:rolleyes: Doug that sounds about right :lostmarbles:

I don't want to jinx Brent, so we'll just wait until after the weekend, and see how it goes.

Ok no estimates/targets... I didn't see the cam specs..... can you give us a rundown on all the key engine specs?

Bore x stroke
Cam specs
Carb size
Compression
Header size

:thumbsup:

Yea what he said:twak:

Yea cough up those specs :warning: and what's with the backpeddaling? :mock:

I'll see you over in the dyno shootout corral. :guns:

:cheers:

Oh man, you are going to use my own posts against me

:lol:

Shoot, I guess I have to man up

850 cfm quick fuel
10.5 -1 Pistons

4.250 stroke
4.270 bore

cam 110 LSA, .634/.634 hydro roller
Hand ported edelbrock heads, polished combustion chambers, exhaust ports, t&d (street)
port matched rpm manifold
Exhaust flowed decently on the bench
FPA tri-Y headers dyno test will be on bigger pipes

I did do a hp guestimate at work today, dunno how accurate it will be, I don't know the cam

Well there isn't a lot to work with for a guess. What were the head flow #s?

I'll use a Larry Meaux formula to hazard a guess. Based on your max cam lift .643 x .87 he says to look at the closes flow number so I round up to .600 lift flow #s of an ED head. Stock that is about 252 cfm. Barry R and some others advertise a street fluff (not a CNC port) flow number around 270 cfm. A lot of that flow improvement comes from the valve job so I'll give you 270.

Not knowing the real cam specs then Larry Meaux says 270* .257(a factor for a street strip style wet sump build) * 8 (number of cyls) I should have just doubled the flow # and sprinkled 15hp on there for good assembly I would have got the same #.

So I give you 555hp :sieg:

Based on the lift and 110 LS and from what I've seen on FEs with mild hydro rollers I say this peak will be around 5700 rpm.

I'm going to guess Brent used a lobe that was geared to some more torque production since you had such a focus on open road cruising and grocery go getter. So how about 595ft lbs of torque.

There sure is a lot of guess work:bang: going on here but that's what I got.:headscratch:

If he is using a good set of stepped dyno headers with some proper sized merge collectors he may give you another 10-15 hp and some more torque.

Tell Brent to get it on the dyno :gitrdun:

Did you give it a run on desktop dyno with some generic cam numbers and your actual head numbers? And what is your guess?

:cheers:

Your Ford brother up here is sure on fire... :computer:

Your engine build specs appear very similar to Todd's (Vegas69) first 496 stroker BBC.... and it was just under 600 hp at the crank.

I think Rob's hp number is low.... I am gonna go 580-590 and close to 600 ft lbs. But then again he does know Fords.... presumably.

Let's see if I am closer to the numbers.

Now let er rip... Ripped! :thumbsup:

You had a pretty sharp guess on the flow numbers, but I did not do any significant porting on the intakes, more port match and clean lumps and bumps and clean up the valve stem a little.

The exhaust got a lot more attention, but with small headers it was pointless to open them up to a big huge port, then squish them down into the FPA's

I think the unknown is the combustion chamber work. The valves were unshrouded and chamber polished. More than that, I did a little bit of arm chair studying on the "gas swirl" patterns of various heads and tried to use a little logic on how the air fuel mix enters the combustion chamber, and how the exhaust gets "squished" out.

Might not make a whole lot of difference, but maybe it will. Also exhaust at high velocity, intake, less.

Intake

.050 - 39
.100 - 65
.200 - 127
.300 - 185
.400 - 219
.500 - 250
.600 - 271
.700 - 272

Exhaust:

.050 - 36
.100 - 56
.200 - 103
.300 - 138
.400 - 166
.500 - 190
.600 - 202
.700 - 210

Kinda similar to the Barry R stage X heads,

So my (guess) calculation ended up being a little more conservative;

537.5115207
581.0599078


July 2 should be the last dyno day, if all goes well.

