seem to have the wheels further rearward but looking at this shot of Mayhem I think I'm in about the same spot. Anyone think I need to go further rearward?

http://i1266.photobucket.com/albums/...pss0tajjeo.jpg

http://i1266.photobucket.com/albums/...psy1hwgblk.jpg

Nick@HPM 06-30-2015 05:22 PM

Looks great, love the ride height!!!

:underchair:

bdahlg68 07-06-2015 12:28 PM

Front suspension is in - needs some small adjustments and final welding. Hood hinges are a problem. Not much room forward of front fender attachment point.

http://i1266.photobucket.com/albums/...psn86s4h8z.jpg

WSSix 07-06-2015 08:24 PM

Forward opening hood like a vette? The C5/6 hood hinges lift up so the hood actually doesn't dip down into the area in front of the radiator that much. At least not compared to how a C2/3 vetter did. Looks good Brian.

hersheys69z 07-06-2015 09:42 PM

Glad to see someone attempting strut suspension

65_LS1_T56 07-07-2015 02:26 AM

Just put a tilt front end on it :)


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