Not gonna lie, I had to Google “old people music” lol


It’ll be interesting to see the reactions to the car as it progresses on the other site, I’m willing to bet most will appreciate what’s been done. If not, no biggie.
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Haha nailed it!

I used to work with a guy that said they should have never built cars past 65 and no wheels bigger than 15's.... he drove a 66 Suburban panel truck with 16's. This greatly explained these types of crowds to me.

I bet half of them over there are still sportin bias ply's.:lol:

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:P

You should Greg just to show guys this is 2018 and car building has come a mighty long way since 1965 that many of them are still living in. Some of the funny comments are how the old X-frame is still better than Charley's new frame because the corners are square and not rounded like from the factory. :waveflag: We just talked about why we love Lat-g in another thread and how over bearing some of these other sites are.

Very true! I've stopped reading and contributing to several other sites due to the attitudes of certain members. Some are so negative and set in their ways they can't just enjoy another person's idea of perfection - even if it isn't what they would have done.

My attitude: if it is gasoline powered, has wheels or has something to do with things that are gasoline powered and have wheels I'll probably find something I like about it. :)

all the good songs have been sung, all of the good cars have been built. I like the way a boat rides don't you?...


can you imagine where this world would be if everyone were some of like the people on that forum

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Lateral G is the only car site I attend. There’s more pissbuckets and moped riders on other sites who are only there to criticize. The builds here are amazing along the lines of “when I grow up I want to be them”, but also the guy in his garage, scraping to get his ride done as best as he can...he gets cudos too. That, is what I appreciate most about Lateral-g.

Agreed Ummgawa. Honestly I feel the entire internet is going that way. Have you read any comments on a YouTube video lately? Seems like any creative sort who shares their work in the open gets a fair amount of hate mail for doing what they do from armchair coaches with years of experience in producing nothing but disappointments and failures.

Morning laugh from Charley:

"At 3500 rpm my engine makes 966 ft pounds of torque."

:headspin:

Charlie ‘nailed’ it.

:D

Now guys... obviously there are those on there that don't appreciate that people want the ride to move on while keeping the classic styling and if you read that thread you can pretty plainly see who has a general problem with that. The whole LS motor and oil pressure thing is something I've heard before just from putting a gerotor style oil pump from an L67 Series II 3800 on my classic 4.1L V6 from other Buick engine boards...

However the banter I'm seeing here isn't much better however. Some people don't want to advance the cars handling, part of the charm is the way it worked then and still does now. Don't feed the trolls and enjoy the folks that do like the build, or at least can appreciate it even if some of the choices are questionable to them (I don't particularly care for non-Buick engines and despite the power of the LS9, I'm bored of LS swaps in stuff from when there was a brand identity to engines). Lets not make this the billet vs. the rat rod antagonistic relationship and please keep the updates going on both sides (or I'll keep pushing stuff over).

(I don't particularly care for non-Buick engines and despite the power of the LS9, I'm bored of LS swaps in stuff from when there was a brand identity to engines). Lets not make this the billet vs. the rat rod antagonistic relationship and please keep the updates going on both sides (or I'll keep pushing stuff over).


3 posts in and this? This site is about upgraded suspensions, brakes, and LS (and other modern motor) swaps.

I agree Jim, we are all about modded cars on Lateral-G, not stock ones. Charley has both numbers matching and highly modified cars, and everything in-between. He actually has more stock numbers matching cars than he does pro-touring and modded cars. But this site was started for those who love the looks of the older muscle cars, but wanted the improvements that modern technology offers. In my opinion, the modded cars (done right) are FAR more fun to drive.I can appreciate the stock stuff too, but that's not where my passion lies.

Good Sir, I'll say what I please 3 posts in or 300, as I mentioned I came over here because I was interested in this build as it parrellels my own less radical one and I'm not going try and hold my opinion because of a low post count no more than I would expect a more seasoned member would be expected to do so. I'm hardly some semi-anonymous new person and have used this user name on many boards including Bangshift.com and Pro-Touring.com beyond the ROA board.

I think y'all are missing the point. You probably should go read what I actually have said on the ROA board and take what I wrote here in context. My point is that making fun of the way that guys that have a different direction on their building of a car and expecting them not to do the same is rather near sighted. Let those that want to enjoy congratulating the guy who found the last set of NOS battery terminal clamps do their thing. Ignore the trolls, that get on my nerves too by the way, and lets keep it respectful where we can. Other than the obviously bizarre LS oil pressure thing, I think Charley has been rather well received by the general populace over there who aren't the usual trolls who show up on my threads too or make snide references to me in others threads.

On to something a bit more personal in terms of why I'm here and what I think about Charley's build.
I have made no gross complaints about his choice on engine, I wouldn't have made it and I stand by what I said about my tastes and desires. It doesn't take an LS to make power though it's probably the most cost effective way currently going. I am about integrating modern technology and upgrading suspensions and am doing so on my numbers matching '64 Riviera. I wouldn't call a 256cid Buick Turbo6 with an L67 EFI system driving a 4L80E being all that obsessed with keeping things stock or classic. You can imagine how much flack I got/get for having a V6 in virtually all circles. I don't have Charley's resources so having been building this slowly over 14yrs which means that my once reasonably modern engine is now fading into a bit more obsolescence. Charley's is actually going to look more stock than mine most likely with the hood closed and I don't mind that at all. I've not the time (full time job, volunteer work, a family, and a car that I'm building) to have made a big post on my project so I'll link my Bangshift.com build on it and come back here sometime later with a local build page that cuts quite a bit of the evolutionary nature of the build thread out: Project Franken-Riviera -1964 Buick Riviera-

Well, good sir, 3 posts in or 300 posts in, and you come across as an arrogant condescending douchebag. We seem to have more respect for each other here than you dudes over on your site.

