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toddshotrods 07-12-2010 06:23 AM

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toddshotrods 07-12-2010 06:37 AM

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DOOM 07-12-2010 06:38 AM

Can I ask ........ What is the criteria for SMOY:question: I'm VERY interested to hear what it is... Not that I have a snowball's chance in h$ll of even thinking I could even come close to some of these builds!. I'm just another smuck building "ANOTHER 69 CAMARO''. I wanted to vent a little but whats the point. Until I understand the criteria I will say nothing

camcojb 07-12-2010 06:39 AM

I sure appreciate the pics Todd.................... :thumbsup:

Jody

cdushane 07-12-2010 06:46 AM

Awesome pictures, thanks for posting!! :thumbsup:

toddshotrods 07-12-2010 06:48 AM

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I'm all out. Hope you enjoyed the show in pics as much as I did in person. It was a really nice weekend. The icing on the cake was getting to see the Cuda - star of the show in my book. The JHR 32 is very stealthy. I was sitting on a bench watching people, looking at my pics, and surfing the 'net, when I happened to notice Alan walk up and open the trunk on a little black roadster! Then, I realized what roadster it was! Really nice car, really nice.

I'm very impressed with his work, having seen the Duecenburg last year, then these two this year. Beside still being fresh, another thing that really stood out to me was the workmanship in the Cuda. It's holding up very well. I have seen higher budget cars, from well-known builders, that showed their age down the road. JHR's $h!t looks good then and now.

No need for a real disclaimer but: Even though I have been hyping JHR and that Cuda all weekend, I have no formal connection, other than a series of internet and face-to-face conversations with Bob. He's been a major influence in my life/career, but my opinion of those cars and that shop are based on what's tangible.

nvr2fst 07-12-2010 07:11 AM

We all know every year theres a discussion on politics, who should have one, who knows who etc. Its just the nature of the game. I sure wish there was a SMOY/SROY peoples choice award. The picks would be more justified. However the judges IMO weren't too far off. Tucci's Nomad by all means should have been in the top 5, but I heard something that he couldn't get it out of the trailer in time. Well if you remember the past, Rad Rides also was late to the track and they still let the one of there cars go into the top 5. I thought the Roaster Shop 33 SR was a masterpiece and IMO was my top pick for SROY. The Scar camaro after seeing it in person was just too much for me although I appreciate the work that went into it. I would have let the Afterburner and the Roadster shop Challenger go at it for the top pick. But at the end of the day the 2 top cars there are the G force Cuda and the Roadster shop Vette which will both hold there own for years to come.

Also Congrats to Marty, truck turned out killer and it was great hanging with you through the weekend. And to one of our other members for also taking a subcategory award, Congrats Kenny Davis with his dad's Nomad, bitchin ride.

Roger M 07-12-2010 07:16 AM

Thanks for some really great pictures. :thumbsup:

tones2SS 07-12-2010 07:20 AM

WOW!!! I am in complete awe of these cars!! Amazing. :wow: :bow: I have to make it to one of those Goodguy's show at least once!!:yes:
(To all who have been posting pics, THANKS!:cheers: )

Hdesign 07-12-2010 07:53 AM

I think I'm in love, any more info on this build? Looks like one of Jason's renderings (maybe) under the rear end? That is exactly what I was going to do with my Z spoiler on the Camaro.

toddshotrods 07-12-2010 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by camcojb (Post 295705)
I sure appreciate the pics Todd.................... :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by cdushane (Post 295706)
Awesome pictures, thanks for posting!! :thumbsup:
Jody

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Thanks for some really great pictures. :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by tones2SS (Post 295714)
...(To all who have been posting pics, THANKS!:cheers: )

:thumbsup: Now, I'm waiting to see more from others, who actually went outside the awards and manufacturers' areas. I tried to again this year, but these cars are like magnets to me and I can't escape their pull. :hail:

ironworks 07-12-2010 07:56 AM

I was there this weekend at the show and saw a great number of cars in the Street Rod class. I thought the Street Machine class was down on the number of quality cars and the overall quantity of cars present. There were some nice cars just not as many nice cars as usual.

