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let's stop the personal shots so I don't have to edit the entire thread. ;)

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Originally Posted by JustinB (Post 406492)

I hope I am not over stepping my boundaries here but I want to try and clear some things I have seen up close and personal over the last few months. Yes I worked at Driverz and left the company end of November. It was just not working out. That being said, there is absolutely nothing I can do to help get people any money back. Wish I could and I do feel bad for people who are currently involved.

Jon is not Travis and Travis is not Jon. That is complete non-sense. All I know is Travis was committed to buying to Driverz Inc earlier in the year, came into the office, posted he was the owner, become the owner, then decided he wanted out after a lot of money was committed to the cause. Jon made some bad business decisions and is paying the cost for putting his trust into people who turned out to not be trust worthy. Unfortunately, customers who had money spent with the company are also having to deal with the fall out. Driverz Inc is no more and in its wake Jon stands to lose everything from his personal car to his house. I know he was doing everything he could to fill orders but literally bled the well dry. I am not even sure Jon can post anything due to lawyers being involved. It a freakin mess. I am not making excuses just posting what I know.

If you have an order in, charge it back. Pretty cut and dry. Charge it back.

Justin , thanx for chiming in here,, no one will blame you for what has happended but i dont think any of us feel sorry for jon,, his house, his car ,he should do some time in my eyes.. its very personel for me as he lied continuosly to myself on more than one occasion.. so will you reveal to me where driverz ordered there rims for AR from? wheelpros or AR direct? i need to know to see if they were 'built' ?

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Originally Posted by JustinB (Post 406492)

Justin and Jon are good buddies. If this doesn't seal the deal, I don't know what to tell you.

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Originally Posted by usa-69z (Post 406535)

You are chasing a ghost.

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Originally Posted by camcojb (Post 406523)

let's stop the personal shots so I don't have to edit the entire thread. ;)

No need for additional work on my part. I deleted it.

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Originally Posted by FETorino (Post 406552)

No need for additional work on my part. I deleted it.

FET,
I refuse to believe that we haven't crossed paths at an event before. We seriously need to hang out. Next time I'm in your neck of the woods we need to get a drink.

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Originally Posted by rrunner68 (Post 406555)

FET,
I refuse to believe that we haven't crossed paths at an event before. We seriously need to hang out. Next time I'm in your neck of the woods we need to get a drink.

Dan the man...:cheers:

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Originally Posted by Vegas69 (Post 406541)

Justin and Jon are good buddies. If this doesn't seal the deal, I don't know what to tell you.

Todd , im well aware of this , just hoping Justin can let me know who they order from? driverz and Jon are toast ,, deal is sealed ..

it shouldnt be a secret??

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Originally Posted by rrunner68 (Post 406555)

FET,
I refuse to believe that we haven't crossed paths at an event before. We seriously need to hang out. Next time I'm in your neck of the woods we need to get a drink.

Sounds more productive than this thread. :cheers:

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Originally Posted by usa-69z (Post 406559)

Todd , im well aware of this , just hoping Justin can let me know who they order from? driverz and Jon are toast ,, deal is sealed ..

it shouldnt be a secret??

My point was the order likely wasn't placed. Sorry man. :(

I like how the answer is just "do a chargeback"

Uhh no how about fraud and grand theft = felony

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Originally Posted by John510 (Post 406588)

I like how the answer is just "do a chargeback"

Uhh no how about fraud and grand theft = felony

Hard to prove "intent". Even though many here would most likely vote to convict!

The problem is getting blood out of a turnip... and the litigation costs (unless the DA was to press - which they wouldn't).

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Originally Posted by John510 (Post 406588)

I like how the answer is just "do a chargeback"

Uhh no how about fraud and grand theft = felony

Do you have an order in with Driverz or are you one the many on here jumping in just to pile on? I check out once the token I am driving out myself to "collect" even though I am not one of the customers to get burned guy chimes in. You guys can threaten law suits, felonies, and BS wannabe tough guy threats all you want, it means nothing. If you are involved and have not charged back your card yet, your a knucklehead.

