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GregWeld 02-04-2014 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Damn True (Post 534088)
Yeesh, what a $hit$show.

Glad I didn't have any money out to that guy.

That aside, I'm excited to see what Bowler & Legend are able to do with their partnership.




Yep --- Where there is a "void" --- someone will come along and fill it. By the time Shafti gets back in business.... all those "sold orders" will have been filled by someone else.

214Chevy 02-04-2014 07:15 PM

I got the same long, drawn out email too. :lostmarbles: :hitaxeonthehead:

GregWeld 02-04-2014 07:18 PM

Just to be sure ---- HE filed personal Chapter 11 back in 2009....





http://www.tneb.uscourts.gov/sites/d...08-34321_8.pdf

dstryr 02-04-2014 08:12 PM

What a ****ing crook....

As a machining business we have been on the hook twice when stuff like this happens... Then the company gets "bought" by a larger place (Assets only...not liabilities of course).

Vince@Meanstreets 02-04-2014 11:22 PM

So let me get this right....nope...can't even wrap my tiny brain around it.

fleet 02-05-2014 03:34 AM

That has a nice, Nigerian email flavor to it...

:bigun2:

captainofiron 02-05-2014 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by cosmo meantit (Post 534155)
That has a nice, Nigerian email flavor to it...

:bigun2:

Shafti might as well have said, hey you won the lottery overseas, send me money and I will send you your lottery check

lol

Vegas69 02-05-2014 07:32 AM

:beathorse Here's an idea, move on with your life! Clearly the whole driveline thing isn't working out.

Sieg 02-05-2014 07:38 AM

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PRIVATE STOCK OFFERING
As Shafi Keisler is raising this as a principle of the new company, this is a private offering. This offering is not governed by the securities laws for a Public Offering. With that being said, ANY INVESTMENT HAS RISK, AND ANY MONIES PLACED INTO THIS PRIVATE OFFERING MUST BE DESCRETIONARY SPENDING THAT WILL NOT MATERIALLY IMPACT ONE'S FINANCIAL CONDITION IF THE INVESTMENT FAILS.
I'm sure this helps him sleep better at night. :rolleyes:

GregWeld 02-05-2014 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Vegas69 (Post 534189)
:beathorse Here's an idea, move on with your life! Clearly the whole driveline thing isn't working out.



For certain guys -- they never do figure out that the issues they always run into are THEMSELVES... You know... the little things -- like spending too much -- or customer service -- or managing cash flow -- or actually what it takes to make a profit....


Just simple stuff really. Well... that is... unless you don't get it. LOL

GregWeld 02-05-2014 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Sieg (Post 534193)
I sure this helps him sleep better at night. :rolleyes:



Ah the old "disclaimer".....



Private placement investments -- are the most illiquid investments PERIOD. Thus the old 5% rule applies. In other words NEVER invest more than 5% of your investable funds in ANY ONE INVESTMENT... the reason for that is - anyone can "afford" to lose 5%.

What happens in many of these is that they hit up all their friends and family -- and people put in 25 and 50 grand.... most under 100 grand... and when it goes south -- it doesn't pay the investor to sue.

For instance... It cost me over 50 grand in attorney fees just to look over the paperwork and finances of a company that I invested in. So you have to have some funds to throw around just to see if there's anything to recover. In my case I brought suit against the companies Directors and Officers... and I was 250K in attorneys fees before the insurance company (who you're really suing - and they'll defend vigorously) settled. In my case what I really wanted was the fact that each D&O would have to disclose that they had been sued. So any other company thinking about them sitting on their board etc - would see that on their 'record' as they would have to disclose this info. They'd also have to disclose what they were sued for - and the outcome (THEY LOST). Yes -- sometimes I'm an awhole. Certain people DESERVE to have people like me bite their azz.


Sometimes failure is not the sole responsibility of the owner/operator. Sometimes there are simply outside factors that come into play. In this case - if you read his sob letter - he blames EVERYONE under the sun except himself or anything HE did -- such as investing in stuff that didn't pan out - or failure to manage overhead or failure to generate sufficient sales... or failure to maintain good customer service -- resulting in lost sales... He clearly blames COMPETITION. Well yeah -- the world is competitive. Eat or be eaten. My sense is there were MANY reasons for his failure.

RussMurco 02-05-2014 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 534208)
In my case what I really wanted was the fact that each D&O would have to disclose that they had been sued. So any other company thinking about them sitting on their board etc - would see that on their 'record' as they would have to disclose this info. They'd also have to disclose what they were sued for - and the outcome (THEY LOST). Yes -- sometimes I'm an awhole. Certain people DESERVE to have people like me bite their azz...

I'm grateful that there are people like you who can afford to do that, there are too many walls around the truth sometimes and that's what ends up biting investors and companies...

Fluid Power 02-05-2014 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by AUTODYNAMICS (Post 529795)
Use the McLeod piece

Please don't, those units are junk.

Flash68 02-05-2014 09:50 AM

I got the email blast as well. I sent a personal reply to Shafi. Here was his response:

"I will file your reply with the other replies from a**holes"

:lol:

I'll bet he's sent out a lot of those replies. :rolleyes:

captainofiron 02-05-2014 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 534238)
I got the email blast as well. I sent a personal reply to Shafi. Here was his response:

"I will file your reply with the other replies from a**holes"

:lol:

I'll bet he's sent out a lot of those replies. :rolleyes:

LOL

what is he expecting
:G-Dub:

medbali76 02-05-2014 10:30 AM

Do you guys have any idea of who can fill up the gap for service parts for the RS transmission family? Especially for the RS600
I know there a few guys here also with the RS tranny.