I had a great time hangin with friends from all over the country and meeting new friends. That is what these shows should be about. Build the cars for the cars, if you want a trophy, save yourself alot of money and go buy a really nice trophy.

Rodger

ironworks 07-12-2010 07:58 AM

I know alot of guys who thought this was really cool. Rambler convertible with a laid back windshield and a 440 chrysler engine. This car was cool just like it is.
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toddshotrods 07-12-2010 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by ironworks (Post 295729)
I know alot of guys who thought this was really cool. Rambler convertible with a laid back windshield and a 440 chrysler engine. This car was cool just like it is...

Definitely. He passed by me and turned the corner before I could get my camera out! I love it! :yes:

I had intended to try and find you to shake your hand and say hey, but forgot that you weren't going to have a vendor spot. You said something like you can't miss me, but I didn't know what to look for - lol!

Streetwerkz 07-12-2010 08:25 AM

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the black wagon is a client, we matched all the trim and tail gate to his paint job, turned out nice.

I have more pics, but they would be duplicates of what Todd has posted

ironworks 07-12-2010 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by toddshotrods (Post 295730)
Definitely. He passed by me and turned the corner before I could get my camera out! I love it! :yes:

I had intended to try and find you to shake your hand and say hey, but forgot that you weren't going to have a vendor spot. You said something like you can't miss me, but I didn't know what to look for - lol!

Funny you should say that I'm in a few pics with Kenny through out this thread. It's like where's waldo.
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toddshotrods 07-12-2010 09:16 AM

Lol, I was right there when he was looking at Poteet's 300-series! I was going to say hi to him then but he had half his body inside the engine compartment, lol! I figured I'd try to catch him later, but didn't remember seeing him again. He was saying something about wanting a pulley or pump like that car had. Is that you in the baseball cap?

Funny that you guys were right in front of me at the ceremony!

Just a heads-up. If I ever meet any of you guys and then act like I don't know you next time I see you - I'm horrible with names and faces. I can meet someone and not know their name ten minutes later, or not recognize them. It takes me a few times. If you have a sweet vehicle, I'll probably remember it in great detail though. :D

ironworks 07-12-2010 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by toddshotrods (Post 295745)
Lol, I was right there when he was looking at Poteet's 300-series! I was going to say hi to him then but he had half his body inside the engine compartment, lol! I figured I'd try to catch him later, but didn't remember seeing him again. He was saying something about wanting a pulley or pump like that car had. Is that you in the baseball cap?

Funny that you guys were right in front of me at the ceremony!

Just a heads-up. If I ever meet any of you guys and then act like I don't know you next time I see you - I'm horrible with names and faces. I can meet someone and not know their name ten minutes later, or not recognize them. It takes me a few times. If you have a sweet vehicle, I'll probably remember it in great detail though. :D

Half his body? I'm sure that is an totally accurate. The springs would not be able to handle that. But we were discussing a water pump that has an internal alternator to clean up an engine compartment.

Ya that is me in the ball cap.

toddshotrods 07-12-2010 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Streetwerkz (Post 295734)
the black wagon is a client, we matched all the trim and tail gate to his paint job, turned out nice...

Speaking of that, I also meant to find out when you were going but got distracted before the weekend and forgot to post here beforehand. Is your shop open normal business hours through the week? I'd love to pop in and say hey.

I meant to try and bump into CamaroAJ at the show too, but same story...

All us Central Ohio guys should do lunch or dinner or something one day.

ccracin 07-12-2010 09:29 AM

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I think I'm in love, any more info on this build? Looks like one of Jason's renderings (maybe) under the rear end? That is exactly what I was going to do with my Z spoiler on the Camaro.

Ben,

I am with you here! That thing was Bitchin. I tried to talk to the guy, but he was always engaged. I know why! If you dig anything up, let me know. Loved it!

