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Great post Jer!
Here's the CANNED response I received from my "mom in tennis shoes" aka Senator Murray... Note that (spare you reading it) she has immediately jumped straight to voting for an assault weapons ban. Fine. It just doesn't do anything except to make unknowing people feel good. Dear Mr. Weld: Thank you for writing me regarding the tragic shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut. It was good to hear from you. As a mother, grandmother, and former preschool teacher I was shocked by the tragedy that unfolded in Newtown. My thoughts and prayers go out to the families and loved ones of the victims whose loss is difficult to comprehend. Unfortunately, this horrific tragedy was another in a long line of gun violence episodes that have ranged from places like Columbine, Virginia Tech, and Aurora to coffee shops in Lakewood to the corner of South Byron Street and McClintock Ave South in Seattle. These episodes have plagued our cities, our schools, and our shared sense of security. This cannot go on. As a society we need to come together to begin a real conversation on all the factors contributing to those horrific instances of gun violence, but we also need to take specific action to bolster our current gun safety laws. There is no question that we can and should limit access to the assault style weapons of war that are on our streets and that are too often being used to kill innocent people indiscriminately. I have repeatedly voted for an assault weapons ban and will do so again as soon as we can get a bill to the Senate floor. But preventing tragedies like the one in Newtown will take more than just common-sense gun policies and enforcement. It will also take a renewed commitment to understanding and dealing with the root causes that lead isolated individuals to carry out these atrocities. At this moment, everything needs to be on the table for scrutiny. Our nation is at a crossroads moment, and we must take the path that protects future generations from re-living these gun violence tragedies over and over again. It will take the courage of people with opposing views but a common purpose sitting down with one another and agreeing that the status quo is unacceptable. Please be assured I will keep your views in mind as I work with my colleagues and please feel free to share with me your ideas on how to address this crisis. If you would like to know more about my work in the Senate, please feel free to sign up for my updates at http://murrav.senate.gov/updates. Thank you for contacting me, and please do not hesitate to contact me again. Sincerely, Patty Murray United States Senator |
Putting a ban on is not going to stop this stuff. The gunman killed himself. No crime for the gun because he's dead. Peolpe will find ways to get guns. Like drugs right, they are illegal but are everywhere.
It sucks bigtime, but these issues are way deeper than a piece of legislated paper. Mental health is very serious and common. |
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Stuart -- That's exactly my "position" on this whole sordid affair. I would like to NEVER hear about something like this again... but in fact... we all know that regardless of how many rules we design - we will. It's why I'd prefer to see guards of some type at the schools.
Here's something I did not know... about Mexico. The country with the strictest gun laws in the world, and the one nearest to us, Mexico. It is virtually impossible under law in Mexico to own a firearm and look how well gun control is working there. A look at what they changed in their constitution: By the 1960s, fear of the growing anti-government sentiment and the growing number of citizens arming themselves, prompted the government to modify Article 10 of the Constitution and to enact the Federal Law of Firearms and Explosives. And so begun a systematic disarmament of the population by limiting gun ownership to small-caliber handguns, heavily restricting the right to carry outside the home, and ending a cultural attachment to firearms by shutting down gun stores, outlawing the private sale of firearms, closing down public shooting facilities, and putting in control of the federal government all firearm-related matters. A look at their (Mexico) murder rate: 24 per 100,000 The U.S.A. murder rate: 4.2 per 100,000 Gotta love the government banning stuff!! Works like a charm every time. :thumbsup: |
Unfortunately, this horrific tragedy was another in a long line of gun violence episodes that have ranged from places like Columbine, Virginia Tech, and Aurora to coffee shops in Lakewood to the corner of South Byron Street and McClintock Ave South in Seattle.
Wow, thats all that she listed. Did she refer to Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona being shot in the head and her assistant killed? Im shocked. 300 million guns in the US and only 5 incedents are in her mind. I bet 2 weeks from now she would only list 3. Well I probably could not but its not my job to know the facts just remember it happened. but we also need to take specific action to bolster our current gun safety laws. Thank you....but in one ear out the other. Guns used were not stored properly, access and training was given to a metally ill person. We need to enforce the laws not make absurd new ones that just cost more money to produce. How much does it cost to draft a bill and get it rolling again? There is no question that we can and should limit access to the assault style weapons of war that are on our streets and that are too often being used to kill innocent people indiscriminately. I have repeatedly voted for an assault weapons ban and will do so again as soon as we can get a bill to the Senate floor. again, out one ear bounced around a bit then lodged in a crevasse. When will they learn, Ban threats sell more guns to people that can not control them properly and in turn potentially creates more gun violence. |
The Virginia Tech shooter killed 32 and injured 17 people...
