Yeah, Bad Penny already amazes me, your gun collection will probably just make me jealous...

Dammit Steve now you are making me want a 1911.

I know this thread is extremely old but here is my .02 cents

Sig Sauer is the way to go IMO I have a P226 for work and a for a personal weapon at home. I have put over 3000 rounds through my personal wep and had one jam, and that was because i didnt clean it for over 1000 rounds.

My work gun is a whole different story i have put more rounds though it than i can possibly count. Close to a 1000 a week for 2-3 months a year, for the last 3 years. I wipe it down every day but only punch the barrel once a week and solvent clean it when i put it away at the end of the month. if you throw a 20 round Mag and no one is going to get through you.

We carry 9mm overseas and if it will stop a terrorist it will stop anyone who breaks into my house.

I also have the P239 it works on the same level as the 226 i would recommend a Sig to anyone looking to get a weapon for recreation or protection. .40 has a lot of stopping power and you have the luxury of more rounds than .45.

I have personally seen a 9mm round go through 3 2x4's and a 4x4 before flying off into infinity so any slug will rip through a house.

Again just my .02 cents

I like my Sig .45 but it jams everytime I go to the range. It's clean as a whistle. I should've sent it to Sig long ago to take a look at it. Any ideas?

heh heh ca legal too....





op's question....the cheapest one you can get your hands on.

For HD I like to use $150 throw away shot guns.

A 220 that jams? Yea, there's some sort of problem.. 220s are known for being work horses. Is is a FTE or FTF?

My 220 has never jammed. Sounds like you need to send it to Sig.. but they have great Customer Service.

I pales next to most peoples stuff.. but it's pretty good.. I've bought and sold over the years working up to having higher quality stuff.

.45 in CA makes sense since we are limited to 10 rounds.. might as well have 10 large ones.

What's funny is that I owned three .45s and none of them were 1911s.. so I just bought a Springfield TRP Operator.. should be interesting since I've been spoiled my my Sigs and HKs decocker.

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Can you describe the jam? is it a double feed? not ejecting? stove pipe? does it do it on just one mag or is constant? Ive seen them all several times.

most jams are caused by bad mags, or a bad lot of ammo.

I like to run my guns slightly fowled...I wipe down the barrel and blow the internals with the air gun. I only super clean it when i get the barrel gauged to see if it is shot out.

.45 ACP

HK USP .45 is the best .45 handgun out there IMO.
It's the closest variant of the HK Mark 23 Employed by US Navy SEALS
for many years before switching to the Sig P226.
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/h...HKMK23Mod0.jpg

Now if you want a .40 or .357 then the P226 is a good choice as well.
Employed by many agencies worldwide and Blackwater as well. \

As was stated, 9mm isn't recommended for home defense.

A maching nrs simple 1914 9mm Luger Parabelum wil do just fine!!!..

Have you tried different ammo? I know some companies only recommend to shoot certain types of ammo through their guns. But some guns just dont like certain ammo. Buy a few different kinds and go shooting to see if you can find any that dont jam or jam less then others and if none of them run smoothly then send it back to Sig.

The best handgun is the one that fits your hand the best, puts rounds on target for you the best and one you can handle under stress.

The other problem is that most people goto the range set up and target shoot, which is fine, but in order to get better at "protection", you MUST shoot under stressful conditions. Just by adding in an elevated heart rate will totally affect your abilitiy to hit what you are shooting at.

That seal looks like he means business.

With the wide range of ammo and round combinations, there is no reason a 9mm CANNOT be effective for home defense.

It's probably already been said, but a I'll take a well placed shot over caliber, anyday. If caliber was the main factor, heck we would all be buying DE .50 cals. That would at a minimum, make the intruder crap their pants while running out of the home.

It's also alreday been said but many misfires are from bad ammo.

It's a P220ST. It's jammed nearly everytime I've shot it. Normally it ejects the spent casing and loads the next shell but won't fire. What about the grain of the round? For target I normally shoot 180's but have 230's in the clip for home protection. Both clips are Sig Sauer clips. I know in my Semi Auto shotgun, low brass will cause an occassional jam.