Wow...just wow! :wow:

I have no vested interest in this sordid affair at all -- and probably shouldn't even comment -- except for the fact that as a "businessman" it's of interest.

It's a pretty well known fact that Driverz Inc was having some "issues" with timely delivery etc well before the announced sale....

It was then announced that there was, in fact, a sale of the business.

It was then acknowledged by the new "owner" that, in fact, there was new ownership, and that everything was going to change for the better.

Now we're at the point of missing funds - missing goods - and "the owners" are missing.

Perhaps sites like this need to introduce new "regulations" on vendors? Two complaints and you're on probation - a third and you're O U T.

So many good vendors can operate for years and there's never ONE complaint... And that's as it should be. Otherwise it's only a matter of time before a member gets whacked. Driverz is a classic example.

I think the forums should be open and transparent.. if a customer has a complaint, they should be allowed to air it and the vendor should be allowed to respond and NO one else allowed to 'pile on' or give their .02.

That way buyers can have both sides of the story and be allowed to make up their own mind, without having the forum owner and mods trying to play sherlock holmes and police men.

Because as I suspected, it looks like Jon stole a bunch of money from people and gave them the runaround. If those deals were made public, Jon would have had to address them out in the open. You can only have so many complaints before people will stop trusting you and your reputation will actually reveal itself instead of being a myth.

i unfortunately think that some people are afraid to air their complaints about some of the well known vendors. theres no way that the guys on the left are perfect every time. what matters is they are perfect most of the time. with 3 strikes and youre out, i think most on the right would be gone.

theres a LOT of editing going on ! i read something one day and half hour later they take pieces out... the bit about Jon could lose everything, his house, his car,:rofl: ect was a classic. Im getting plenty of Moderator support too..I think we should be able to say what we want unless its personel attacks between members.

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Originally Posted by usa-69z (Post 406720)

I asked that the personal attacks stop. Any other editing is on whomever decided to do that.

The problem with these threads has been presented time after time. In reality the individuals who have had experiences with Drivers Inc directly should be putting their feedback in the feedback forum, not here. I would much prefer that. The only reason the thread has not been locked is because we have so many members with issues, and I was hoping that Jon would fill us in. Doesn't look like that will be happening.

got a pm back from Jon:

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Over the past 6 years I've met and helped a lot of you with your wheels, and your cars, and have made some great friends along the way. It is with a very heavy heart that I have to type this and let you all know that Driverz Inc is now forced to close.
Unfortunately, due to a bad business deal between myself, and Travis, it left me and the company in a debt it could not bounce back from. There are many contributing factors to the bad deal, which are to remain between Travis and I, and any further litigation that may take place in the future. Discussing that in an open forum or a chat room is not something we can do, nor is it a good idea.
There has been some left field accusations regarding if Travis was even a real person. Yes, he is a real person, that's assanine to say the least. People even met him at RTTC this year, and have talked to him, and worked with him in the past. Not sure why I'm even responding to that, but I guess it had to be said.
There has also been some claims that Driverz Inc was not a legit corporation. Of course it was, it is registered with a Federal Tax ID 43-2111293 since 2006 when I started the business. As of earlier this year, the corporation that is registered with the California Secretary of State suspended the corporation because it owed its 700 dollar corporation fee to the State, along with a Corporate Minutes and Statement of Information. All of which were filled out, with the new owners name, and were to be filed. Driverz Inc is now CLOSED, and will no longer be doing any business.
There is also a claim that NewGen Wheels, LLC is not a legit business as well. In response, It was filed with Legal Zoom, in December of last year, and as of January has its own Federal Tax ID 45-4298410 If you login to the California Secretary of State website here: http://kepler.sos.ca.gov/cbs.aspx , you can see its been registered, and am now waiting on the Statement of Information office to document who the owners are, etc. (This office is 6 months behind, and you can see that here: http://www.sos.ca.gov/business/be/processing-times.htm)
Because of the open debts that I personally signed a guarantee for, for Travis, and because of the debt accrued over the past 4 months of bills not being paid, nobody at the helm, and because my name is what is left on the majority of the shop's bills as a personal guarantor, I have been forced to also file personal bankruptcy. So for all of the conspirators who think I have money hidden in my mattress, you are greatly mistaken. I'd want nothing more than to re-fi the house, or liquidate any personal assets to cover the debt owed by Driverz Inc, but I have nothing left fellas, over the years I've sold cars, re-financed cars, re-financed my parents house, borrowed from Dad's life insurance, sold anything I could to do what it took to at least make sure customers got what they ordered, but the debt on top of the open orders is whats now forcing me to do what I have to, which I wish I didn't. Over the past two weeks, we've had to move out of our shop, and make legal arrangements to first cover my family, and to make sure we were not saying anything we couldn't at the time, and to seek legal representation to help us through what is going to happen from here on in.
If anyone has not received their open orders that were paid to Driverz, Inc, you have the option of contacting your crediting agency. They are your legal protection, and can credit back your credit card after filing a dispute and some paperwork. That is your way of taking care of you. It may be a minor inconvenience, but it is there to help you. Many of you I've already called and said the exact same thing too. Some of you didn't want to listen, and I can't help that, and some of you said you were already doing so, regardless, some of you will at least note I tried to call you tell you what to do. To the super pissed guy who sent a certified letter to my Mom's house, its not going to change the facts at this time that is that Driverz Inc, and Jon Henson are broke. I suggest doing as what was stated a few sentences ago, and order your parts direct from the vendor.

