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1969 Tornio
Rob
Never thought of that one My QuickTime may get the same Surgery Now the damn headers still hang way too low Might have to get a set made that tuck up Panteracer NorCal Bob |
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Nice slicing Rob. :thumbsup:
Reminds me of the Bass-O-Matic's slicing power. http://blog.silver-peak.com/wp-conte...omatic-new.jpg |
^^^^ Cosmo going old school :flag2:
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1969 Torino
So wondering about your dry sump
I help my buddy with his Can Am car and we heat the oil for 20 minutes before we start it. So you have a smaller tank Like the LS motors??? Not sure how it works with a street car?? Panteracer. NorCal Bob |
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My tank is a used Peterson ALMS unit, 4 gallon capacity. Here is one of GWs favorite blurry photos of it.:_paranoid http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...a/ALMStank.jpg On the dyno 12 quarts got the oil level where we wanted it. In the car the lines will be longer so I'm sure I'll be adding a quart or more. You can start it without pre heating. Warm up time with 12+ quarts of oil may be a little while. I'm going to run a C&R radiator with a heat exchanger for the oil. We'll see what the morning warm up time is like without pre heating. I will have a heat probe in the tank and will add an external heat band if needed. So as of now I don't know any more about the oil warm up than you.:lol: :cheers: |
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Hey Guys,
Rob & I already discussed this on the phone, but I figured I'd catch up the details for anyone following along. Quote:
Based on the front suspension travel I think you'll end up with, you will probably need around 70% front braking. The cool thing with adjustable bias in the pedals is you can fine tune the bias to perfection without giving up any total braking force. (Unlike a proportioning valve which reduces braking force). Changing from the planned 6-1 pedal ratio to 5.75-1 is a small change. Only a 4% reduction in fact. That does not dictate a MC change, as that would produce a much larger increase, of about 16%. As you can see from my calcs below, dropping 1 step on both M/Cs puts it over 4000# of braking force, which in my experience is too much braking force for a mid-to-high travel suspension strategy. I think you'll find 3562# is plenty of braking force. ------------------------------------------------------ On another note, I do these calcs based on 100# of leg force at the pedal. In the racing world, we "tune & adjust" braking to fit the driver all the time. 100# is just a starting baseline #. For smaller drivers ... I have raced cars with champion female drivers that weighed 100# and male drivers as young as 12 that weighed 72# ... I designed a brake package that decreased the amount of leg force required. We don't want the pedal to be too hard to push, or you wear the driver out over long races ... and you don't want it to be too easy to push ... making it too easy to lock up the brakes. In then end, it's all about tailoring it to the driver. For those of you who haven't met Rob, he's a big fella. So Rob, I'm thinking you pushing the brake pedal with 100# of force will be easy. I feel we need to be concerned that we don't make the brakes too easy for you to lock up. Let's start with what I originally outlined but with the 5.75-1 pedals ... making 3562# total braking at 100# of leg pressure ... and see how the braking characteristics fit you. We'll "tune & adjust" to your tastes after you and the car get up to speed. :cheers: |
1969 Torino
Rob,
I think if you only have 12-13 quarts with the heat exchanger you should be ok.. My pantera has 10 quarts and my water to oil cooler actually helps warm things up fairly quickly.. I was worried about it when I autocrossed it a few times as oil temp does not get that hot on your first runs.. but the gauge told me it works Panteracer Norcal Bob |
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1969 Torino
Sieg,
I agree.. I remember when all I had to remember was the + and the - for the coil.. now with all the plumbing, wiring, pumps,relays etc what a pain and I don't even have fuel injection.. don't get me started on that issue I miss simple Panteracer Norcal Bob |
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That was a totally sarcastic picture! I absolutely love what Ron is contributing to those who want to learn what it really takes to make a car work right.......and beyond just throwing money at the project. Tweaking stock pick up points and modifying stock parts can return similar performance in many cases and leave people :headscratch: Think Smokey Yunick :D Personally I really like that approach. Back in my desert racing days I remember getting beat by guy's that were on what appeared to be an identical bike to mine and wondering wtf!? That was before I really had an understanding (clue) of suspension set-up and valving modifications. I rode a fellow competitor's bike one day and a migraine inducing light came on......He's Cheating!.....oh wait there's no rule class against those mods. :sieg: |
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Reminds me of high school --- one guy puts a too big four barrel on his otherwise stock POS…
I'd tweak the curve on my distributor -- and cream 'em…. and they're then all talking about buying headers…. In the meantime their stock cam and too big four barrel didn't need it… HAHAHAHAHAHA Sometimes the guys on a "budget" do more with less and leave the high priced parts guys in the dust. |
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Yea low budget drag racer filling the bottom half of the blocks water passages with concrete to strengthen it. I wonder how much hp he was putting down for those 350 passes before it grenaded. At least it went out in style.:wow: :cheers: |
I push on the brake pedal --- if I need more brakes… I push harder or for longer… if I push too much they lock up.