ProdigyCustoms 07-12-2010 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ironworks (Post 295727)

I had a great time hangin with friends from all over the country and meeting new friends. That is what these shows should be about. Build the cars for the cars, if you want a trophy, save yourself alot of money and go buy a really nice trophy.

Rodger

Agreed, I have thrown away boxes of trophys. I get tired of trying to keep them clean!

I guess I comfortable enough with my position in the universe and do not need a trophy for reassurance.

Actaully the only judging I like at all is 3 to 5 judges and 1000 point score sheets you recieve back to see what they took points for. Putting 3 to 5 judges on a car that don't talk to one another HELPS remove politics. Pointing at a car from a golf cart and calling it a winner.................not for me.

ironworks 07-12-2010 09:45 AM

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I guess I comfortable enough with my position in the universe and do not need a trophy for reassurance.

Actually that is what a big lifted truck is for. :D

fesler 07-12-2010 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ProdigyCustoms (Post 295753)
Agreed, I have thrown away boxes of trophys. I get tired of trying to keep them clean!

I guess I comfortable enough with my position in the universe and do not need a trophy for reassurance.

Actaully the only judging I like at all is 3 to 5 judges and 1000 point score sheets you recieve back to see what they took points for. Putting 3 to 5 judges on a car that don't talk to one another HELPS remove politics. Pointing at a car from a golf cart and calling it a winner.................not for me.

I could not agree with you two more. Things in this industry need to change and change fast or there is no point in bringing cars to shows. We can all just go to hang out and BS. This is the problem with Goodguys and the way they pick things, every year we have gone the top cars are not always picked. There is no point in building a car over a few years to take to a show and have a guy in a golf cart pass you by. Cars with bad gabs, stock style suspensions and mild interiors should not be up for the SMOTY but what do we know as builders. These cars always seem to make the top 5 and the same builders seem to make the top 5 every year. I guess the saying goes it’s not what you know but who you know and until they change that no point in even bringing cars out. Every year it gets worse and soon people won’t want to attend because it’s all politics and we get enough of that in the news every day don’t we? Goodguys is more of the buddy system so if you are buddies with them they will find a place for your car to be in the top 5 and get you right up front at every show you do. How about we get back to the good o days when the guy who builds the best car wins. The Detroit Auto Rama is the same way now not even worth taking a car to the show if you went this year you know what I am talking about. Half the cars there should not have been contenders.

There has been post after post here about the bad gaps in the DSE car how did they make the top 5 again? and again? I think they should pic 10 top builders and let them pick with out talking to one another. The one with the most votes wins.

toddshotrods 07-12-2010 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ironworks (Post 295747)
Half his body? I'm sure that is an totally accurate. The springs would not be able to handle that. But we were discussing a water pump that has an internal alternator to clean up an engine compartment.

Ya that is me in the ball cap.

ROFL! Too funny! I remember those alternators. They put out like 30-50 amps or something. Really neat. I didn't listen to the whole conversation, I just saw when he pointed and was curious about what he saw.

I really wish I would have said something now. I wanted to talk palm trees and hot rods. I've only made it 200 miles west so far, but Cali is the "End Point" on my map.

SLO 65 07-12-2010 10:00 AM

Does that SROY Ford even have head or taillights? Those seem like they might be important for a car.

Nick

toddshotrods 07-12-2010 10:13 AM

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Does that SROY Ford even have head or taillights? Those seem like they might be important for a car.

Nick

They're hide-aways, like an older Vette. One of the pics I posted shows it. It's what the whole pic is about - just a shot of the fender/grille area with a small disc-shaped door (headlights). I have a couple shots of the back from ground level, but the hidden tail lights aren't obvious.

96z28ss 07-12-2010 10:13 AM

Its got headlight. they pop out of the front fenders.
I canot see or find where the taillights are!