What brand rounds are you using? Your home defense rounds should be a much lower grain (110-130) hollow point. I reccomend hydrashocks or Saber rounds. Your range rounds should be the higher 230 grain because if you were to use a 230 grain full metal jacket in a self defense situation your round will go through your intended target like a hot knife through butter and continue, possibly hitting things or people behind the target. Lower quality ammo will cause constant jams so I try to stay with either Remmington or Federal for both range and self defense rounds. I avoid Fiocchi like the plauge. I've had more of them stovepipe then fire and the problem is always the rounds never the firearm.

Damn, I dont even lock my front door!

LOL.....Bruce Willis acting in Tears of the Sun, but it was a better snapshot
then the others I found, so I used it. Same concept.

But I do agree with you.
The best handgun is one you can shoot accurately under duress.
Of course I also agree, shot placement is more crucial then caliber.
I think a .50 cal is obnoxious and useless. But that's my own .02

HOWEVER...a.bigger caliber is more forgiving when you don't hit your intended area.
(Which under duress, many aren't going to without proper time to balance out)
It compensates for that stress by blowing big holes whatever area you DO hit.

A .22lr isn't going to do much to a 300lb assailant coming at a woman if a woman misses their head or chest.
If she puts a .40 or .45 ANYWHERE in them.....they're going to notice it a hell of alot more. :D

Home defense. Hard to beat this one. Not bad as a personal defense/side arm either. Its a bit on the large size for concealed carry though.
I think its Winchester that produces special .410 magnum shotgun rounds for this gun. And if youve never shot a .454 casull, I suggest a
glove.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...-judge-magnum/

What's the best home defense weapon when you need one? The one you have with you....


I usually just use my wife as a shield.

Best home defense gun is a 12 gauge shotgun with shortest legal barrel (18") using bird shot. You dont have to aim, just point in general direction. Using bird shot will not go thru walls and wound or kill someone its not intended for.

Now for women who may not be able to handle a shotgun, a .357 revolver is best choice. Have her train with 38's and if you reload you ammunition, download the 38's to help her train on sight picture and smoothness of trigger squeeze, so not be worried about recoil of the weapon. Use .357 load for home protection, as she will never notice the recoil if it had to be used.

I did this for my mother and she has no problems now. Not scared about the kick/recoil and makes her and me feel better if there was a situation where she would have to use it to protect herself (God forbid it ever happens).

My wife did it the same way and now she shoots my glock .40, .45, her .357 revolver, my AR.

Shooting is a good way to spend time together,have load of fun while learning how to properly use a weapon safely and responsibly.

People need to remember that you have to consider penetration for home protection. You don't want to be Rambo. High velocity overpowered rounds will go through walls and floors too easily, killing your kids and neighbors. Also remember that the idea of actually needing more than 3-4 rounds is nonsense. Unless your home is a movie set. If you have heavily armed specops guys in body armor coming in, then it isn't home protection. It's witness protection.


.357 or .454 causill are poor choices for that reason. .45, 410ga, or .38 are excellent choices. If you're going to use a 9mm or .40, be sure to use frangible ammo or some lower velocity hollowoints. Everyone thinks they're Wyatt Earp but especially in high stress, most are not accurate shots.

Also, it's the combination of weapon, and ammo, that decides what each person can use. I used to agree with the previous poster. Not any more. When my wifes chief special needed replacement, I got her a Ruger SP101 in .357, intending to practice with .38 or +P rounds and then keep .357 in it. Bad move. First of all, it's a dumb idea. Practice with what you'll shoot at least a little. More important, the SP101 was very difficult to control. She switched to a 1911 in .45 and has been very happy ever since.

Don't worry about brands as long as the quality is good. I own Kimber, Colt, Les Baer, Ruger, S&W, Browning, Glock, and Walther handguns.

Tarus Judge is a good choice, as Greg notes "the one you have with you" the size of the Judge makes for convenient placement. The .410 round with 2, 4, or 6 shot improves the chance of a first round hit.

http://www.taurususa.com/gun-selecto...s=41&toggle=tr

As I think I said earlier. I love my Judge but it's for the truck only. For the home, there are a few options for me. 1911 (5") on the night stand, AR15 (16") under the bed. Soon to be a shotgun in the corner :)

I'd say for home protection, hard to beat a shotgun. The sound alone is a deterrent for thieves!

