Total weight savings will be 40 lbs. That will make up for the 35 lbs added from the Fays 2 watts link.

That's pretty cool. Like adding 4-7hp. :thumbsup:

Didn't even think about that, thanks for reminding me :thumbsup:

Next step will be to pull the battery from the trunk and place it behind the passenger seat. Them Optima's aren't light.

Cheater

How the hell did I miss this thread....


Just got to figure out a way to hi-jack it now. :woot:

No worries Todd, you can always pull the race car card :lol:

No worries Greg, we have plenty of support in that department. :cheers:

It is easy to miss thiss thread because it's just ANOTHER 69 CAMARO.:lol: Their on 16 inch center's over here.You've seen one you've,seen them all.:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Just funnin.!!!! Gaetano.

Oh I see, just because you've moved on to 2nd gen's you think your better than us :rofl: :cheers:

That and a killer Pantera I've heard about.... :_paranoid

Mock's holding out? :mad:

It's in a thread on that "other" forum. :_paranoid

That's about the size of it.:lol: Brian Finch,Klye Tucker,Brian Hobaugh,and myself have stepped outside the box and moved on to better thing's.We are working on Mark Stielow to come over to the dark side.!!!:lol:

You guys weren't very convincing. In case you haven't noticed he is currently building a '67. :rofl:

:thumbsup: :lol:

He's just trying to prove a point.:rofl: :rofl:

that reminds me, We started mocking up your engine today Gae...should be done by your birthday.

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-...30208629_n.jpg

That project may have got voted down.:willy: :willy:

It needs a little more billet.....

Hey, that looks pretty cool Vince. Looks like you guys have been busy. Can you post pics of the mounts and firewall area.

Any pics of the Pantera?

Billet and some.......

not until the frame goes on the table.

So, just a little insite on what Vince is talking about. The roll center on the stock subframes on first gen Camaro's is 2" below ground. Optimum would be 2" above ground. Vince is going to model a subframe with correct geometry on his computer software and we will rebuild accordingly. After Buttonwillow this year we will be modifying my front stock subframe. We will be modifying the attachment points of the control arms, going to a coil over shock, work on recessing an adjustable front sway bar into the underside of the subframe, and then possibly recessing the modified stock subframe into the car approximately 2".

In the mean time...After my last Thunderhill track day in April I changed my front alignment settings and raised my rear roll center by raising the watts pivot. I couldn't wait till July 1st for my next track day so I will be heading back to Thunderhill on May 19th. Target lap times to be in the 2:04's which means I will need to shave at least 2.5 seconds off of a best 2:07.4 last time out.

Oh, and the LS Vince posted, dont believe it. :lol:

The pantera owner was having trouble getting the title right.So I think Albert passed on the car.:_paranoid

I wonder... that sounds like a fair amount of work and modification to a stock sub... is it worth it (financially speaking)? I assume the various nice aftermarket subs out there have all this incorporated in, yes?

Man that sucks! I was really excited to see what you did with that Scott. :mad:

Costs will be far less than picking up an after market subframe. The only material items we will need are a bit of steel, a set of double adjustable coil over shocks, and a big maybe on a Chicane kit. I dont see costs going over $1500 and thats including the chicane kit. In addition, time will be on our side as I dont intend on signing up for any events between October and Aptil so Vince will be able to plug in as time allows. I dont think relocating attachment points for the control arms would take more than two days as long as we can keep our noses to the grind stone. lowers will be the easiest as all we will have to do is drill holes and relocate. Uppers will take a little more time as we will have to cut existing attachment point of arm, measure and cut correctly, and then reweld. Shocks will need to be installed at correct operational height and the shock mount tower can be custom or we may do a chicane kit depending on the length of shock dictated in the chicane system. 650 lb coil over springs can be had in a 10" but 700 lb jumps to 12" and I want the 12" option available if needed. My guess is another day on the shock tower assembly.

There is alot of time between now and October and things could change but for now this is the plan.

It's kinda good thing,Albert wanted a complete tube chassis,& the car completed for SEMA.I'm a getting old and don't think I am up to that task.:willy: :willy: :willy:

Hyperco makes 10 inch springs up to 900lbs (which is a little less than I run). Let us know what you come up with, Im curious what you can do.

In a 2 5/8" I.D. coil over? Thats what I'll need for the Afco coil overs. I'll have to look them up.

Hyperco does carry coil over springs in 10" up to 900 lbs but they are 2 1/2" I.D. I imagine 1/8" shouldn't be a big deal. Thanks for letting me know.

Oh really? ;)

:cheers:

:lol: Yes Jon, I know you've already done this so I will most likely be in touch with you for info when the time comes. :cheers:

Ever heard of the Gulstrand mod??

Just saying'


:cheers:

That will definitely be a piece of the puzzle Greg, at least for the upper arms, but I've heard that the lower arms get raised upward 3/4" and outward 3/4". I'd like to see this all drawn up and explained to me. In addition I think that this will be a pretty cool little educational project during the off season..

you should not be required to run a high spring rate after all the chassic stiffening we are planning.

Gaetano,

I'm assuming you've read this?
http://www.pozziracing.com/first_gen...e.htm#Geometry

Sounds like an awesome plan! :bow: And that lexan + decklid are going to be sweet...but I thought it's to offset the weight of a subwoofer?

Thanks Sieg, I've scrolled over Dave's stuff quite a few times. I'm pretty sure we will be doing the Guldstrand mod but who knows what else Vince has up his sleeve. 7 months is a lot of time to get ourselves into trouble. :unibrow:

Thanks Steven. The cool thing is that I will be putting it to the test so we will know for sure what kind of benefeits these changes will make by comparing to this years lap times. :thumbsup:

Figured you had that bible, just making sure. I'm watching this very closely as I'm leaning towards a stock subframe, aftermarket arms, coil-overs, and splined bar also. :thumbsup:

Off season? There is no off season in CALIFORNIA. :lol: