The man has a point. :lol:

Can't argue with that either. :bang:

But in my case that has more to do with ineptitude. :lol:

Absolutely! :guns:

I'm like a charcoal brick with this whole deal. I like to talk about it but the work...:relax: I'm sure my itch to throw my money down the drain and make a mess out of my shop will intrique me again, eventually. :lol:

Until then, I'll just be the cynical asshole I've always been giving you guys hell.:D

Been doing a lot of research for my T-56 Magnum install. Seems like you don't really know what's going to work until you actually get the parts and try installing them. Dale from Texas on his build thread just ran into this. Another perfect and kinda funny example is here. Watch the time frame of 0:39 to 0:54 on the following video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quukwCTMGUI

Typical marketing stuff right? Now fast-forward in that video and watch the time frame of 2:44 to 3:45. And then later in the Part II video clip, they had to build a custom crossmember also.

That right there is a perfect example of our pro-touring build challenges. The marketing and claims don't always hold up in the garage.

For my build, I'm confident I have all the correct components with the exception of the hydraulic throwout bearing. I think I'll buy 3 different ones(GM LS, GM ZR-1, and RAM) and use the one that fits and return the other 2.

Chris, will you take over the build on my car? :D

Buy 3 .. use the one that works... return the other 2. Brilliant. :thumbsup:

That video really hit home... Lol.

Even the experts have issues making things fit.

I finally did find the right combination of parts to mate up a T56 Magnum, ZR-1 Twin disc clutch, GM ZR-1 hydraulic throwout bearing, and Quicktime LS steel bell housing to fit my 69 Camaro with a Gen IV LS engine. D&D Performance makes a machined aluminum spacer 0.980" thick that goes between the T56 trans and the QT bell. With the spacer the ZR-1 throwout bearing fits, and the input shaft on the trans slips into the pilot bearing about 3/4". D&D had the part on the shelf so this must be a common issue.

I don't know if these numbers will help you to figure which throwout bearing to use for you set up... but here are the dimensions I ended up with. The total depth of the bell and spacer on my set up is now 6.53", the ZR-1 clutch is about 4.13" thick (from the back of engine to the fingers on the clutch). With these dimensions the ZR-1 hydraulic throwout bearing works. For the pilot bearing I used the stock LS pilot bearing that presses into the larger bore on the end of the crank.

Goodluck with your install :thumbsup:

Killer motor and car Chris! Im another BBC(491 cubes) Camaro guy but on a much smaller budget! Motor is out right now and swapping from solid roller to hyd roller.

Thanks! Yep, I hope all this stuff works when it goes in! It's a pile of friggin money.

It will work, at least 98 percent of it should, :lol: . It looks like you've got a good engine builder and some quality parts. Here's to hoping you don't have any major issues. Just my opinion, but if you have a choice, use one of the GM throwout bearings. They always seem to work better than the leaky aftermarket ones, well except the brand new one that didn't work for me and cost us a trip to SEMA.

Well, was hoping to have the engine in and getting close to firing her up, but the shortblock is still at the engine builder. No issues, just some delays due to his cat having health issues a few weeks ago, then some higher priority tasks last week, and now a pulled muscle this week. He gave me an original completion date for this shortblock build of mid February, late February for sure. We're not behind schedule by too much, so not a big deal at this point. He said today it should be ready by Thursday morning, so we'll see. I sure hope so.

Got everything ready to plug that mutha in. Hooked up the fuel system and Holley HP ECU and harness to the completed manifold/throttle body setup(including injectors and all sensors) and everything checks out good now with no leaks and all sensors initialized and working. Customized the bulky harness a bit to remove some unnecessary hookups and get the various lengths just how I wanted them. I did have to fix an issue with the Edelbrock fuel rails not being tapped deep enough for the pipe fittings to make a good seal, and one of the 45 degree Aeroquip PTFE fitting just flat out leaked, but those are now solved. Fuel system now runs solid at 52PSI so I'm happy to clear that hurdle. I upgraded the Holley software and ECU firmware to v2.0 and loaded the initial configuration into the ECU from my laptop. That's all squared away now and ready to fire up and start 'learning'. The fuel system and wiring for an EFI system is actually quite a bit of work, especially if you're trying to hide sh_t and make it look as clean as possible. Tucked the coil up under the dash and have the ECU mounted just above the vent on the passenger's kick panel. Also filled some small holes on the firewall and re-sprayed a few areas to clean it up.

