Cris you just keep knockin it outta the park dude. Wow. :thumbsup:

Nice work!

Amazing work. As always!!! :cheers:

Man thats cool

Chris
 

That is just spectacular! The best widebody treatment on the rear of a 69 that I have ever seen. Love the rear bumper and tail...very 70ish Cuda looking bumper treatment. I can only imagine the hours in the back half of that car.

Awesome
 

I will pile on to the praise, awesome, nasty looking but with beautiful smooth lines that flow naturally. Hard to do!! Great work:hail:

Did you start the widening of the front yet Cris? The rear looks stellar!! I have never seen this done on a Camaro..:wow: I guess I'll be stealing more Ideas.. Thank god you guys come up with these ideas I would be lost.:D

Very Nice !!!!

Another Bad-ass build from team Gonzo!

That dead on low shot kinda reminds me of a certain Mopar sitting in your shop ....:D :thumbsup:

Looks great.....

^^What Jay said here. That is awesome!

Very nice work Cris,
But I will say the bumper treatment looks very familiar to a 69 at Ironworks

Very bad azz '69. Can't wait to see the finished product.

Did you mean similar or familar? Because to me it looks similar or almost the same.
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...ust2011017.jpg

http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/...n/IMG_2327.jpg

I guess the chassis table and the roll up door are different. :D :D :D

Looks great!!

Rodger/Dave- When I first started working the rear section of the car I was looking @ Ned’s Cuda with 2nd Gen Camaro… but somewhere along the line we ended up with what we have right now… I will admit that it does have similar appearance to what you have.. bumper wise! Our 69 has its own unique style to it & will be its own when completed..

Rodger- Thanks for posting a comparison picture.. When Brycen came & interviewed to work for JCG we had a discussion about the difference on the rear sections of both cars.. Sorry to hear that he will not be completing what he started on Dave’s 69..

So then you already knew about the "similarity" way before today. I'm interested to see the spoiler that goes on next.

As far as Brycen being around to finish some of the work he has done on Dave's car, it is a bummer to lose a guy with talent, But if you think losing him is going to change one speck of dust on any project in my shop your sorely mistaken. There is plenty of other talent in my shop, there has to be to turn out the quantity and the quality of the work we do on a daily basis. This shop is not a one spoke wheel. Brycen had been here for 7 years and I'm bummed to lose him but the show must and will go on. And from my perspective if he is living in your neighborhood you would be crazy not to hire him for his talent, But it takes the customers to pay for the kind of quality my guys are used to putting out on a daily basis to make it work.

Cris

I havent been on much due to my health with recent cancer and personal issues. But I was frustrated seeing this post/pictures of the rear end. If Im not mistaken Neds cuda came to you after the 69 and the idea clearly came from Rodgers photos of my build IMO. Otherwise why would the issue even of been discussed with Brycen if you didnt think it mimiced my 69. Thus my reasoning for not posting build pictures of unigue ideas on my car lately. Either way, wherever you got your inspiration from (which we all get it from somewhere) the rear bumper idea sure looks like an exact duplicate and Ill just leave it at that. As I said before it does look great thats why I decided to do this on my car. We cant stop individuals from copying ideas but they should at least give credit where credit is due. Good luck, and I look forward to viewing your finished product once my in/out hospital days are done with.

Dave

Nice Work!!!!!!!
 

All I can say is that the owner from Kuwait has very deep pockets and he will have a bad ass 69! This 69 should stay in the USA (too nice to ship):mad: , BUT I guess it will leave the country when done.

Similar but I can see that it's going to be a distinctly different finished product.

Dave, with all due respect, I can respect and understand you frustration. But, since I work in the health field, can I ask you to do one favor. Get well first sir. Concentrate on your health and your well being. It's only a car. I pray you do get well and are able to enjoy the car. By the way, that is one sexy rear end and I do love the bumper mod myself.

???? Really?

Rodger- Of course I knew about the “SIMILARITY” about the rear bumper… but I am done with it & have moved on to the next phase of the project.. In the end your whole rear section of the car will be different than what I did.. We built the whole rear section with the POS equipment we have.. Nothing special.. I don’t have a Pullmax with special dies to fabricate.. You have been to my shop.. nothing special around here… I have never been to your shop but know that you have the best equipment $$ can buy.. As for the rear spoiler.. You have given me your opinions on my spoilers.. You don’t like them! But my customers do.. & they are the ones paying the bill.. & if a customer likes a rear bumper that they saw on the forum & wants me to do it.. I will do it.. of course with my spin to it..

Bottom line is if you don’t want other shops or people to duplicate your work… Don’t post any pics till the car is done!

