Dude. Looking soooo good. :bow:

Very nice Matt, it must feel really good doing this one yourself :cheers:

Love it Matt!!! With that new DSE front set up that FORD motor will look awesome in there.....:_paranoid

Rick, I'm getting to the point where it is starting to become more rewarding. I'm no longer having to spend endless amounts of time thinking about how to do things, and my work is starting to look much more presentable. By the time I'm done I might actually be good at this type of stuff. :_paranoid

Mario, I made that hood scoop with the intention that I could stuff a Boss 302 mod motor under there. According to the numbers DSE gave me, I should have 3/8" of clearance. Of course, If I put an LS in it, the scoop would mostly just be for show...

Matt

Looks good Matt! I vote for a LS ENGINE!!! Do it! I dare you!! You know I would do it.. :D :unibrow: :D

NEON wired to the tach lead!!!! :unibrow:

Really Cris, you would do something like that???

Sieg, that is not nearly elaborate enough for Mustang guys. They (does that include me?) go big or go home when it comes to this kind of stuff.

http://forums.themustangsource.com/f...-craft-511583/

Matt pay NO attention to this man!!! He is very confused!!:willy:

Wait till you see the Miata that I just did a LS conversion on!! :unibrow: :D :unibrow:

Yea Matt some people have no boundaries.:rolleyes: He's just lucky that type of activity is legal in this state. It shouldn't be :rofl:

Looks good Matt. Props to trying things on your own. :thumbsup:

Great project Matt. :cool:

Lookin' forward to seeing Coyote(not)Ugly under that modded hood and hearing some EXCEPTIONAL sounds from a late model motor. :P

[QUOTE=Matt.A;419833]As for the rear, maybe Maier Racing? It might sound stupid, but when I pick parts for a car, I want parts that fit the rest of the level of the car I'm trying to build. In this case, I need something that works well, but also looks cool. I don't really care if the suspension looks really cool when I'm driving it, but I do if I'm trying to sell it eventually.QUOTE]


There is a reason that Mike shows up to every auto-x with his suspension on his car and wins... The guy is a 5 time national auto-x champion and a suspension genius. The only thing Maier Racing is lacking is the funding to pay for a really good marketing person to get the word out on how good his stuff works.

Skip, I like that phrase, Coyote (not) Ugly. Might have to use that in the future.

Chetly, there is no doubt that Mike's car and suspension turns in some impressive times. He is one he'll of a driver, which is not to say that I'm discounting the ability of his products. I've got his rear suspension in boxes all stacked up next to the DSE front clip. I've got faith in the fact that this little car should be quick when sorted out, even with me driving ;) .

Matt

That is a damn tasty combo. Well done. :unibrow:

I even told Rob this makes me fancy a Mustang. Oh the horror.

You've been subjected to subliminal conditioning ever since you picked up BMF. It isn't a big stretch to believe you would start liking Mustangs one day.

Those Mustangs are the gateway drug, next thing you'll be building a Torino.:unibrow:

Then a Falcon...

(Or a Falcon Ranchero pool table.)

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k1...Counting-1.jpg

Good to hear, He's constantly trying new things and evolving his stuff. I cant tell you how many rockers we went through on that rear suspension before he got it where it felt good. You'll like it, Im sure. I know Vaugn Gitten does. More people need to run his stuff.

So how about an FE in this thing? :unibrow:

(been hanging around the Robster too much lately)

I could, but I'm looking for something that will make as much power as my 454 LS7. :_paranoid

I've been looking at some Ford pushrod crate motors because of their compact size, allowing me to tuck and set the engine back, but by the time I get through pricing out fuel injection, aluminum blocks, and 600-650hp capability they seem to get expensive. It also sounds stupid, but I'd like to get decent gas mileage out of it when cruising around town. I keep coming back to the Coyote mod motor with a magna charger because it is probably the only new blower that will fit under the hood. That setup probably weighs 25lbs more than a blown LS. With a big tire up front I'm not too worried about weight distribution. My 3800lb gt500 handles pretty well with 57 percent weight up front.

If any Ford guys have recommendations, please chime in! Links would be even better. I don't know much about Windsors or Clevors or FEs, etc.

Matt

I would go Coyote too.

Here's a little FE history as far as them in the '65 cars, built for the F/X class aka 'Factory experimental'.

Ford had 11 (IIRC) 427 SOHC '65 Mustangs built by Holman-Moody.
Here's a famous one.

It took a long time for it to happen, but for the guys that want to spend some serious $$$ they can get a new 427+cid Cammer with blocks and heads from more than just one source now. :cool:

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k1...08-72920_2.jpg

How did I miss this thread? This car is looking awesome Matt, love all the mods and direction your going with whatever powerplant you choose. :thumbsup:

Matt,

I haven't looked into what's going on with the mods to a Ford SOHC Raptor 6.2L motor like in the vid, but I would if I do a '65-'68 Stang.

I like more cubes and keeping it n/a.

If you want to do something different under the hood as well, a stepped on 6.2L would qualify IMO. :D

Holy cow you have an english wheel but not a shrinker ?
They're only $100-200. Slitting and bending that hood scoop ugh, the standard little Eastwood shrinker would have curved that thing up nicely.
I might have already asked this on a thread on the other site so maybe you are the same guy but what english wheel do you have ?