So the engine bay and parts on my workbench are hungry for a friggin' shortblock. :thumbsup:

Have some free time on my hands while I'm waiting so took a few pics of what I was describing in my previous post:

EFI Manifold setup and tested. Waiting to be installed:

http://www.69camaroproject.com/Share...FIManifold.JPG

Meziere water neck adapter made installing the extra fan and EFI coolant sensors a snap:

http://www.69camaroproject.com/Share...antSensors.JPG

46lb Magneti Injectors are the short/pico style which helps lower the fuel rails and allow my drop-down air filter base to fit just like it did on my carb and permit a 14x3" filter under my cowl hood with a little room to spare. I went with the smaller injectors(50lb was calculated to be 'ideal' for my setup and the next step up for pico injectors is 60lb) and will just run a slightly higher fuel pressure(52lbs). The smaller injectors should make idle tuning a little easier, but they're still large enough that they won't be overworked.

http://www.69camaroproject.com/Share.../Injectors.JPG

ECU mounted here: Getting all the wiring coming out of that thing routed and hidden is a pain. I ran the USB cable into the glove box so it can be easily accessed anytime to hookup to the laptop:

http://www.69camaroproject.com/Share...s/v2.0/ECU.JPG

Heard that the Speedtech T56 crossmember tends to flex across this center plate that has a lot of metal cut out of it to save weight. Just to be safe, I welded in a brace across that section to keep it from flexing there. This has been test fitted to the transmission and up on the frame mounts and it should plug right in when the time is right:

http://www.69camaroproject.com/Share...ansXmember.JPG

Installed a set of testing springs on the cylinder head so I can jump right into piston-to-valve clearance, push rod measurement, and valve train geometry checking as soon as the short block arrives:

http://www.69camaroproject.com/Share...linderHead.JPG

Magnum setup is already on the jack and ready to plug in. Will measure run-out on the bellhousing first and get proper offset dowels if needed before installation into the car:

http://www.69camaroproject.com/Share...agnumSetup.JPG

The badass Centerforce DYAD clutch waiting for its shot at delivering the torque from the new ZL:

http://www.69camaroproject.com/Share...2.0/Clutch.JPG

Lots of pretty parts just waiting to get jiggy with it.

Mmmm....parts! :trophy-1302:

Great update Chris. Can't wait till you get your shortblock and start installing. It won't be long now! :cheers:

Very Nice! :drool:

Yeah - what Ron said x2. Very nice looking collection of parts. Should be a beast when done. Hope it comes together soon.

"The fuel system and wiring for an EFI system is actually quite a bit of work, especially if you're trying to hide sh_t and make it look as clean as possible."

That sh*t needs to be on a PT bumper sticker someplace!

G.

:dance:

Seriously, Clark?

Surely, you can't be serious...... I am...and don't call me Shirley.

Todd getting ready to post to defend his boy in 3..... 2...... 1..... :D



Chris, you are an organized and detailed MoFo my friend. :thumbsup:

LOL. No defense necessary yet. The reasons for the delay are interesting for sure, but this is only a slight delay, so whatever. If I'm picking up my short block at the end of this week, it's all good.

The sick cat was original :lol:

Looking good... nice job on all the prep.

Can't wait to see it come together.

:cheers:

Hey, some people love cats. :lostmarbles: I know a couple guys that have had their engines at a machine shop a little longer than Chris too. :idea: :lol: :lol:

Whether the excuses are legitimate or not, I hope his work proves to be as reliable for Chris, as it did for me.

Parts are looking juicy, there, sir!:popcorn2:

I give Pettis credit for the cat excuse. :lol:

Yeah I agree -- quality cannot be rushed (within reason). I am sure it will be dead nuts when done. At least that makes the waiting go a little better.

X2 on the cat excuse. :thumbsup:

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k1...psb2aeb147.jpg

Don't let me near your garage or that T56 will disappear. :D

Hope the cat pulls through :rolleyes: I can't wait to see how she runs.

DG you should be talking about how cool it would be to actually putting your shortblock together at the end of this week :lmao:

Yep, that's my position on it also. It doesn't help that I have everything ready to go on my side and I'm waiting(for more than a year to drive my car again). Makes me a bit 'antsy'. If it were a situation where I had plenty of other things to work on in the mean time, it'd be easier to just roll with it.

Any day now hopefully.

It's on wheels and I'm up on a little hill so you can just ride that mutha right on out. :lol:

You got dat right! :thumbsup:

Thanks Dale. Much appreciated. And thanks again for sharing your Magnum install details. Those have helped a lot. I "think" I'm ready.