As for Brycen not working @ Ironworks anymore.. The kid has talent & would have been great if he came to work for JCG but it did not work to our benefit for both of us… One thing life has taught me is .. you never put all your eggs in one basket.. I am sure you have other guys in your shop that are capable of doing fab to the Ironworks level..





Dave- I have been aware of your health issues for some time now.. I hope to see that you recover here pretty soon.. Your 69 is one of my favorite builds on the forum & hope to see it completed..

Brycen saw what I was doing but did not express or give any information on how the rear bumper was done… We just discussed on how complex & how much work it takes to do a rear section to this level..

I will admit that the idea came from what Ironworks did on your 69 Camaro.. but understand that I work from the direction on what a customer wants to see in their build.. In the 2 years that I have been on this forum I have seen guys duplicate some of the things that JCG has done.. but I am well aware that when I post a pic of something.. that it can duplicated…

Thanks Cris for being honest on where the "idea" inspiration came from.

You build what a customer asks for and if they see a car or certain details that they want incorporated into there build, understood. Im just going to have to send down some bigger tarps to hide the car:thumbsup:

Chris, do it...do it!! I'd like to see that green 69 come to fruition.

Really Dave!:D Because if I was paying attention I would of had Troy duplicate the same thing on my car!! Matter of fact I still have time.. I will tell you this, if it wasn't for the fab shops like JCG, IRONWORKS,ROADSTER SHOP, etc I would be lost. I hammer fenders for a living I have no ''vision'' these guys help me with that. I thank these guys and alot of others who help me steal there ideas. Whats cool is I can call Cris and Rodger anytime and they are more than happy to tell me howI can go about making there ideas work. Pretty cool!! Both of these guys have been nothing but good to me and at the end of the day they are competitors who have the same passion ! I think a little shout out to the person you got the idea from would go a long way no matter how small or big.:cheers: :lateral:

FETorino will love it. Roof line looks just like one.

My cuda arrived at JCG in mid Dec....

My bumper and tail section was done 2 years ago and it looks very similar.... Never saw any of these previous pix.... I mirrored mine similar to Sick Fish

As with any aspect of car modification.... There are so only so many different ways you can modify the rear bumper on a 1st gen and have it look cool. Even if you never see pix of other cars, it's inherent that there will be design and mods that will come out similar

So let me get this right.... you're saying similar to a statement like "Jon Hensen is a good guy.... he just stole my money is all".


:rofl: :woot:

Actually Greg
 

I have a 69 Vette and my 69 Torino.

I'm concerned Larry Shinoda and Zora Arkus-Duntov will be pissed about you stealing his gills from the C3 and Ford licensing dept. may come after you for "Ford's newest bright idea" "sportsroof".

Can you do a rendering with Itros maybe that will bring it together.

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...jadetorino.jpg

theres a render in a camaro performer that has a 69 yenko wagon that looks awesome!

Chris, here you go to get started on making that green 69 rendering come to life. Hell of a deal on the price too.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1968-1969-Fo...80348a&vxp=mtr

Wow. Some pretty heavy underlying conversations going on here. That is a shame.

I think Ned really hit it, dozens of shops putting their spin on one single year and make, add in what is currently trendy, theres bound to be some similarities. Stand on the quality of what you are doing and let the rest sort its self out.


Jeff-

Speaking of a certain 'Cuda with a nice tail, where are the updates?!?

Tim- Ned has been real patient with all I got going on here @ the shop.. We will be wrapping up all the things he has on our list of things to do.. So he can get it home & get some work done himself.. BTW dig all the work you did on rear section of Ned's Cuda..

I wish I could do this to a Camaro.. But have not found anybody for me to do this to their car...

Why is it a shame to understand that the craftsmanship is what counts? Everyone better go back and look at all the concept cars produced over the years and realize half the time the original designs are really what most people are building.

Keeping costs down in a production environment along with DOT regs is what births the actual design of cars sold.

If you do come up with something truly original then remember.

"imitation is the sincerest form of flattery"

"Don't worry about people stealing an idea. If it's original, you will have to ram it down their throats."


It's hard to believe someone wont jump on this chance to improve the look of their Camaro.

Love that car dude. Looks killer! :thumbsup:

Oh Greg....always got to find some way to jab at me...twist my words...

Your analogy to Jon couldnt be farther from my point....my point is that there are only so many way to re-style that section of a 1st gen....and alot of them are going to be similar.... good design and style are going to have slightly different tweaks, but are often similar from builder to builder... the design and style just works....try to be 1000% original and it often sticks out like a sore thumb because the design just doesnt work...

Wheel designs are the perfect example.....

TJ..wish I had more updates, but I dont.....

Only way to improve the looks of a '69 Camaro is to put some Intros on a Torino...

Finally somebody states the obvious.