Hey, conservative numbers give you a great chance at being happy at the end of the day. :thumbsup:

Yeah, honestly I think 600 is at the high end of what's possible, with this combo, BUT that would be nice.

I think the other unknown, is Brent's tendency to be fussy on the details. I know that will help with the reliability and endurance of the engine, but I'd wager that will also help in the hp dept. just a little.

Right now I am counting down the days, before the car comes alive again ;)

Speaking of reliability since it was a topic of discussion on TrackJunkys thread you should add one of these to your shopping list.:thumbsup:

I think I remember you have a T pan which helps but if your new combo pulls enough Gs with that wet sump this can't hurt.

http://www.accusump.com/accusump_tech.html

A great idea, and I have one that's been sitting in my garage for 2+ years in the box, but had not figured out a place to put the tank, as it won't fit in the engine bay.

On the dyno front, Brent just sent me the numbers;

536 hp at 6000 and 583 lbft of torque at 3900

I'm a decent guesser, I guess

You and Rob were pretty close. I was not. :twak:

Either way it will be an absolute tire shredder for sure. :Tomcat:

Yeah, but I like your numbers better.

I had to be honest with Brent though. I wanted the big numbers, but I didn't want an engine that would stall when the a/c kicked in at a stoplight on a hot summer day.

I did one (40 mile) trip to the drag strip, in stop and go cross town traffic, in the heat, no wind, with the heat from the headers wafting into the open windows, with my not-so-happy wife sitting in the passenger seat :fire: :mad:

aaaand... that was the tipping point to get a/c

plus I like to super-cruise on the freeways, at a low rpm, hence the "milder" cam

Still; torque, 545 at 3200

Maybe I should have tried to fit 335's instead of 315's after all ;)

Make sure and find a spot for that Accusump before you go out romping on that new motor.

That motor should make a really nice street driver. Post a graph of that dyno run. It will make be more apparent to all why it will run hard with a conservative hp figure when they see the torque shelf.:thumbsup:



You did come up just short of besting the TP though:rolleyes: I hope you have a new idea for the emblems.:action-smiley-027:

When does the motor come home? Are you planning a clutch upgrade?

I forgot, what are you running for a differential? Locker? what gears?

:cheers:

Just sent along the information for shipping. Hoping it is sent SOON!
Realistically maybe mid next week, or towards the following weekend.

I can't wait. Had to order a drop base air cleaner, with the carb spacer Brent recommended, stock oval wont fit under the hood.

I have some custom welding to do, on the underside if the oval air cleaner base, in the future.

YES on Brent's recommendation the clutch was changed McLeod disc and PP

I am kicking myself, though, I went to the local speed shop for fuel line, and forgot t get a fuel filter :lostmarbles:

And a few other goodies coming still. Black MSD cap, Shorter 1 wire ford style alternator, different MSD starter (I think the original will be real tight - and it was tough to index)

Some offset dowels to index the bell.

Yeah, I like to supercruise on the HWY, but likely the 2.7 gears will go, even with the stump pulling low first gear.

I have a new set of 3.5's. Honestly I am thinking 3.0-3.2 will be right.

I have a little time to do that.

On the agenda, this week, is to weight the front end of the car, and check on the alignment and ride height. I didn't change the A arm settings but could have a very slightly different strut rod setting and ride height.

Set up the ride height and wheel alignment today.
It took a little bit of time. One side was way off, and the other, excatly what it should have been.

So all I have to do is set up the toe in. (right now after setting up the caster, camber, I have a toe out LOL)

Added a little weight in the engine bay, to simulate engine/trans.

With the new suspension, and springs it's all completely different, so a necessary step.

That way, when the engine comes, I should be ready to go.
I expect the aluminum engine to weigh a little less than my sample weight, but it's very easy to spin the springs down, if I need to.

Keeping my fingers crossed that everything shows up on time, and it all goes together easily.

Engine is home! :D

Whew it's been a looong night.

