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Originally Posted by toddshotrods (Post 424096)

If that was the same run, I don't get all the hubbub. It looked more embarrassing than dangerous. In the blurry cell video, and with the comments I read (first), I assumed he had cleared almost every cone on the course, and nearly went through the fence. In this video, it seemed pretty slow and jerky, like he spent almost as much time on the brakes as the loud pedal.

Am I missing something?

Edit - I'm not trying to be an azz or start something. I'm really curious because I will make my autocross debut eventually, and would hope for a better "review". :)

Is a bit of self control, restraint, composure, etc, more important than the absolute fastest time possible at events like this?

All driving events are about car control... smooth is fast/slow is fast... and there is a time penalty per cone moved etc. But IMHO it's also about having a bit of fun and once in awhile some entertainment... provided nobody is in harms way.

I remember a certain grey Mercedes being "drifted" and doing doughnuts after OUSCI one year. Everyone was talking about it - everyone enjoyed watching the guy go nuts - and we will all remember it. We're car guys... I don't think "management" was thrilled about it though. They - of course - have "responsibility". And they have to contain this kind of behavior because if they don't someone will get hurt and then they'll have a legal/moral issue.

Lord knows I've worked enough "events" -- and trust me -- if you're out there in the middle of the course - or on the sides as a "cone head"... these cars coming at you @ mach 9 is a bit nerve wracking. So I totally get some folks thinking that this is "unsafe or stupid or..."

If you knew Neal - you'd know that he was most likely just having a bit of fun. I don't know him well - but we've had dinner together (with Ironworks crew) and he has a wickedly quick wit... and I can see the devil in his eyes and the shizzle eating grin on his face as he was doing this.

BTW -- as you know -- sideways is not fast... so you can't have both. You're either real serious about your times -- or you can go out and enjoy yourself a bit.

Just so we don't have anymore cat fights - I'll take back the statement "sideways is not fast" -- in the hands of the RIGHT driver -- such as the drift champion (not Tanner Foust) they brought out at OUSCI one year - that crushed everyones times drifting the entire course... Not only was is kool to watch -- it was some amazing driving 'cause this guy was hauling azz and having fun too.

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 424099)

...or on the sides as a "cone head"...

:rofl:

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Originally Posted by GregWeld (Post 424099)

All driving events are about car control...

I get that. Even in drag racing (my usual forte), making safe passes is always the rule of the day, but balls-to-the-wall is still the way down the track (except maybe in bracket racing). I almost get the feeling sometimes that this is 8-9/10ths competition. No problem, if so, I'm just trying to learn the politics before I jump in. I can see how that can be possible at events like Goodguys, saving the all-out racing for serious events like OUSCI, etc?

I'm really asking because, as a drag racer, I have an 11/10ths mentality (even when being safe). I'm not so much about just having fun, as (safely) finding the limits. If that's "wrong" in these circumstances, I don't have a problem dialing it back.

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Originally Posted by SLO_Z28 (Post 424093)

I actually do run events from time to time. I prep all the cars, build the course, even change the tires half way though the day because they wear out, and will have 500-750 runs on the same 3 cars without a hitch. There is a difference between having fun and being stupid. At my venue if you go off course there really isn't anything to hit, and you have to pick up the cones you hit yourself so there's no one to piss off. There is a certain amount of respect needed when you're tossing around a $100,000 4500lb sedan at 1G.

If this isn't the pot calling the kettle black,,,, Go ahead and consult your buddy from McDonalds Douglus if you need clarification on what that means,,,,, sometimes its hard,,,,,to understand and such.... what you are saying.... and you have to wonder,,,,,, LOL ,,,,,, when you have no semblance of rational complete thoughts or correct punctuation.

I have never been to an autox event where you picked up your own cone's.That would be big waste of time.:willy: :willy:

Here are some pictures of Greg Heinrich's 8600 original miles 57 Chevrolet. It has carbon brakes and an LS9. It weighs 3800 lbs. Neil has the car super slammed right now but plans to raise it up to make it more user friendly on the public roads. Greg liked the handling and solidness of the ride that he ordered a frame for a 1970 Chevelle this weekend while in Columbus. Enjoy these pics
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...hoppics004.jpg
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http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...hoppics003.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...hoppics007.jpg
http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/t...hoppics006.jpg

That made the trip worthwhile then!

Darren

Hats a beautiful car! Roger is that original paint?

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Originally Posted by Al Moreno (Post 424198)

Hats a beautiful car! Roger is that original paint?

Yeap - but I teased Neil his paint and body skills were slipping.

I understand the need for a more user friendly ride height on public roads, but that stance is perfect now. Also one of the nastiest LS exhaust notes I've ever heard on a LS street motor. Almost sounds like a chambered setup. :cool:

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Originally Posted by compos mentis (Post 424208)

3'' Magnaflow's

Gorgeous. I really like that color. Only thing I don't like are the front wheels. Something needs to be done about them. Way too much offset. Can the body accommodate a wheel with less offset so there's actually a lip on the front too?

Glad you've got another happy customer Rodger.