Funny after the Depression guys like Vanderbuilt,Rockerfeller,Carneige, and others brought the poor into the middle class.. They created Jobs to allow the poor to become middle class..

Did they reap obscene profits ? Sure they did, but without them the job creators, the poor wpould not have risen into the middle class..

Now ? Obama depends on his base of Poor voters...Trying to punish the rich is just political and not economics....It is to please his voters...In reality it won't pay the Debt...

So the middle will suffer the most, the poor will NOT be pulled up into the middle class, and the Rich will be the scapegoat but will still be rich...

That is my prediction for the next 4 years...And people will try to blame Bush, Fox news and the Right....Which is laughable at best.

P.S. I am not posting to change someone's mind..Even talking with friends with liberal views, I don't try to change their minds...Let them believe what they want. But when they try to say I am brainwashed by Fox, I wll call them on it everytime..I don't need to watch T.V or read the paper to know what is going on.

we just need tax reform. everyone should pay the same % and all should pay for healthcare. how ever we get there. eventually we should get there.

I have just as much of a problem with the obstructionist congress as the entitlement rich white house.:willy:

I agree -- FLAT TAX -- personal and corporate... ZERO deductions. But I'd index the flat tax by income - less for those earning less and more for high earners. Maybe a 10 - 15 - 25% deal or something.

I agree on the congress/white house comment as well. We need to toss them all out and have a do-over. :cheers:

MY first response in this thread. Agree 100%...

Romney and I are in complete agreement on just giving up on the 47%... Why bother? You're not going to convince me and I'm not going to convince you.

There's just not much conversation to be had when one's view is that the glass is empty and the other guys is that it's full.

There are some that throw direct insults at you if you don't have their same beliefs and thoughts. Rather than "whatever, thats not what I feel but I can agree to disagree and move on" they will imply you are an idiot and their dog is smarter than you are......
Quite typical. :rolleyes:

I agree with you...I know that I am not going to convince someone that my view is better...I don't really care to...Everyone is free to think and believe what they want....But when they try to tell me that I am a fool or that I must watch certain programs because of what I believe, it doesn't sit well with me.. And i won't let it just slide by unchecked.

I take care of MY economy and my Family..

Term limits would be nice....That way we could pump the septic tank of Politicians every few years..

Agreed. :cheers:

AMEN!



They've already done the math --- I've heard it repeated on several news shows (as in CNBC - Not Fox! Which I've never watched) - that if you taxed the "rich" 1% ONE HUNDRED PERCENT of their income - you still couldn't balance the budget..

Thus the SPENDING needs to be reeled in --- and the taxes need to go up as well... And I think almost anyone with half a brain can understand that math. The problem is -- Nobody that's getting "help" wants to help - and nobody that's paying wants to pay more unless they get some spending cuts. I totally get that.

It's POLITICS.... and I think the PEOPLE of the United States of America are sick and tired of BS politics. I know I am.

All I ask is that the 535 plus the POTUS -- start to actually work for ALL the People rather than playing to their special group.

Only the last 4 years have been a disaster?