No explanation needed.

x 1000

Well.................this got off track. Any new pics Charley?

Please don't lump me in with another forum as a gross whole; I am an individual, not a forum or even a moderator of one. Also please do your research as to what I've said as an individual. With that I am done with any direct interaction on the subject. Good luck with trying to recover your father's 63 Riviera from the junkyard and that is not a condescending swipe, I genuinely mean it.

I heartily agree...

With the original seats sitting up on a hump in the floor that was unequal inside to out, are you going build riser mounts to get them to sit at the same height as original? Are you going to customize the foam under the covers to give a bit more lateral support? I find the stock seats a bit flat and slidey even with the original suspension.

CTX,

Commenting about mine, I, my preferences, etc. is not cool in another dudes build thread. That's for your thread. Tons of great guys and gals here, tons of knowledge, which they are always willing to help if you need it. Humility and respect is always the way.

It's a pretty simple concept: The only opinion that matters about this project is Charley's.

And Mrs. Charley’s...


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True that. :D

And where did I say that I was looking down on him for making it? I said my opinion as an example of we aren't all after the same thing but can appreciate a build. Like you point out if I ain't paying for it, I don't really get a vote on it. My point was on the forum members insulting each other over having a different opinion and both sides were guilty of that and I'd rather not get grouped in with behavior I'm conteously not trying to be part of. I meant no disrespect and until I hear Charley tell me he took it that way I'm at peace with my conduct.

Can we please drop this and get back to the car? I'm rather weary of being taken the wrong way on a subject where I was one of the few to come to Charley's defense in the Riviera world. Go tell me I'm wrong for a V6 in my own build thread: https://lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php?t=56282

That Charley...he’s a regular Eddie Haskell, always causing problems. :D

For the record, I’m pretty sure nobody cares what anyone is saying on another forum, especially the owner of the car. Let it go.
As long as he puts the right wheels on the car, everything is going to be ok.

So I went back and reread what I have said and I do need to offer an apology. When I was trying to make a point that there are people who like the car but make different choices with what they would have done I got a bit too personal and got wrapped up in defending myself so it does look like I'm being adversarial.

I think its fairly obvious Charley doesn't want to get wrapped up in this considering he's been on since this started and hasn't weighed in. Now back to the regularly scheduled programming.

There’s a few of us who’ve been here since the get-go. I mean since there were 8 of us.

GM styling sketches of the Riviera...
 

Cool sketch, those were ideas for the second gen '66 cars.

Yep, but the price was right.

They wanted cash for the 1st gen sketches.

:P

When I was a kid I used to make fun of people's choices on cars or stance or any other mods if I didn't like it or care for it. My dad said something to me at a car show when he heard me making comments that I will never forget.

He said "son, always remember, there's an ass for every seat. whether you like it or not doesn't matter because its not your ass in that seat. If you don't like it keep your mouth shut, have respect, and when you get the chance, then make it how you like it."

I still have my likes and dislikes but I have learned to respect what makes this industry go round and that is different styles and flavors no matter your tastes.

I used to walk around car shows with a buddy --- he was very unknowledgeable -- but during the course of time I had shown him what "I" look at -- glass smooth bodywork -- fit and finish -- door gaps -- wiring -- stance.... I took the time to discuss these things because he wanted to know and was planning to re-do his own hot rod.

Then -- he started to walk around to point out the CRAP he saw..... he'd walk clear across the lawn (or whatever) and make a beeline to something he saw that he thought was nasty. He asked me why I didn't go with him..... and I told him --- I'm not the judge of someone else's work - or budget - or talent - or taste.... and if I had nothing nice to say then what was the point etc. I went further to point out that when I'm looking around someone's car -- I'm trying to LEARN something from what they did.... not to question WHY they did what they did etc.

I think this is why I dread hanging out at car shows. You sit there in your chair and listen to the dumb s****T people have to say or "espouse" what they know about this or that.

I find when I'm just out cruising my own stuff --- I have a big smile on my face and I can't hear the dumb stuff.... and I'm happy. LOL

Not to get off track here........But what Greg said....As we get older and "Evolve" in respect to the car Hobby......Looking at the different cars built for different purposes from different people........The cars are a side show to spending time with the people and friends made thru the car Hobby.......That's what's really Important......When we started out anything that that made it to a Car show was a good thing.....The people are what's really important..........And........It's more fun to own a car you can drive .......than to "OWN" a car.........

Ken

So if I get rid of my cars I won’t have to spend any time with you guys ?:beavis:

No matter how we try to take the high road at car shows etc., their are still those times where we have to stop and say........what the???.......why????? LOL

You have some nice cars.... sometimes.





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Here's a picture from last years Goodguys Road Tour with the group showing respect to Charley.........LOL

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Just like factory, but better. :welder:

Ken Lingenfelter said this is probably the nicest Riv in existence...
 

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...but Charley’s will arguably be the baddest Riv in existence.