Thanks guys. Much appreciated. :thumbsup:

I have a condition. :lol:

Hey Chris, I know both of us are doing the Magnum conversion and both using the GM ZR1 hydraulic throwout bearing… so I thought I would pass along the latest info I found out on the plumbing for the bearing. I was not able to get a fitting that plugged into the GM quick disconnect. I bought two different lines and neither one fit. Mcleod said they could make me one but it would take several weeks…

So I ended up pulling out the transmission and throwout bearing out… and I had a local hydraulic tubing vendor cut off the GM quick disconnect fitting (the black plastic piece) and silver solder on a 4 AN fitting. Now I can just use standard AN fittings.


http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/...psc55bc9b9.jpg


Throwout bearing with AN fitting ready to go back in

http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/...ps8c714db9.jpg



I see you got the new transmission jack... that makes the job a lot easier.

:thumbsup:

Cool, thanks for that update Dale. Hopefully will be tackling all that next week. Yep, the jack is gonna make things so much easier. I like how you can easily adjust/set the angle.

Chris, the project is moving along. Those parts look great. Can't wait to hear that thing fire up. Congrats on the progress. That Holley ECU is tucked very nice, like most of your other work on the car, it looks perfect! Great work...

Anxiously waiting on this engine build :). Gonna be killer.

Hopefully your buddies aren't as hard on you as mine are on me about not going LSx like the rest of the world. They just can't fathom why I'd want to spend the money on a big block. They just don't "get it" I guess :D .

Did you pick up that short block? :D

I gotta say... you are really good at managing YOUR task reminders for OTHER PEOPLE'S stuff. :lol:

I was just planning my trip to pick up my motor and remembered another big block was coming to life. :thumbsup: Even if it's the wrong brand. :rolleyes: Plus I gave up on yours ever running. :action-smiley-027:

Yep, picked up my shortblock on Friday. Jason did a fantastic job. Extremely detail oriented and his experience with Todd's block allowed him to know exactly what to do with mine with no surprises. I was thrashing away in the garage this weekend to take some measurements, test fit some plumbing connections, and order some parts. Will have a long post with lots of photos this week or weekend. Will be installing the motor probably Wednesday and the transmission right behind it on Thursday or Friday. Then it will take a few weeks to get everything hooked up, driveshaft shortened, 2 primaries on my driver's side header to be re-worked for more clearance around the steering box, shifter and center console plate setup, Concept One serpentine system and accessories, power steering lines, PCV/breather/oil separater system, and other minor stuff. I'm not going to rush because this is the part that I'm 'supposed' to enjoy. :thumbsup:

I find that I only enjoy taking my time and having "fun" on projects after I've rushed through them once and get to do them a second time. :lol:

You will definitely enjoy it when it holds together because you took your time and built it right!

Matt

Best part of this hobby is what I call the "hunting and the gathering"... Seems like when they're all done -- we're looking for something else to do/change/improve. :thumbsup:

Hah, I'm ready to be finished and start driving. I'm actually a little burned out on the hunting and gathering. I probably spent 2 hours of research & purchasing for every 1 hour of work in the garage. Version 2.0 has kicked my ass in that department(I'll exclude the part number and cost columns):

:G-Dub: :G-Dub: :G-Dub:

Interior and Exterior Misc -
RideTech Tiger cage + harness bar
Seat Belts - 4 point 3"/2" harness, camlock, bolt-in, black
Seat belt fasteners
Cage foam and custom interior pieces
Cage paint
Oil temp Gauge, Autometer, Carbon 2 1/16"
GM ZL Badges
489 Engine CID Badges
Front Stainless Tow hook w/ black tow sticker
Rear Tow hook
Lighten trunk panels
Billet upper Hood latch