GregWeld 02-05-2014 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Flash68 (Post 534238)
I got the email blast as well. I sent a personal reply to Shafi. Here was his response:

"I will file your reply with the other replies from a**holes"

:lol:

I'll bet he's sent out a lot of those replies. :rolleyes:





The correct response from a clueless man. Everybody but him is an a hole. The world is wrong and only he is right.

fleet 02-05-2014 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 534259)
The correct response from a clueless man. Everybody but him is an a hole. The world is wrong and only he is right.

X 1,000,000.

He's not interested in his past customers' money he's blown through, just the new money that's out there that he KNOWS HE DESERVES ... to somehow, someway put in his pocket.

:bigun2:

GregWeld 02-05-2014 11:19 AM

Just to show how clueless he is -- he's looking for a "minimum" of $500K --- which will fill $467K of business and overhead costs.....


Pretty optimistic... and shows why he's broke. There's NO MARGIN in his business plan. Who could operate a business on 33 grand of capital. There's absolutely no room for any hiccups... He's going to have himself and one other guy - and "contract" employees.... and one guy on commission? Who's going to supply him with anything? Would you? If he just filed BK, and owed you a small fortune? Or would you tell him to # sand and ship the goods to a valuable reseller that actually pays their bills - and whose business just got better because there's one less competitor.

Reading his entire "prospectus" - which was NOT professionally constructed - tells it all... grasping at straws. I will say that reading the prospectus - as shoddy as it was/is - tells me he came out with NOTHING. Many guys that have personal money at least hire lawyers to construct a professional prospectus. My guess is he might still owe the lawyers... LOL

wiedemab 02-05-2014 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 534270)

Reading his entire "prospectus" - which was NOT professionally constructed - tells it all... grasping at straws.

My thoughts exactly Greg.

Vegas69 02-05-2014 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 534198)
For certain guys -- they never do figure out that the issues they always run into are THEMSELVES... You know... the little things -- like spending too much -- or customer service -- or managing cash flow -- or actually what it takes to make a profit....


Just simple stuff really. Well... that is... unless you don't get it. LOL

Couldn't agree more buddy....:thumbsup:

GregWeld 02-05-2014 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Vegas69 (Post 534363)
Couldn't agree more buddy....:thumbsup:



Is that a 9 second car?



LOL

glassman 02-05-2014 06:22 PM

Ahhh, one thing i love about reputation, you cant buy one, either good or bad, there earned!

SilverOverdrives 06-20-2014 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by RoadRace Elco (Post 529685)
BUMMER...so what about the guys that have there trans in there car! what if it needs rebuilding?:hairpullout:

Call us. SST now owns all of the KEI assets and we have full tear down/rebuild capability.

RS 500/600
TKO 500/600
SS700
T56 Magnum

SilverOverdrives 06-20-2014 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Efi69Cam (Post 529838)
I did not like the idea of being reliant on them and they acted like they had figured out cold fusion in terms of sharing information, so I redid the hydraulics on my transmission to use a GM bearing I can buy anywhere.

I still have the unused one from my kit, PM me if you're interested in a spare.

SST now offers the same hydraulic kits and service parts.

SilverOverdrives 06-20-2014 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by waynieZ (Post 531878)
I got the same E Mail from them. I'm better off then most of the others He only owes me a drive shaft and the correct T56 bell housing.
I hope some of this gets taken care of.

SST has special terms for KEI customers that never received their driveshaft. Please call and we'll be happy to assist.

To be clear, they are not free. KEI's liabilities were too great and we did not take those on.

GregWeld 06-20-2014 06:17 AM

Just let it be known you can change the "name" of ownership but it's still Shaffi Kiesler behind the curtain.

SilverOverdrives 06-20-2014 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 556771)
Just let it be known you can change the "name" of ownership but it's still Shaffi Kiesler behind the curtain.

Shafi has no connection to this business and if he did, I would not have returned to work for Mr. Silver.

I have posted a reply in another thread that addresses this very same misunderstanding: https://lateral-g.net/forums/show...hlight=keisler

GregWeld 06-20-2014 06:47 AM

Okay! Good to know Jeff. Because as you are no doubt aware Shafi was sending out copious emails and posts claiming to be back in business as usual. So on your word I wish you well!






Quote:

Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 556771)
Just let it be known you can change the "name" of ownership but it's still Shaffi Kiesler behind the curtain.


SSTCEO 06-20-2014 06:58 AM

Thank You Greg
 
Hi Greg,
Thank you for your response about Silver Sport Transmissions. As Jeff stated, we have NO relationships to Mr. Keisler in any manner.

We have the great technology, but a completely different business model.

I would be glad to discuss the formation and ownership of SST with anyone.
Sincerely,
Jack Silver
President/CEO

SilverOverdrives 06-20-2014 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 556778)
Okay! Good to know Jeff. Because as you are no doubt aware Shafi was sending out copious emails and posts claiming to be back in business as usual. So on your word I wish you well!

Thank you and we're off to a good start so far!

Yes, I'm aware of his hot air and I think everyone is wise enough at this point not to fall for it.


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