Not a huge fan of the cantilevered rear shock setup. You are not gaining anything in terms of motion ratio as you already have > 1:1 with the normal live axle mounting scheme. I guess theoretically you could alter the motion ratio curve but I don't see much advantage to that, meanwhile you've increased unsprung weight a tad, added complexity and new failure/maintenance points, and you have noise action in the back of your cockpit with access to the outside. It does look super trick though. Not a put down on Maier at all, just saying I don't think that particular system makes a ton of sense.

if you don't want to do a Windsor I say go Coyote. These thing seem to be making more power every day and take to FI really well. I don't see any way in heck it will be cheaper than a Windsor though. A lot more work to get it fitted as well depending on how your front end ends up after the DSE stuff.
Please don't go LS even though its a logical choice and I've been tempted as well (the huge advantage of either of those motors is at the desired power level they will be much smoother and OEM than a Windsor, although not everyone with a hot rod wants "smooth")

Preston, we have a shrinker at the shop, but it is only a little one. It works fine for most shrinking and stretching of sheet metal for patch panels, etc. I practiced with a piece of 20ga to get the hang of things and it worked ok. However, I elected to work with 18ga because I figured it wouldn't pe as prone to warping when I welded it all together.

Skip, you've got me looking in another direction now. Initial findings say I would be stuck with and iron block. Hmm...

Now I'm waiting to see what Rob has to say...

The thing I always think about on these engine swap Ford projects are "ARE YOU REALLY SELLING YOUR SELF SHORT NOT JUST USING THE LS ENGINE"?

They do everything better and there lighter and smaller and cheaper. So your will to pay more money and probably put in more effort just to keep the badge on the grille matching the VIN on the engine. You know if Ford would put some engineering time in like Chevrolet did it would be a no brainer.

The only down fall of an LS engine in a Ford is that it is a crossbred. But for a performance car is that bad. No one will care whats under the hood when you smoke their ass at a stop light.

Just Saying......

Awesome build thread.

I really like the body mods. Nicely done.

My choice of engines, would be either the 460 block, which is pretty easy to make up to 1000hp fairly economically.

Or more likely leaning towards the Coyote 5.0

And here's a Coyote suggestion for you; 7.02 -1/4



Love the sound of that...

Put a Ford engine in it if you want any resale at all. I'm not a fan of the transgender personally.

My .02 is -- it's way cheaper to stick a LS motor in it....


It's way cooler to have a Ford in a Ford.... but it's a big azz waste of funds that could be spent on other areas of the car.


There's a LS motored Ford that was built out of a shop at the Sonoma Raceway.... and I don't care what you do -- or say -- ya can't catch the guy!
The only comments I heard all weekend was WOW!

Ping Charley -- he'll know the shop --- I'm too stupid to remember it.

Is a small block Ford with EZ EFI or similar really the end of the world? I happen to know one of the best small block Ford builders around.:unibrow: I'd go with the one at the bottom of this page just to send Starsky and Cole home with their tail between their legs. http://pettisperformance.com/?page_id=5

FOUND THE LINK


THIS CAR IS BAD AZZZZZZZ.........



http://www.cortexracing.com/projects...ject-xecution/

That is the main reason I want to put a Ford motor in it.

And to all you LS engine guys, yes, they are good engines, but I'm not just going to drop in an LS because I can. Im not sure i will gain that much, as opposed to a Ford motor. To build one up to the power I want also means it will either sound lumpy and idle at 1000rpm or have a blower on it, which will negate any weight savings. the more power you want, the more trade offs you have to make. I would do an n/a Boss 302 mod motor, but I don't want a torque less screamer that needs 4.56 gears. I will admit LS engines dominate their naturally aspirated Ford rivals, but the mod motors respond well to boost and can retain stock driveability. The other thing I have learned is that the closer I can get to oem, the less reliability issues I will likely have, hence I am leaning towards purchasing as much as I can from Ford Racing.

Who knows, next week I might just change my mind and decide I want to build a Ford equivalent of Badmotorfinger. I would, of course have Chevy stripes on it. :lol:

If you want a fantastic "new" Mustang --- take a look at Jack Maurer's new build... It already has a Ford motor - it goes like stink - looks fantastic - is full of carbon fiber parts (painted) has big fat tires (slicks) - has passenger seat - and it's CHEAP and for sale....

Charley knows how to get in touch with him. If I didn't already have enough cars - I'd buy it in half a second.

Buy a cheap dedicated "race car" and leave the GT 500 be your grocery store car.

Argg, you aren't helping me. In fact you're all helping to turn me into the next Ron Myers. That engine is badass. Those red and blue fittings just send it over the top in being the right amount of wrong for me. So much for oem driveability in Socal traffic. Perhaps a chat with Pettis will be in order...

Greg that car is crazy fast from what I have heard from others. I won't be as fast as him, so I think I should focus on looking better when the hood is up. :lol:

I'm with you Matt in regards to factory parts and reliability. I'd focus more on weight reduction and less on high hp. It all comes down to power to weight ratio regardless. I know we talked briefly but what is the real focus for this car?

I was definitely kidding about that rowdy engine but he could build you a very reliable pump gas stroker.

I just missed him at cars and coffee in Irvine a couple weeks ago, I think. He just finished a '69 Camaro, no? I heard that was also a nice car.

I don't quite want new car feel throughout, or fast new race car. To answer Todd's question, as cliched as it has become around here, I want something more Stielow-esque in terms of drivability. And before anyone says it, yes if that is what I'm after, an LS and plenty of driving lessons are probably the solution, but I did say, "similar," not the same.

It said my message was too short so added this so you could see what I really said... :lol:

You know which engine I would pick..

Hope you wake up early tomorrow morning.. We are Auto-Xing! This time we have a Mustang vs Mustang on the time clock!:D :unibrow: :D