Engine - 489ci all aluminum
Short-block Assembly and the following parts to be supplied by Pettis
--Pistons + Rings
--Cam Bearings
--Rod Bearings
--Main Bearings & Rear main seal
--Windage Tray and mounts
--Timing Chain Set - Cloyes double roller, billet, key adjustable, Gen VI
--Billet pointer
--Oil pump shaft
--Oil pump stud
--Valley screen kit
--Oil filter adapter
GM ZL1 Block - new version of block from GM
ARP Engine Bolt Kit
Callies Compstar Crank - 4.250 stroke, internal balance, 2-piece seal, 2.2" rod jour
Callies H-beam Rods - 6.385 inch length, H-beam, ARP 2000 fasteners included
Cam - Gen VI step-nose custom grind, billet steel core with cast gear
Gen VI Cam retention plate and screws - GM parts
Timing Chain cover - Milodon 1-piece aluminum, Gen IV
Timing Chain cover seal and gaskets - Mr. Gasket
Lifters - Comp Cams Hyd Roller, .300 taller version, tie bar, S series
Harmonic Balancer/Dampener - ATI (internal balance)
Harmonic Balance Bolt - ARP
Road Racing Oil Pan - Milodon
Dipstick - Milodon flex stainless
Oil pump pickup - Milodon
Oil Pump - Melling High Volume
Oil Pump shaft - ARP
Oil Pan gasket - Mr. Gasket one piece
Fuel pump block-off plate
Brodix Race Rite BB-O, oval port, 119cc, assembled, CNC option
Pushrods - Magnum, one-piece, 3/8", .080 wall thickness, 7.750" / 8.700", retro-fit
Spark plugs - Champion RN12YC
Spark wires and looms - Vertical Wire Looms, Thermo-Sleeve
Valvoline 10W-30 16qts break-in and first 500 miles
Oil Filter
O-ring to 10AN fitting for Accumulator line + Cap
1/8 NPT extension fitting for oil pressure sender
Water pump stainless fittings + manifold stainless fitting
Plugs for water ports on cylinder heads
Short 45 degree bend hose to connect manifold to water pump
Cold air induction system
Concept 1 Serpentine Pulley system, PS pump included, clear annodized, shipping
Air Oil Separator, Moroso, 3/8 barb, (TBD)
PCV Driver's side 6AN black hose and nickel fittings (TBD after engine installed)
12 AN Russell nickel fitting for hose to breather tank, passender side,
3 ft of 12 AN Earl's Pro-lite hose for passenger side valve cover to breather, black
90 Degree fitting for passenger side valve cover, nickel plated, Russell
ARP Head Bolts
Head Gaskets - Fel-pro
Magnum Big Block rocker arms
Valve Covers - GM Performance Aluminum raised letters, gmpartsdirect.com
Valve cover gaskets - Fel-pro blue reusable
Breather tank for passenger side valve cover, mounting bracket, 12AN
Bulkhead fitting(Russell), passenger's side
PCV Valve - Push-in with 6 AN fitting, Earl's, Driver's side
Moroso Baffled grommets
EFI Distributor - gmpartsdirect - comes with melanized gear
Ignition adapter for computer controller dizzy
Coil to Distributor 2-pin harness, www.iboats.com
Ignition coil - Mallory Promaster e Series Ignition Coils
Motor Mounts - Energy Suspension "tall and narrow" poly/zinc/black
Aluminum 90 degree water neck - clear anodized - swivel CSR
Stainless thermostat
Alternator - Powermaster 140 amp

Fuel Injection Setup - Edelbrock/Holley hybrid
Holley HP EFI ECU and wiring harnesses
Fuel pressure regulator, Aeromotive
AN O-ring fittings for regulator, Aeromotive
AN O-ring plug for return inlet on regulator
Fuel pressure gauge for Regulator, Aeromotive
Coupler, female to female, staight, 6AN black, attach regulator to fuel rail
(4) 6 AN to 3/8 NPT fittings for fuel rails - Aeroquip
Edelbrock Victor Jr EFI Intake 454-O
Intake Gaskets - Fel-Pro
Edelbrock 1000 CFM Throttle Body with Delphi IAC
Fuel rails - Edelbrock
Fuel Injectors - Magneti Marelli 46lb Fuel Injectors Pico Short
Fuel rail stands for Edelbrock manifold and PICO injectors
Hose end, 120 degree for driver's side fuel rail, aluminum, 6AN, black, Aeroquip
Hose end, 150 degree for passenger side fuel rail, aluminum, 6AN, black, Aeroquip
Wire clamps
Wire wrap to hide individual injector wires at fuel rails, Black, Painless, .125", 20ft
Electrical connectors, wires, shrink wrap, tape

Exhaust -
Driver's side header re-work
Stainless clamps for wrap
O2 Sensor bung plug
Header wrap
New Header Gaskets, Hedman

Steering, Cooling, Inner Fenders -
Lee P/S finned reservoir, bung mounts, AN fittings, tax, ship
Power steering hoses
Anvil Carbon/Fiberglass inner fenders (blem)
Electric Fan Controller - Flex-a-lite
NPT-style water temp sending unit(to replace radiator probe style)
Thermostat housing/spacer to install NPT sending units into
Extra wiring, toggle switches
AutoRad Radiator, Cooling fans, Core Support, Cap, Shipping
Powder coating(satin black) for AutoRad Core support and brackets