Streetwerkz 07-12-2010 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by toddshotrods (Post 295749)
Speaking of that, I also meant to find out when you were going but got distracted before the weekend and forgot to post here beforehand. Is your shop open normal business hours through the week? I'd love to pop in and say hey.

I meant to try and bump into CamaroAJ at the show too, but same story...

All us Central Ohio guys should do lunch or dinner or something one day.

Stop by any time, M-F 9am-5pm
for an extended b.s. session email me and see when I'll be in the shop after hours

Smittys67 07-12-2010 10:44 AM

The judging of the cars was done inside the building this year because of the rain. I was amazed at he street rods this year. George Poteet's truck that Troy built was not in the top 5 so its not about your name or who built it its about what they like. I was happy just to be in the top 5. And once again the cars just get better and better. Congrats to Roger the scar was awsome and Jerrys street rod was amazing!

DOOM 07-12-2010 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by fesler (Post 295759)
I could not agree with you two more. Things in this industry need to change and change fast or there is no point in bringing cars to shows. We can all just go to hang out and BS. This is the problem with Goodguys and the way they pick things, every year we have gone the top cars are not always picked. There is no point in building a car over a few years to take to a show and have a guy in a golf cart pass you by. Cars with bad gabs, stock style suspensions and mild interiors should not be up for the SMOTY but what do we know as builders. These cars always seem to make the top 5 and the same builders seem to make the top 5 every year. I guess the saying goes it’s not what you know but who you know and until they change that no point in even bringing cars out. Every year it gets worse and soon people won’t want to attend because it’s all politics and we get enough of that in the news every day don’t we? Goodguys is more of the buddy system so if you are buddies with them they will find a place for your car to be in the top 5 and get you right up front at every show you do. How about we get back to the good o days when the guy who builds the best car wins. The Detroit Auto Rama is the same way now not even worth taking a car to the show if you went this year you know what I am talking about. Half the cars there should not have been contenders.

There has been post after post here about the bad gaps in the DSE car how did they make the top 5 again? and again? I think they should pic 10 top builders and let them pick with out talking to one another. The one with the most votes wins.

I agree!! Great points!!! Never been to Columbus,may never go who knows. All these cars are great no question. But how is a car like Afterburner in the same class as Mannings Camaro!! I think DSE is tops at what they do and the Manning Camaro is stunning .. But it's not even close to Afterburner as far as custom fabrication goes. So I ask again whats the criteria???

MarkM66 07-12-2010 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Smittys67 (Post 295772)
The judging of the cars was done inside the building this year because of the rain. I was amazed at he street rods this year. George Poteet's truck that Troy built was not in the top 5 so its not about your name or who built it its about what they like. I was happy just to be in the top 5. And once again the cars just get better and better. Congrats to Roger the scar was awsome and Jerrys street rod was amazing!

Since it's a truck, it would qualify for Truck of the Year.

Maybe it got a pick for that.

JayR 07-12-2010 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Hdesign (Post 295724)
I think I'm in love, any more info on this build? Looks like one of Jason's renderings (maybe) under the rear end? That is exactly what I was going to do with my Z spoiler on the Camaro.

Thanks for noticing, Ben. That's my client, Bob Bertelsen's insane home built Firebird. The only thing Bob didn't do was build the MAST motor and the Bowler trans and stitch the interior. Otherwise, all built at home in under 18 months! Pontiac guys might have noticed the vents look just a little different and it's because I designed them to be smaller and more subtle and reveal actual vents and Bob fabbed them out of sheetmetal per the design along with the hood extractors in fiberglass, metal spoiler, front valance, taillights, license plate relocation, bumper mods and a bunch of other subtle stuff. He missed the Top 5 but got a shoot for PHR on Saturday night so that was a nice silver lining to his weekend.

toddshotrods 07-12-2010 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by DOOM (Post 295774)
...So I ask again whats the criteria???

It's been stated already - who you are and who you know! :D Bringing a killer car seals the deal.