That's a simple "leg bias" system I've developed. |
Back to work moving things down and back.
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i am crying elephant tears...:confused59:
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It will eventually be welded back in now that the motor and transmission has been moved back 7.5".:D I have the stock tunnel cross brace I drilled the spot welds out of and removed if you want one of those. Does it make more sense now, why, it temporarily came out? :cheers: |
I figured you had a reason to :superhack: the beautiful RS work :gitrdun:
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too much progress... slow down would ya? :sieg:
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Seriously... the work on the tunnel is looking good :thumbsup: |
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I thought you were running dual quads??
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It's like referring to the KPI, King Pin Inclination of your spindle when you don't have a Kingpin.:mock: You can still find reference to portions of a spindle as an axle :lmao: :lol: :lmao: http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...psd986f2d4.gif Quote:
I ran both setups on the dyno. My 701hp on E85 was made with a single 4150. Back to back on Gas the first weekend on the dyno we got close to 25hp more with the dual quad over a single Dominator and about 35hp more than the single 4150. I don't own, or have access to a pair to borrow, of properly set up dual E85 carbs so I don't know what the E85 single vs dual quad hp difference would be. I'm sure the duals would also make more hp on E85. The intake is just a better overall design. One day when the bleeding of $$ slows I'll build a matched set of E85s for the dual quad and it will go on the car. Just for the cool factor if nothing else. For now I'm just running my single 4150. :cheers: http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...ps1ec06523.jpg http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...ps7b22f07b.jpg |
Im asking Santa for new valve covers. What kind are those? Maybe I'll get lucky and he can deliver them with a motor attached.
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I thought we agreed no more pics of that scary gimp holding cell :eek:
Run the duals. You know you want to. :bigun2: |
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You must have been really nice this year if you think Santa is putting a whole motor under your tree. :lmao: The VCs are made by a buddy of Blairs. I think he is in North Carolina if I remember correctly. He makes them to order with breathers where you want them or with none like mine. He can also engrave whatever logo you want in them. They were more than the average VC but I'd have to look back to see how much. When I was first shopping for VCs I saw a few set of nice looking Sheet Metal style covers available. For a SBF they should be pretty easy to come by. If you want I'll ask Blair for his guys contact info and send it to you.:thumbsup: :cheers: |
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Of course I want to run the duals. Other than an EFI weenie who wouldn't:lostmarbles: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...psd332aee7.jpg |
That dyno room gives me goose bumps… and raises the hair on the back of my neck.
If I didn't know better -- I'd think you were 80+ years old… Dual Carbs? Really? Last time I adjusted a carb it was on a cement mixer. |
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And now for a quick time out from this build thread so I can :soapbox: :flag2: For those of you who don't appreciate what you have or why you have it; that is the generation that, as Tom Brokaw wrote in his 1998 book: "it is, I believe, the greatest generation any society has ever produced." "these men and women fought not for fame and recognition, but because it was the right thing to do." They took us out fo the depression and put our country at the pinnacle of the world in their time. If any of you get a chance hang out with an 80+ year old for an afternoon and learn something.:thumbsup: They will probably tell you how to rebuild this country:flag2: and maybe even how to tune a set of dual quads.:) I'm a big fan of hanging out with old geezers.:geezer: :topic: And now back to our regular programming.:action-smiley-027: GW It hurts when you refer to that Yellow Mustang as a "cement mixer". You know deep down inside you aren't an EFi weenie and love your carbs.:lmao: Remember every-time you get out of that Lotus EFI gokart and back into the Mustang you get goosebumps and the hair on your neck stand up when you mash the skinny pedal and hear the butterflies in the carb open. Now you know why you feel that way when you look at that picture.:action-smiley-027: :cheers: |
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Well I walked into that one didn't I… |
It's like arguing that the outhouse is superior to indoor plumbing.:lol:
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