All with just handguns.. A ban on assault weapons won't stop the violence if someone is determined to go crazy and kill people... |
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Do yourself a big favor - go back and actually read the thread - you'll see we've covered that ground already. |
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Parsons comment was uniformed.... since he didn't track the rest of the conversation/thread but just decided his calling out a post was somehow essential nonetheless. My Mexico inclusion was in response to the canned letter from Senator Murray -- that was trying to make a big point about how gun control was going to cure everything. If there was "nit picking" being done -- then it would be to pull out one post from the 169 replies. |
Here's a BRILLIANT strategy to control things..... it seems to be working well, huh??
http://i919.photobucket.com/albums/a...tos/file-6.jpg |
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The good people can't defend theirselves against the bad people, and unfortunately the bad people are tied into the police in a lot of cities. I was there two weeks ago and talk to people about every other week that actually live there... And NOT in a vacation spot, in REAL Mexico!! Heck, the day before I was there one of the family members got held up/robbed outside their front door to their house by 3 teenage thugs with guns (that are outlawed BTW)... The house I was at!! And 5 people were hanging from the bridge going into Saltillo, and actually that's not too uncommon. The only people that have guns are the police/federalies and the bad guys/cartel, which in a lot of instances are one in the same!
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More tinfoil hat stuff..... Interesting none the less!:_paranoid
http://www.sott.net/article/254873-Sand |
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You can't cherry pick mexico as an example of gun bans failing for the same reason you can't cherry pick Japan to show the opposite. It's just basic logic. Given our culture a gun ban isn't feasible nor likely to be effective, and some cities have demonstrated this. That doesn't mean you can't do some gun related legislation that might make a difference, some of which we've talked about. |
The best gun control this country could ever have is a legal system that in the eye's of the offenders actually punishes in a manner that they find undesirable. Until then we will continue to fund over-crowded overly expensive "correctional" institutions.
Singapore is my personal favorite model. |
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The old sentiment "when guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns" is really pretty correct. Law abiding citizens would turn in their guns dutifully following the law of the land... Outlaws would probably not, since they don't follow the laws to begin with. Totally human nature IMHO. |
Penn Jillette tells the truth on daytime TV
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A lot of people - given the circumstances - and sitting with those three -- would have just "padded" their comments and gone along with these three.
I'm listening to the NRA conference speech now... and I'm actually agreeing with him. He's saying "why are these killer games okay"? Why do we have armed guards at banks -- but not at schools. Our money is more important than our schools? I'm not an NRA guy - but the speech is good common sense. |
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In this case I felt their position while aggressive was appropriate and they put their money where the mouth is with a ready to implement plan that calls for immediate action. There is no doubt in my mind that their plan would have positive effects and our schools would become a less desirable target in the shooters planning process. IMO - You will never stop people from committing these atrocities but you can implement measures that will redirect them to other gun free zones or targets of low resistance. One has to wonder - if the media gave next to zero publicity to these shooters - how many would just end their internal battle by shooting themselves in seclusion? |
first off Jerry watches Wendy???? WTF.... LOL
Just one thing....as bad as it maybe 310 million guns in the US, 350 million people, 57% of the homes in the US are armed and only 11 incedents of mass killings in the US since 1965. I'd like to see the total death count. By their logic if gun kill people then we are in trouble. They have some catching up to do. |
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Definately some games are all about gore, death, shooting mindlessly. They actually check IDs to buy these games, but 8-10 year old kids are still playing them because their parents allow it. P-A-R-E-N-T-S. Kids are spending more hours in front of the video babysitter (at home, in front of their parents) than they are in school. It's the game's fault? We need to outlaw the GAME? The school shooter was old enough to purchase whatever video game he wanted and was old enough to decide how much time to spend in front of it. The last time I checked, there are no video games about assaults on schools. There are no FPS (first person shooters) games that I have seen against non-combatants period. In fact, the few that I've played myself would fail, deduct, penalize, whatever if you involved a non-combatant. The shooter targeted innocent children specifically. He wanted the least resistance with the most emotional damage. This was not learned from any game. Lots of blame for inanimate objects. A particular game, a certain gun, not enough rules, laws. This evil was done by a man (a f'ing nutjob), not because he was autistic, not provoked by a video game or made easier by a particular weapon. There is no answer for it, there is no reason for it. Demanding something be done just out of frustration and fear is not the path. Jeff- |
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Craig Pusley stands guard in front of Hughson Elementary School on Wednesday, Dec. 19, 2012. (credit: CBS13) Filed under Breaking News, Local, News, Syndicated Local Related tags Hughson Elementary School, U.S. Marine Corps HUGHSON (CBS13) – The feel-good story of a former U.S. Marine standing guard outside a local elementary school doesn’t feel so good the day after. It turns out Craig Pusley isn’t in the U.S. Marine Corps Reserve, he didn’t serve overseas as he told CBS13 on Wednesday and he was discharged after less than a year with the second-lowest ranking in the Marines, private first class (E-2). Pusley, who stood guard in uniform but unarmed outside Hughson Elementary School on Wednesday, was stationed at the Marine Corps Recruit Depot in San Diego from July 2007 until April 2008, according to the Marines’ public affairs office. He was never deployed. “I’m in shock, that’s very bad,” said one mother. “This isn’t something to be playing around with; this is serious and it’s scary.” Pusley said Wednesday he was a sergeant in