I'm just kidding. :P There may be some truth in that, but leaving that statement like it is takes away from the accomplishments of the builders. If you can't build a half-decent car, I doubt your connections will get you a pick, let alone a trophy. We're really debating the fine details here. Almost all those cars are works of art, it's just a matter of what level of art should be eligible to compete for the big prize.

As for the issue of building for trophies, I see it as the same as racing. It's just another form of competition. If the rules are fair, it takes a serious athlete to even be in contention. I just love competition whether it's on a track or a stage.

toddshotrods 07-12-2010 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by MarkM66 (Post 295776)
Since it's a truck, it would qualify for Truck of the Year.

Maybe it got a pick for that.

Didn't that little burgundy roadster pickup win SROY a few years back? It was also in the Great-8, but I think Foose was there that year. (Notice I didn't say Foose won that year ;) )

Ron in SoCal 07-12-2010 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by JayR (Post 295777)
Thanks for noticing, Ben. That's my client, Bob Bertelsen's insane home built Firebird. The only thing Bob didn't do was build the MAST motor and the Bowler trans and stitch the interior. Otherwise, all built at home in under 18 months! Pontiac guys might have noticed the vents look just a little different and it's because I designed them to be smaller and more subtle and reveal actual vents and Bob fabbed them out of sheetmetal per the design along with the hood extractors in fiberglass, metal spoiler, front valance, taillights, license plate relocation, bumper mods and a bunch of other subtle stuff. He missed the Top 5 but got a shoot for PHR on Saturday night so that was a nice silver lining to his weekend.

Jay - that car is sick! All your design touches and his execution really flow together well. Tell Bob he oughta hang out here more often! :thumbsup:

Stuart Adams 07-12-2010 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by fesler (Post 295759)
I could not agree with you two more. Things in this industry need to change and change fast or there is no point in bringing cars to shows. We can all just go to hang out and BS. This is the problem with Goodguys and the way they pick things, every year we have gone the top cars are not always picked. There is no point in building a car over a few years to take to a show and have a guy in a golf cart pass you by. Cars with bad gabs, stock style suspensions and mild interiors should not be up for the SMOTY but what do we know as builders. These cars always seem to make the top 5 and the same builders seem to make the top 5 every year. I guess the saying goes it’s not what you know but who you know and until they change that no point in even bringing cars out. Every year it gets worse and soon people won’t want to attend because it’s all politics and we get enough of that in the news every day don’t we? Goodguys is more of the buddy system so if you are buddies with them they will find a place for your car to be in the top 5 and get you right up front at every show you do. How about we get back to the good o days when the guy who builds the best car wins. The Detroit Auto Rama is the same way now not even worth taking a car to the show if you went this year you know what I am talking about. Half the cars there should not have been contenders.

There has been post after post here about the bad gaps in the DSE car how did they make the top 5 again? and again? I think they should pic 10 top builders and let them pick with out talking to one another. The one with the most votes wins.

I think Goodguys does a fine job. Everybody has an opinion on what they like. Some you win and some you loose. It doesn't look good on your part to be bashing Goodguys and other builders.

IMO, Mannings car is awesome, as were alot of other cars there. I believe the person talking about the gaps on Mannings car was referring to a different car by mistake.

Congrats to all and as Rodger sais, its about the people.

CamaroAJ 07-12-2010 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Stuart Adams (Post 295786)
IMO, Mannings car is awesome, as were alot of other cars there. I believe the person talking about the gaps on Mannings car was referring to a different car by mistake.

no mistake was made. both of the gray 69's had gap issues. maybe they didn't when you saw it and the car has settled some and the gaps changed.

toddshotrods 07-12-2010 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by CamaroAJ (Post 295788)
no mistake was made. both of the gray 69's had gap issues. maybe they didn't when you saw it and the car has settled some and the gaps changed.

Are you talking about the slightly wider gap at the top of the door/front fender? It's more evident in one of the other posters' pics here, but you can see it a little in mine. I don't have many pics of this car, so I don't have a better angle or any of the other side.
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