Fuel System - rear of car to front(excludes EFI lines and fittings at engine)
New 2012 Aermotive Stealth fuel tank with pump
(4) 6 AN to Straight-cut O-ring fittings for tank and vent can hookup
Fuel Pump relay kit
Fuel filter, 10 microns, black
Fuel filter clamps and AN fittings
Fuel Vent Canister/Filter
PTFE Braided Teflon Fuel line & Reusable Super Gem Fittings for rear
SwageLoc stainless 3/8" hardline to 6AN fittings (2)
Hose end, staight, PTFE, Earls, 6AN black, attach return line to hardline(swageloc)
PTFE Hose, teflon, static dissipating, Earl's Speed-flex, 6AN, 20 feet
Coupler, male to male, 6AN, black, Earls
Hose end, 90 degree, PTFE, Earls
Coupler, Female to Female, 90 degree, 6AN, Earls, black
Hose End, 45 degree, PTFE, Aeroquip, return line hookup in rear
Hose ends, 45 degree, PTFE, Earls, to connect PTFE fuel line to rails and rear

Wheels and Tires -
Front: 18x9, 6.375" BS - My Budniks rehooped
Front Tires - Direzza ZII - 265/35-18
My front tires sold
Mounting and balancing

Brakes -
Wilwood 14", 6 piston, FNSL6R, black, front brake kit, zinc rotors($75)
Wilwood flex brake line kit
Bearing Grease, Stainless Safety Wire, new 1/2" lugs and locks
Front Brake Lines
Brake fluid - ATE Super Racing Blue

Transmission, Clutch, Driveshaft -
Tremec LS T-56 Magnum - Summit (includes $112 freight+handling charge)
Quicktime Bellhousing
Block to bellhousing Dowels - Moroso 1.5" long
Centerforce DYAD Dual-disc clutch/flywheel, 168 tooth, 26 spline, 2 piece rear seal
--0 balance(internal balance engine), 10.5" clutch
Transmission mount(TH400/T56)
Crossmember - ATS/Speedtech T56 1st gen (price includes $37 shipping)
Clutch Master Cylinder and mounting hardware
Pedal Assembly and hardware
Modo Pedal Covers for manual setup
Transmission jack
Heat shield for TO bearing supply line, Thermo-tec, 3ft, 5/8"x1"
Pilot Bearing -ACDELCO
Yoke - 31 spline, 1350 series
Custom 3/8" Aluminum spacer plate between trans and bell
Offset Dowels to center bellhousing
Change GM quick disconnect to Russell 4AN fitting on slave
Hydraulic Line from slave to MC, 4AN, Female ends, Earl 24"
Hydraulic Throwout Bearing, GM LS1 F-body, 2nd Day Air
Remote Bleeder line, 2nd Day Air
Shifter stick and ball for Tremec shifter, Hurst
4 AN couplers to connect hose to MC
Fluid for transmission
DOT 4 fluid for hydraulics
Driveshaft shortened/lengthened

Rear Differential -
Moser 12-bolt Complete Rear end assembly
33 spline TrueTrac, 3.42 gears
narrowed 3/4" on each end to resolve wheel spacing problem
Big Torino style housing endings to eliminate C-clips
1/2" wheel studs, 2 3/4" axle offset for Baer kit,
Torino style caliper mounting brackets - CNC - from Baer
Stainless mounting hardware for brake brackets
New, shorter stainess axle brake line for driver's side
Diff Fluid 80/90, 4 quart jug

Rear Suspension -
Lowering Blocks
Rear Shocks - AFCO Double Adjustable + Grade 8 Fasteners(Ace Hardware)
GlobalWest Del-a-lum leaf spring bushing and shackle kit
Wheel Spacers(1/2" pass side, 3/8" drivers side), billet
Longer Wheel studs: 1/2" x 3"
Custom tow hook, passenger side

Front Suspension -
Hotchkis Lower A-arms, 1/2" ride height drop, Delrin
SpeedTech Upper A-arms high clearance
ProForged Tall Upper Ball joints
Front Shocks - AFCO Double Adjustable
New Stock Replacement Spindles

Misc -
Acetone, Gloss black paint
Underhood Black paint, Gloss + Satin Chassis Black paint
Stainless and Grade 8 Fasteners, Threadlocker
Spindle Castle nuts (4)
Cobalt Drill bits and grinding bits
Variouis metal plates and stock
Wiring clamps/mounts
Grinding discs and metal jig saw blades

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Yes you do :D

I read 10% of that before I saw how long it was...

Any recommended medications? Right now I'm drinking Goo Gone and it's not helping much.

Chris you must have cut and pasted a spreadsheet for sure. No way you typed that all out a 2nd time. Congrats on getting the shortblock back maybe our cars will be back together pretty close to the same time.