the Reserve after being on active duty in Afghanistan. He also claimed to be in the service for nearly 10 years, as well as serving two tours in Iraq. Some parents hope school administrators will think twice before letting a man in uniform on campus. “Check, just to make sure they are who they say they are, because anybody can do it, take advantage and something mad could happen,” the mother said. Pusley was back in front of the school on Thursday but in a coat and tie. He said Wednesday he was prompted to take action after the tragic school shooting last week in Newtown, Conn. He left mid-morning, however, as questions surfaced about his past. “I would take a bullet for any one of these kids whether I know them or not,” he told CBS 13 Wednesday. “If a gunman comes into this school, I’m not gonna kill him. I’m gonna drag him out of here. I’m gonna let the law take care of him.” The school’s principal, Laura Fong, wouldn’t comment on Thursday because she said she didn’t know all the facts regarding the controversy. But she said it was a “very heartwarming thing” when the former Marine showed up Wednesday and his presence made her and the staff feel safer. But once administrators learned he was lying about his service record, Pusley was kicked off campus. CBS13 tried reaching out to him, but was unsuccessful. |
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I had numerous longtime close friends with children at the school that day thus somewhat understand the reality and community impact of these events. It certainly doesn't feel like it took place over 14 years ago. My oldest son will be attending Thurston HS next year and my daughter 2 years later which makes me somewhat vested in solutions of effective protection. Since this event the local school districts have placed officers in the 7 local high schools. Demographically our metro area has approximately 175,000 people. 14 years later it has proven effective in what I would consider a region with a high ratio of firearms per household. |
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Good find Charley! Sad - because all the had to do was just show up and say he was there for the children. No need to lie about the background. Now his good deed turns him into a jackass (no slam on your Camaro BTW). |
To take a bigger picture view of what we're all really trying to wrap our heads around - pro or anti gun.... is that we would all probably agree that our schools are turning into targets. Now the question is - what can we do about it.
We all know there's many more nut jobs out there. They have access to guns - legally or illegally makes no difference to me. No laws scare them since they're suicidal nut jobs to begin with. We guard planes - we guard banks - we're already guarding some high schools - we guard athletes at stadiums... Why rile people up and pit one group against another with more ineffective laws that stop nothing (we already have that proof - it is, after all, against the law to murder people isn't it?)... Let's just put some safety in place - which can be done TOMORROW if we'd just say that's what we're going to do for now. Then we can all calm down - have a good discussion - not a knee jerk reactionary bunch of bans - and work toward a real lasting resolution. My sense is - even gun owners are not only appalled - but taken aback hearing how many guns are in circulation... I know I am. But I'm also a realist - knowing that just making another law that will only affect the "good guys" doesn't fix much. In fact - like some other nonsensical bills Congress has tried before (the boat tax - the fur tax etc) - will most likely result in more people being laid off. We forget history all too quickly. My guess is England would like to take back the tax on sugar, and liquor, and tax stamps in general - that was the beginning of the Revolution (obviously there was more to this but I'm making a big picture statement here). And the Civil war was in part fought (big picture here) because the North wanted to dictate to the South regarding slavery. We have larger problems brewing when one group starts to ride hurd over another group. This whole rich vs poor - democrats vs republicans - conservatives vs liberals... some of this stuff I think is really starting to resonate with people. That's when the nut jobs get going! |
Common sense doesn't prevail and in this instance you can already see that there is a divide and they are on opposite sides of the room and have their backs turned to each other. I think BOTH sides need to turn around and take a step towards each other.
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Sen. Frank R. Lautenberg, D-N.J., said he was stunned by LaPierre's (of the NRA) comments.
"It is beyond belief that following the Newtown tragedy, the National Rifle Association's leaders want to fill our communities with guns and arm more Americans," he said in a statement. "The NRA points the finger of blame everywhere and anywhere it can, but they cannot escape the devastating effects of their reckless comments and irresponsible lobbying tactics. The NRA leadership is wildly out of touch with its own members, responsible gun owners, and the American public who want to close dangerous loopholes and enact common-sense gun safety reform." Oh yeah -- that's why guns sales are probably UP three or four hundred percent SINCE the Newtown massacre. My guess is that people that never thought of owning a gun have been out buying them. We can say what we want -- but there's article after article about the meteoric RISE in guns sales. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing whether that's dumb or not -- I'm just laughing at the fact that so many responsible gun owners are upset with the NRA -- while they're busy feeling that way - they're standing in line at the gun store! |
I'm friends with the owners of the three most popular specialty gun shops in town, one is also the shooting range on I-5. They have been setting sales records the last three years mainly on personal defense weapons even with the new Cabela's store in town. The Cabela's store firearms department is moving an alarming number of handguns and assault weapons (black guns).
I also know the CEO of local department chain in the PNW that does not sell handguns just long guns but sells ammunition and reloading components for both and very competitive pricing has been experience supply issues for the last three years which he feels is due to hoarding and new gun owners. A gun is no good without ammo and vice versa.............one has a serial number and one doesn't. The gold mentality may be applicable to ammunition going forward.........those these situations typically neutralize in 6 months this time it may be different. |
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My guess is that 100's of thousands of guns have been sold just because of the ban talk. It's an absolute boon to gun shops/dealers. |
same thing happened during the first Obama election.
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