It is to be very clear that NewGen Wheels, LLC is a completely separate entity and business entirely. I realize that moving forward it will only hurt because of it being connected to Driverz Inc, and myself, however, it is a separate entity that is still producing a product and its owners are doing what we can to keep it moving forward. It may take a LONG time for it to regain a good name, or any sort of trust in the market place, but we'll keep moving forward, even if its only for close customers and friends. All open NewGen orders, that were paid to NewGen Wheels, are being processed, although some have been delayed due to the fore mentioned. If you have any questions regarding NewGen Wheels, or your open order with NewGen Wheels, or if you paid Driverz Inc for NewGen Wheels, please contact me at 951-254-3039.
Phone calls and/or emails will be answered in as timely a fashion as possible, although a little slower due to the fore mentioned. I will not be on the forums for awhile after this, as I obviously must dedicate time to the matters at hand, so any PM's that go unanswered please pick up the phone, or send an email. Any responses to the above statement can be answered via phone or email as well.

For what its worth, my sincerest apologies for all those who are caught up in this horrible situation, and I wish that things did not work out this way. Its is unfortunate for all parties involved, well, almost all parties involved, and I hope that most of you take the time to look at this situation objectively and understand that their are a lot of contributing factors that went into this the final outcome. I'm not a member of all the forums people are posting on, nor am I aware of all the threads so I ask that those of you who can, please re-post. Thank you.

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Originally Posted by JustinB (Post 406642)

You should know I called you everyday for months.

Well, like I told Jon the last time we spoke. A "man" does what he says he is going to do and conducts himself with integrity. If you mess up you clean up your mess & don't blame everyone else for your mistakes. It sounds like he has been holding on by a string for awhile and in my opinion should have just closed his doors and not put guys like me through the ringer dealing with him!

I'm out 6 months w/o my car and about $1k, and he still acted like he did me a favor. So, to all the guys still supporting Jon, it simply means you never had a deal go sideways with him and deal with the incompetence.

Anyways, nice to see he's moving on with Newgen and leaving all this in the past????

Btw-My issue was a incorrectly done suspension install (paid for 6+ months ago) so I'm SOL, but if anyone needs additional info from me to pursue legal and/or criminal charges they are welcome to PM me regarding my situation. As I've kept all emails, text, invoices etc....from my dealings with Jon.

I dont see a lot of New Gen wheels selling after this,,,

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Originally Posted by John510 (Post 406726)

You should know I called you everyday for months.

ok. I remember your Fesler wheels about a year ago before I left so I will take that as a no, you do not have an open order and are piling on. Just trying to figure out who is legit and who is bored at work.

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Originally Posted by JustinB (Post 406748)

I haven't worked for 21 years....