I was working on the billet bracket install and pulley alignment, pretty much the whole night. Nothing is ever a simple bolt in, but I was partially successful.

I have to work on the alternator now.

When I broke the motor last time, I had lost 2 fan belts as well, some time during the track event.

This time, I want the alignment to be perfect.

Time for bed now.

Cool. One step closer.:gitrdun:

Whose Alt bracket is that?

:cheers:

Congrats!

Love the motor... but I really dig the vintage fridge in the background. :D

The pulleys and brackets are from http://www.cvfracing.com/

I am pretty happy with them so far. Some fitment issues, with the head, block and intake manifold position.

Ha ha, thanks, yeah kinda going for the retro look in the man cave/ garage.

Free beer for help LOL (good Canadian beer!)

Cool updates Doug, hope you get it together soon!

Thanks Ryan.

Things are coming together much more slowly than anticipated.

She's fighting me. I spent a full night with the new pulleys, and I still have one more fan belt to size, and one adjustment sleeve to order.

Tonight was much more productive.
As anticipated the old mini starter would not fit with the aluminum block. The pre-ordering of the MSD starter was a good idea, and pretty much bolted right in. Plus the wiring location is better than the old starter.

So flywheel, clutch, pressure plate, t/o bearing, engine wiring, pressure and temp switches, sending units, rad hoses, water fittings, and mocked up the headers, for a look see.

I am bagged after two long nights, but am thinking, if I have a good night, I could get it all in the car and running tomorrow.

That's the goal.

Tomorrow is today Doug.

Where's the video of you firing it?

:cheers:

All the best laid plans ;)

Tonight the carb was fighting me. I was hoping to drop it down and use the cobra oval. All the work for not.

The flip side, is I ended up using the (higher torque) quick fuel 1" spacer, and the special ultra low drop base air cleaner, that I had the foresight to order.

That will get me started anyway.

Finally fitted an a/c fan belt that works. Plugs are wired, swapped out the red msd cap for a black one, fuel lines, & return springs are installed.

Seems like a lot of hours for not much in the way of results.

I have to extend the solenoid trigger wire, and it "should" be ready to drop in the hole.

Whew

14 hours of work and a big thank you to my wife for putting up with my determination to get her in and running.


Every step of the way was a battle. Considering that I've done this multiple times before, and that I had everything set up, it should have been easy, right?

Wrong!

From motor mounts, headers, spitting out all the needle bearings out of a u joint, to a nice fuel leak plus a multitude of things along the way, it was rough, and tiring.

BUT she fired right up.

I have to adjust the clutch. AND there are a few details to finish up.

Hoping to be road worthy tomorrow.

Great news Doug.:thumbsup:

I'm rooting for you to be driving tomorrow.:rockin:

Even in grocery getter trim she sounds dam good.:P

:cheers:

Thanks for your support.

It looked dicy this morning. I got the clutch adjusted, and then while driving it up the lane by my house it dies.

I couldn't get it to start, and there was a puddle of what looked like oil, under the car!:censored:

I was freaking out.

After going through the basic checklist, it turns out I over filled the power steering pump <whew>

And I had spark, so the carb was the next thing.

Rear float was badly out of adjustment, and was flooding the engine.

After an hour or two, of f-ing around, I got it working better.

I was out driving it today. It's a little rough, and honestly should have the carb set up to the car, and dizzy checked but it drove pretty good.

I nailed the alignment and ride height, even centered the steering wheel perfectly ;)

It's F-in LOUD!

I didn't realize when I test drove it yesterday I had the baffles in the exhaust completely closed! When I opened the exahust through the mufflers, holy S#!T! It sounds like... well, I'll put up another video soon. I might as well throw the stereo system in the garbage. Cars were literally trying to avoid being beside me at stop lights!

Anyway cheers and thanks for the support. More driving to do!

No... no video.