I keep mine handy, loaded with the personal defense .410 rounds

I keep the 1911 in the safe, too pretty to be laying out. I have the Mossberg 12ga under the bed for good measure:thumbsup:

I personally think you're all candy asses....


Go big or go home. :rofl: :rofl:



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you know it amazes me......... i can't think of anyone i know who even owns a hand gun. some that have hunting rifles
i have never even held a hand gun.

there are so many regs here if you want to even own one, from what i understand it has to have a trigger lock, and be disassembled if you want to transport it you need to have a permit everytime, and notify the police. just what i hear could be wrong, i guess it still doesn't stop the guy who is going to break into your house i suppose.

blows my mind how the majority of ppl in the US have them??? very different

It explains the murder rate in the lower 48.... too many idiots -- too many guns.

I own a couple -- my grandfathers Winchester saddle rifle .30/.30 -- and an antique shot gun that's so heavy you couldn't lift it and fire it... both have pad locks thru the trigger guards...and I have no idea where the keys are. They also in a small closet in a closet.

I just post on here to give the pro gun group some crap. :rofl:

OK, I'll bite................it's just not real convenient.
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Hey, all us rednecks are prepared for the Canadian invasion. If you guys get past the boy scouts.... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

When seconds count.............the cops are only minutes away. The illegal's rely on that statistical fact. :(

I'd be criminally neglegent to entrust the safety of my wife, children, and employees with local law enforcement based on statistical data in our region.

Don't worry. Your wife and kids can probably out run you....
:lol:

Glad I wasn't taking a drink of something just now! :thumbsup:

Yeah, all those homeowners with guns are what drives up the murder rate. Yup.

All I know is that a 1911 in my wifes hands prevented an attack in my home while I was at work. Nobody got shot. Nobody got hurt. Nothing but a broken front door jamb where they came in only to be confronted by the bore of a 45. Yup, homeowners with guns are a real bad thing. Just ask my wife.

The 357 magnum s&w performance center 686. auto can jam wheel guns don't. You must be able to practice in every situation. remember if you miss what you are shooting at the bullet can travel to the house next door. or another room in your house. you can use glaser rounds that penetrate and explode so if you miss te target it just makes a hole in the wall and does not travel further. always better to have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it. also get a big dog.

rich

Must be a B.C. thing, Step in to the Alberta it switches from the bongs to the guns....

OH and yes- need a trigger lock on any gun in storage at home and travelling any where, in a case that is locked at all times. Handguns- classified as a restricted registered weapon, can only be transported to and from home and the gun range, on the same route no altering that. Any semi-auto is in the same class. All gun magazines need to be 'blocked' to only hold five rounds. Disassembled -not to my knowledge, but I've ignored the rules since our infamously flawed long gun registration.

Blake if you lived in the States you'd for sure have a gun or ten, those MF's are crazy down there:willy:

.......and they have unregistered bongs loaded with medical marijuana. :goofy:

Don't you mean to invade us? You've got nothing we want... well, I guess we'd take some girls and muscle cars... but we can just buy that cheap.:captain:

I'm only posting because I can't help myself when I hear so much positive about the "theory" behind the Judge. It's easily at the bottom of my list.
http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot41.htm
More important to me, the price of both .410 and .45 colt far exceeds its performance. .410 through the Judge is a joke, regardless of load, especially slugs at less than 100gr. It was a stroke of marketing genius for sure though. If your goal is pain and suffering, .410 bird shot might just be the ticket, good luck with that in court. There was a good article recently in one gun rag or another about 5 cases where a firearm was justifiably used and 2 or 3 of the 5 didn't end well for the shooter. You might consider that while you're at it. If you're idea of home defense is to buy a gun and stick it in a safe that'll take more time to get into than you have to spare, then buy whatever you think looks cool, cause that's about all it's gonna be worth. Knowing your rights and knowing your gun are far and away more important than the round it fires.

I can't even count the number of errors and inaccurate comments made just on the first couple pages of " the box of truth". I have zero respect for that so called "expert". I don't own a judge, never held one much less fired one. Don't own either a .45 long colt nor a .410, so no personal bias here. Just a total lack of agreement on so many comments that "author" made that I had to post.