:woot:

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 406757)

I haven't worked for 21 years....

:woot:

you're a lot smarter than most of us. :lol:

JustinB, Anyone who has been left hanging has been told you are sol. Just file a chargeback with your credit card company and hope for the best. Coming in here and saying I lost $XXXX.XX is adding to the thread how? This thread is more like a proverbial watercooler. We are all apart of the communities and forums where this vendor was and is currently conducting his sales. I don't see how members don't have the right to post their opinions on the matter. Call it what you will, piling on or just simply speaking their minds.

I've been following this as I was close to spending quite a bit of money with Jon on some forgelines and to loose that money and simply be told file a chargeback would just be ridiculous. It's not a matter of Jon not fulfilling orders. He has been proven to be lying about picking up orders and saying they've shipped then they haven't and on and on. All of this not just at the end of the company when he might not have had his finger on the pulse anymore but months prior.

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Originally Posted by raguemoe (Post 406738)

Well, like I told Jon the last time we spoke. A
Anyways, nice to see he's moving on with Newgen and leaving all this in the past????

Thank you, that's exactly what I was thinking reading through Jon's statement.

The best part of the whole thing was when he said if you bought anything from driverz charge it back. However if you bought newgen wheels through driverz then he is going to help you get the wheels? What in the world? He says he is going bankrupt and didn't pocket anybodies money. Last time I check when someone buys something from you they aren't just paying to keep your lights on, they are buying a tangible product.

It's just mind blowing Jon thinks he can continue to run a business in the community after scamming so many people for their money whether it was intentional or not. I'm glad to see newgen is no longer a sponsor on protouring.

Andrew I get and understand why people are upset. I am just trying to make it very clear that the people involved need to get the ball rolling and contact their cc companies and charge the purchase back. Yelling on the forums is not going to get your money back. There is no money to be had. I know. I almost put money up to cover the exsisting orders and buy the company a week ago. Driverz is dead and a lawsuit or judgement will just get buried in a Bk.

I personally went to my bank today to do the paperwork for my chargeback. I feel sorry for the people who are out of a thousand dollars plus. Again, mine was only $80. I have one last thing to say and I'm done. Rather Driverz, Inc or New Gen, it's funny how Driverz, Inc was sold months ago to Travis. But, when I called the number on the signature of the Driverz, Inc thread promoting the aluminum lug nuts, Jon answered the phone and took my order and my credit card statement says New Gen Wheels on 3-17-12. Hmmmm....!!

What scares me the most is the ripple effect. I hope people continue to buy products/materials from the small businesses of this hobby/lifestyle. Just because this business was poorly handled does not mean that all small businesses are like this particular one. I hope people continue to support the "GOOD" small businesses because that is what makes this country great.:thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by CornHusker4Life (Post 406842)

Thank You.:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by BDAZSVT (Post 406747)

I dont see a lot of New Gen wheels selling after this,,,

It definitely won't help, but don't be surprised if NewGen does well for awhile... people still fall for those Nigerian scams even. :unibrow:

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 406757)

I haven't worked for 21 years....

:woot:

Thats because know one will hire you...:D

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 406757)

I haven't worked for 21 years....

:woot:

See there Greg, now I know you are filthy, stupid rich.:beavis: :beavis:

Im curious about the million dollar question...

Where did the money go people paid ?

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Originally Posted by John510 (Post 406990)

Im curious about the million dollar question...

Where did the money go people paid ?

There money bought someone's else some wheels that were placed previously. Not to add fuel to this but it would be a pisser if I know that I bought parts for someone else and never got mine.

Stay with the proven big hitters, like Greg with stocks.

Man, my bank works fast. Filled out the paperwork for my charge back about 5pm yesterday and my money was back in my bank account today about 4pm. Now, that's what I call customer service.:clap: :clap:

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Originally Posted by 509Chevelle (Post 406995)

mine takes 6 weeks to investigate ! :wow: (downunder)

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Originally Posted by usa-69z (Post 407051)

mine takes 6 weeks to investigate ! :wow: (downunder)

Man, dealing with this from so far away has got to be super frustrating. I hope it all works out for you.