After the 2nd day of driving the car, and getting all the kinks out... this happened;




:censored: :censored: :censored: :censored: :censored:
The brand new edit - was not the MSD starter it was fine - and battery was fine except for the melted terminal /end edit



Lucky I had the foresight to check and disconnect all the VERY HOT smoking terminals before it caught fire.

Wondering if this bad luck is going to stop at some point?:bang:

Going to the gym now to release some frustration! :censored:

Doug ,sorry to here of your misfortune , your quick actions certainly saved your car . On my car I have a optima as well and I have fitted a 300 amp fuse which sits between the positive threaded post terminal and the cable lug . My brother who has a marine electrical business will not have any circuit not protected I will try and post a photo of it .

Doug ,the product is made by Blue Seas made in USA .
http://bluesea.com/productline/overview/379

Had a similar problem this weekend. My Alt lead grounded out against my alt and started frying my battery. Luckily the car was not running at the time and I could hear the battery sizzling in the trunk. Luckily I got it disconnected in time. In addition to a new battery Im now shopping for a couple kill switches for the car. One for the driver compartment and one for the outside of the trunk.

Thanks I'll check it out I already have some blue sea stuff on the car.

Yeah I want to put another kill switch on the car too.

Just to update. There was no issue with the starter, nor with the battery.

Rather it looks like loose connection from the cables to the terminal.

I have it pretty much fixed and running tonight.

I have had the same thing happen. Doesn't take much and they melt. Congrats on the new motor :thumbsup:

Thanks Ron

Did a bit of tuning. I have some more to do.

Got a new battery which was discharged, so didn't start the car.

Went to exchange that one, he says, "oh this is 3 years old" (on the shelf for 3+ years) and the next blue top he came out with was 5 years old.

So anyway, after a long night, I finally have a new battery that starts the car.

Jetting up didn't help, so tonight it's a power valve, to replace. The carb guy says it should work.

Keeping my fingers crossed.

;)

Sounds awesome Doug, sorry about the wiring issue. Hope to see it out next weekend :D

Hey Ryan

Wiring seems close. The radio is not working (blown fuse maybe) but I can't hear a thing when I'm driving anyways.

Maybe I should just take the radio out? ha ha ;)

Took it to the local hot rod night last night.

It draws a lot of attention, and now even more since the engine sounds so uncivilized.

Hope to cruise with you guys soon.

Cheers

Catch up, since Rob broke the forum database ;)

Tuning and jetting. Kind of getting closer now-this time running the exhaust in the less restrictive mode;



Lowereed the volume on my LOUD custom made turn signal beeper (cannot hear it over the engine) by adding a few more resistors.

Making a custom oil filter adaptor to clear the sway bar.

And my emblems are almost done.

They sit in the recess of the billet shock tower brackets.





I am hoping to get the a/c working this weekend. Stil super hot up here.

Sounds killer! :bigun2:

Thanks, and yeah it does sound nasty.
I didn't think it was possible for this car to get even more attention, but with this motor, she does.

Anyhow, I've been working my @ss off trying to get some of the kinks out.
AND yes the car has been fighting me every step of the way!:bang: ...still

FINALLY after hitting a real low point this morning, :drowninga: I made some real progress tonight.

Just a few of the issues;
-A melted alternator cable (don't ask)
-I turfed the brand new (brand name not mentioned) spark plug cables, because at least one insulator was split right apart on the distributor cap - which explains the frequent misfire. Reinstalled my good old MSD dizzy cables, which work great.
-Fixed the cobra oval air filter, which was interfering with the float adjustment on the back of the quckfuel carb, and then the lid, which wasn't going tight, due to another interference issue.
-Revamped the ground wires to the optima battery
and a myriad of other minor issues.

AND to cap it all off and celebrate a successful weekend, I decided the FRY the palm of my hand on a nice hot engine component. :rolleyes:

I'd like to be out cruising around tonight, to check things out further, but I'm not sure about holding the shifter, in the fried palm of my hand.

Maybe a beer in a chilled glass :cheers: and bad television, is in order, tonight.

and I hope I am finally over a hurdle here LOL